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Posted: 11/12/2002 12:25:45 AM EDT
We've all had em... somethign that on the surface sounds really cool but any degree of thought reveals to be blithering idiocy.

My contributions...

"Pistol calibre upper in .454 cassul"

and

"20 Gauge Revolver"
Link Posted: 11/12/2002 1:08:47 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/12/2002 1:27:38 AM EDT by Skammy]
.223 Revolver

Sounded cool to me but it wouldn't be to useful, the barrel would be to short, and would probably be very loud and have a nice sized muzzle flash.

I think its just useless...
Link Posted: 11/12/2002 2:18:57 AM EDT
Belt fed 12 or 10 ga. shotgun. It would only be useful at short range if at all.
Link Posted: 11/12/2002 2:53:43 AM EDT
I read an article years ago that there were some homebuilt .223 revolvers found in the Phillipines. It had a 2" barrel. I can't imagine something like that would have much in the way of accuracy or range, and the muzzle flash and noise would be horrendous.
Link Posted: 11/12/2002 3:07:13 AM EDT
Fully automatic, 5-shot revolver.
Link Posted: 11/12/2002 6:53:06 AM EDT
Mateba, semi-auto revolver.

Check it out in CDNN...
Link Posted: 11/12/2002 7:29:44 AM EDT
Mateba's are pretty creepy. I can't believe that design has been re-hashed! I thought John Browning's early semi's pushed that beast into extinction.
Link Posted: 11/12/2002 11:22:08 AM EDT
Full-auto Garand?

BambambambambambambambamCHING!
Link Posted: 11/12/2002 11:30:19 AM EDT
I thought I was the only one to have the belt fed shoutgun idea rolling around in my mind
Link Posted: 11/12/2002 11:50:07 AM EDT
A guard dog that shoots bees out of its mouth?

DOH !!
Link Posted: 11/12/2002 12:01:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By caveman:
Belt fed 12 or 10 ga. shotgun. It would only be useful at short range if at all.



It might be quite useful if you used slugs
Link Posted: 11/12/2002 12:03:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
A guard dog that shoots bees out of its mouth?

DOH !!



That's impossible....everyone knows that bees would have to shoot out of it's butt!
Link Posted: 11/12/2002 12:40:53 PM EDT
I dont know if it is a myth or a story but I heard about an attempt for a belt fed shotgun for perimeter defence during Vietnam. It was loaded with buckshot and every third round was a solid bronze slug. The only problem was you needed a truck to haul it around and another one just for the belted ammo.

sp
Link Posted: 11/12/2002 1:54:14 PM EDT
NO! I thought of the belt fed shotgun in HS in the 80's. Maybe if we all thought of it, it can't be that bad of an idea. I even drew pics of it.

jd1
Link Posted: 11/12/2002 2:27:53 PM EDT
Those single-action revolvers made a few years ago chambered in 45-70 were not the best firearm ever thought out. I don't remember the company that made them, but they were huge and out of proportion with the cylinder being so long. And I bet nobody (in their right mind), shot anything but factory loads in them.

I understand some of the cowboy action shooters wanting the same caliber rifle and revolver, but this took that to extremes.

That Thunder 5 .410 shotgun revolver with about a two inch barrel wasn't the brightest idea out there either. But I still wish I had bought one.
Link Posted: 11/12/2002 2:44:36 PM EDT
I think Magnum Research still makes those 45-70 revolvers it's part of the BFP line? Something like that.

I know I saw a little 2 barrel derenger that chambered eith 44 or 410. whole guns probably 4 inches long. lol!

I always wondered about the Belt fed Shotgun. Figure slugs or 00 buck. But more in a minigun design.
Link Posted: 11/12/2002 2:56:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/12/2002 2:59:00 PM EDT by ORM-D]
Yeah, everyone has thought of the belt fed shotgun at some time or another.

A couple of issues.
1) The game warden can come into your house for no reason and see if you have a plug in your belt.

2) It would be declared Non Sporting As All Getout, and NSAAG Shotguns are a no no if they're over .50" bore.

And more seriously:
3) The hull grows longer upon firing.
4) A machine gun is already a sequential pellet shotgun in essence. Only it can fire rifle bullets at rifle velocities. Individual pellets in 00 Buck are roughly equivalent to 32 ACP.

#4 Means that, while it might be a fun machine for Extreme Clays (hmm now THAT sounds like sporting purpose - a whole flock at a time, coming right at you ) the only possible use it would have is as a Law Enforcement aid for Riot control using the "Less than Lethal" rounds available in 12ga.
Link Posted: 11/12/2002 3:05:20 PM EDT
Lazyshooter,

I saw one of those 45-70 revolvers at the last funshow I went to! Crazy I say.. Although the thing was huge I can't imaging shooting one.. YOu'd need someone to hold the barrel up for you. lol. And the grip was really small compared to the rest of the gun..
Link Posted: 11/12/2002 3:11:32 PM EDT
I'm sorry it was the BFR (Biggest Finest Revolver) and is availabe in .45/70 Gov’t, .444 Marlin, .45 Long Colt/.410, .450 Marlin and some other smaller calibers.

http://www.magnumresearch.com/
Link Posted: 11/12/2002 3:30:05 PM EDT
My contributions...

