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Posted: 7/10/2003 5:40:08 PM EDT
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A buddy of mine has a Springfield M1A, and spent big bucks on a Generation 3 mount and Springfield scope. Well, he hasn't had any luck with the set up. Apperently the scope mount keeps coming loose. I know he likes this gun alot, and I'd hate to see him get to discouraged. Can somebody recommend a better scope mount for the M1A? |
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So why the need for two mounts (#18, and #19a)? Is one simply a riser? Man, you'd think there would be more responses to this thread. Or maybe there just isn't an easy solution? I hadn't even thought about ARMS, but considering their quality on AR stuff, that my be the best bet. |
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Shamus, This is a whole can of worms. There are those who are happy with their scoped M1As, then there some like me who think there is no appropriate way to mount an optic on an M1A. Here is why. First, lots of scope mounts won't stay on. This can be solved with the ARMs setup above, or a Brookfield, or a Smith Enterprise. All of them WILL stay in place. Problem is, this doesn't solve some of the inherent problems of the M1A and optics. Assuming you install correctly, the mount will stay in place. You can zero a scope. It will stay in place. Here is where the problems begin. 1) Cheekweld. there is no way in hell a proper cheekweld can be made on a M1A stock while looking through an optic mounted on any of the above mounts. TOO high. The only solution is to get a stock with adjustable cheekpeice, or add a cheekpeice to the stock. The latter of course makes the irons unusable in an emergency. In any case, the scope is lots higher than the bore. Not an optimul sniper type weapon. 2) Ejection. Brass is ejected through the small space remaining between the scope mount, and stock. If you ejector isn't perfectly tuned you get spent cases jamming the works. 3) Cleaning. The M1A is easy to clean without a scope. But, with a scope there, complications. And removing the scope mount is not an option. The ARMs solution might be an improvement on the one peice Smith unit I had. I don't know as I never had one. Bottom line, there are some of us who don't think the M1A is suitable for scoping. Obviously there are alternate opinions. If I were determined to put a scope on mine again I am pretty sure I would get the ARMs setup and a scope with a small and low profile to get as low as I could. The I'd buy a stock with built in adjustable cheekpeice. Springfield Armory has one. However, I have decided that this rifle is a classic that does not require or improve with optics. For me, the standard traditional mode will remain. I will use a FAL or AR10 if I want a semiauto 308 with a scope. My two cents. here is my baby.  |
| The SA 3rd gen mount is a total piece of shit. Any company that expects you to put a mount onto a rifle that costs $1000-2500 and up, and then "hit it with a hammer" (says to right in the mounting instructions-no shit) to mate the mount to the receiver needs to re-think their design. Tell your friend he needs to get an ARMS #18. |
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I was contemplating this setup myself, but opted to go with the #18 and their QD rings instead, as it provides more clearence for ejecting brass etc. I can live with brass hitting the adjustment knob-cover on my scope. |
A black, synthetic, configurable, quickly removed riser cheekpiece is available from DSA. (See my post below). It does the job in correcting the cheekweld problems, and its removal quickly allows use of the iron sights once the scope/rings assembly is removed. Note that it makes sense to have QD rings to do this efficiently.
Quite correct. It's possible to do minor trimming of the mount where brass might be striking it to lessen and/or eliminate interferance with the ejected brass.
Since the M1A must be cleaned from the muzzle, the only cleaning issue here is that of cleaning the chamber, and that is easily solved by obtaining a handle with attached plastic-coated, flexible shaft onto which screws a replacable chamber brush. (See my post below). With a few Q-Tips, GI toothbrush, and the abovementioned chamber cleaning tool, you should be good to go. The M1A is best cleaned/serviced in a field-stripped state, and this largely negates access issues introduced by the ARMS (or Smith) scope mount(s).
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ITC cheekrest from DSA:www.dsarms.com/item-detail.cfm?ID=CR139A&storeid=1&image=itccheekrest.jpg Flexible chamber cleaning rod kit (various cals available, .30-'06 will do for .308): www.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd/product.asp?sku=CLN%2D136&thru=fr&mscssid=2CWARJA7F1UD9MU18NKEM36911829B3B With the newer-style ARMS mount, which has an integral, full-length base, the height of the scope is controlled by the height of the (QD, hopefully) scope mounts. A proper selection of scope mounts should ideally allow the scope to just clear the rear sight. HTH, RAF |
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I have to confess the DSA part and McMillan stock might work. But I still think it is forcing a tool to do something it wasn't meant to. As a MBR I feel the M14/M1A is an e xcellent and historical weapon. With iron sights I know I can hit a battle sized target at 600 yards. Can't say that with a lot of weapons. But, if you are putting a scope on a .308 rifle you are stepping into a whole new level of precision desired IMO. Might as well start with a better platform. And candidly, the AR10 is way better for accuracy and mounting a scope. IMO. Here is what I would use if I needed a semiauto scoped .308.  |
Yep ! (My brother went through Marine Corps boot camp with the M-14 (Was handed an M-16 when he got to Vietnam) and for that reason wanted my M1A1. I gave that rifle to him along with the Gen III mount and Leupold scope and stayed with my AR-10's.) |
No comment. |
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The best solution to the check weld problems with the scoped M14 is the same solution the Marine Corp used to use. Cut up a USGI foam sleeping mat and stack it on the stock to the correct hieght, then secure with 100MPH tape. I have had no problems with my 3rd generation mount. Nothing about my Scoped M1A is pretty or sexy, except that it will keep every shot inside 1.5" at 200 yards, all day long. My buddy is a graduate of Gunsites precision rifle class, and shoots a $2,800.00 custom rifle built on the 700 Rem action. I can hit any target he can hit out to 400 meters. past that he cleans my clock. |
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