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2/21/2005 6:00:36 AM EDT
Submachine-guns vs. SBRs vs. shotguns, for close quarters. What would you perfer and why.
2/21/2005 6:08:54 AM EDT
[#1]
I'd take an MP5/10....maybe a UMP 45.

Very portable, good knock down power, high rate of controlable fire, ammo is easy to carry, semi/burst/full are nice options as well.
2/21/2005 6:38:37 AM EDT
[#2]
In a dream world, what M4 said.  Considering current options available to the budget restricted average guy, 18" or shorter barrelled shot gun.  All kinds of specifics could alter this, but for all around general purpose I don't see what could be better.
2/21/2005 7:05:15 AM EDT
[#3]
M4
2/21/2005 7:56:32 AM EDT
[#4]
Krinkov in 7.62x39, or a shotgun.
2/21/2005 8:03:50 AM EDT
[#5]
what i will take?

i got a CAR  16" AR15.
that is all i can have.

the cool toys are owned by the rich and the govt.
2/21/2005 8:11:54 AM EDT
[#6]
Weapons for CQB    

The one I have with me.  

Colt_SBR  
2/21/2005 8:33:30 AM EDT
[#7]
how close?

indoors or outdoors?

toss up b/w mp5sd, 12 ga, or m4
2/21/2005 11:05:13 AM EDT
[#8]
M4

ETA: if indoors only, 11.5" AR
2/21/2005 12:36:36 PM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
how close?

indoors or outdoors?

toss up b/w mp5sd, 12 ga, or m4

 

Within reach, inside or outside.  

Colt_SBR  
2/21/2005 1:07:12 PM EDT
[#10]
I would use an M4 loaded with 55g Ballistic Tip ammo.
2/21/2005 1:14:39 PM EDT
[#11]
FN P90 or Barrett M468
2/21/2005 1:51:34 PM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:
I would use an M4 loaded with 55g Ballistic Tip ammo.



I'm with ya brother, though I'm going a couple inches shorter.
2/21/2005 2:34:04 PM EDT
[#13]
Steyr AUG w/16" bbl (27" OAL), or M4 w/14.5" bbl.
2/21/2005 2:53:35 PM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I would use an M4 loaded with 55g Ballistic Tip ammo.



I'm with ya brother, though I'm going a couple inches shorter.
img.photobucket.com/albums/v623/CIB/The%20Armory/SBRAR.jpg

VERY nice. i hope to build one just like it someday.
2/21/2005 3:33:14 PM EDT
[#15]
My Scattergun Technologies Remington 1100
2/21/2005 5:47:47 PM EDT
[#16]
M-4.  
2/21/2005 5:54:05 PM EDT
[#17]
shotgun. all i would have to do is rack it, and scare all the BG away.

haha
2/21/2005 5:58:42 PM EDT
[#18]

Quoted:
shotgun. all i would have to do is rack it, and scare all the BG away.

haha



or it could just let the BGs know where you are at......
2/21/2005 6:03:32 PM EDT
[#19]

Quoted:

Quoted:
shotgun. all i would have to do is rack it, and scare all the BG away.

haha



or it could just let the BGs know where you are at......



yea, but he will be scared
2/21/2005 10:57:31 PM EDT
[#20]
AR carbine in .223

Nothing shorter than a 14.5" barrel.

Semi-auto is fine.

The reason? 55 gr .223 rounds being fired from a 14.5" barrel will have sufficient terminal ballistics, without running the risk of over penetration. I'd probably prefer SA to FA, because the risk in a CQB situation is in sending errand shots in the direction of innocents.

My $.02
2/22/2005 6:51:44 AM EDT
[#21]
The mini-gun Governor Ventura used in Predator!!   j/k  

It was a bad weapon though.  

I'd go with the M-4, 14.5" barrel with the modified Remington 870 shotgun mounted under the barrel where a M203 usually goes.

2/22/2005 10:01:27 AM EDT
[#22]
M4
2/22/2005 1:42:45 PM EDT
[#23]

Quoted:
The mini-gun Governor Ventura used in Predator!!   j/k  

It was a bad weapon though.  

I'd go with the M-4, 14.5" barrel with the modified Remington 870 shotgun mounted under the barrel where a M203 usually goes.






i want one

sorry, i couldnt get it any bigger
2/22/2005 2:30:45 PM EDT
[#24]
Frag grenades.






Seriously, a pistol caliber carbine.
2/22/2005 2:41:01 PM EDT
[#25]
Variety of factors will determine what I would take.
General Purpose UMP40, MP5/10 or /40, or UMP45 (basically a H&K SMG that is not 9mm)

Here's the things that will take me up to M4: possible distance shooting, possible bgs in heavy armor, not in an urban environment (like going tactical on some dude's trailer or cabin out in the boonies).

The reason I'd stay with the SMG in most cases is due to the controlability and manouverablity. Though as I said there are factors that will get me to go M4.

Shotgun is okay for CQB, but I'd feel better with a SMG.
2/22/2005 2:48:43 PM EDT
[#26]
M4 or Commando, depending on size constraints or if I was operating in a vehicle.  For all intents and purposes, a Commando length M16 with proper weight ammo is a very loud submachine gun, with some advantages over the pistol calibers.
2/23/2005 1:23:01 PM EDT
[#27]
14' pump shotty bar none!!!!! nothing can beat the power of a shotgun at close quarters. nuff said!
2/23/2005 4:05:07 PM EDT
[#28]
I would prefer a platoon of marines armed with m4's and saw's to take care of the problem for me.  If all else fails then the glock at the small of my back, the 4" folder clipped to the inside of my belt will get me to the truck where the mossy 500 is behind the seat, or the car where the plain old 20" ar15 a2 is waiting.  Come to think of it if I can get back to the vehicles with the weapons then I can run away.  
2/23/2005 7:10:03 PM EDT
[#29]
Sigurd, a Krinkov in 7.62x39?  Don't think one was ever made but I may be mistaken.  I think it's 5.45x39 or something like that.
2/23/2005 7:52:16 PM EDT
[#30]
I would definately go for an 11.5" AR loaded with M262s.  The other options (sub-gun, shotgun) will not penetrate body armor.
2/23/2005 8:47:27 PM EDT
[#31]
M4 with 75 Gn. or 77 Gn. BTHP's

Tack
2/23/2005 10:00:36 PM EDT
[#32]

Quoted:
Sigurd, a Krinkov in 7.62x39?  Don't think one was ever made but I may be mistaken.  I think it's 5.45x39 or something like that.



+1

Thought Krinks only came in 5.45?
2/24/2005 5:36:51 AM EDT
[#33]
Converted Saiga12 with a vest full of 8 rd mags.
2/24/2005 6:49:42 AM EDT
[#34]
UMP .45 w/suppressor, M900A and Eotech 512. Lightweight, pistol caliber, and quiet.
2/24/2005 7:14:38 AM EDT
[#35]
18" Remington 870
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