"Pistol calibre upper in .454 cassul"


What's wrong with this one? The AR design is strong enough and .454 is really a rifle cartridge ina pistol.
Link Posted: 11/12/2002 4:34:57 PM EDT
Go ahead and flame, but the Desert Eagle (running a close second to the .223 revolver) is about the dumbest idea for a firearm I can think of. They weigh a f*cking ton, and they're far too large to even think about CCW. What? Silhouette shooting? Hunting? Get a Super Redhawk, a Model 29, or a Raging Bull.....any of them'll do just as good, if not better, and cost........HUNDREDS of dollars less.
Link Posted: 11/12/2002 4:41:04 PM EDT
I was under the impression that only specially built revolvers could handle the massive power of the .454

:)
Link Posted: 11/12/2002 5:13:53 PM EDT
Rocket guns. Remember those, from the 60's? Looked great in "You Only Live Twice", but seriously, what were they thinking?
Link Posted: 11/12/2002 5:16:09 PM EDT
I came up with a Belt-Fed Shotgun idea also.

I have also considered the possibility of using 40mm shells loaded with buckshot. Create a setup like the MK90 (?) or whatever the correct name for the 40mm Machine Gun is....

40mm = 1.6" +/-
12 Gauge = .75" +/-
Link Posted: 11/12/2002 7:58:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By --BATMAN--:
Rocket guns. Remember those, from the 60's? Looked great in "You Only Live Twice", but seriously, what were they thinking?



You mean the 'gyrojet'? You could disable those by sticking your finger in the muzzle.

I think the Dardick was one of the worse ideas to come down the pipe. If I remember right, it was a revolver that was fed from a magazine in the grip. Round cartridges wouldn't work right, so they came up with the idea of these triangular things called "trounds."
Link Posted: 11/12/2002 8:32:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CAPITALIST:

Originally Posted By caveman:
Belt fed 12 or 10 ga. shotgun. It would only be useful at short range if at all.



It might be quite useful if you used slugs



My thoughts exactly... Hey, they even make tracer-slugs, so...

Even more usefull if the design could be constructed based on a previous weapon with pre-86 NFA recievers available (Like the AR).

Automatic belt-fed shotgun... Think of the possibilities (and yeah, they'd probably make it a NFA weapon... But then the point would be for it to be NFA (MG) anyway)...
Link Posted: 11/12/2002 8:53:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Jus228:
Lazyshooter,

I saw one of those 45-70 revolvers at the last funshow I went to! Crazy I say.. Although the thing was huge I can't imaging shooting one.. YOu'd need someone to hold the barrel up for you. lol. And the grip was really small compared to the rest of the gun..



The grip is very small looking compared to the rest of the gun on the 45-70 revolver. I'll bet that thing is a handful with hotter loads!
Link Posted: 11/12/2002 8:55:30 PM EDT
Link Posted: 11/12/2002 9:13:56 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Moondog:
I read an article years ago that there were some homebuilt .223 revolvers found in the Phillipines. It had a 2" barrel. I can't imagine something like that would have much in the way of accuracy or range, and the muzzle flash and noise would be horrendous.




I saw the pic of that here during the sniper sht
Link Posted: 11/13/2002 3:52:20 AM EDT


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Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
A guard dog that shoots bees out of its mouth?

DOH !!
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That's impossible....everyone knows that bees would have to shoot out of it's butt!



I'm sorry DigDug, but everybody knows that ONLY Monkeys can fly out of the but!!


BISHOP

Link Posted: 11/13/2002 11:34:27 AM EDT
I think the 25acp is pretty goofy cartridge. I am not sure what use it might have other than making the neigbors dog mad.
Link Posted: 11/13/2002 11:42:30 AM EDT
They were showing some thugs up in PRNJ the other day on one of these police videos shows...They were robbing an Atlantic City Casino and shot a woman point blank in the head with a .25ACP. She never even fell down. She lived to talk about it.

Part that pissed me off was when the narrator stated that there was nothing that could match a gun. Um, perhaps a CCW Holder w/ a .45 and the element of suprise. The saddest part was that even the Security Gaurds were unarmed...


Originally Posted By P226:
I think the 25acp is pretty goofy cartridge. I am not sure what use it might have other than making the neigbors dog mad.

Link Posted: 11/13/2002 11:59:09 AM EDT
S&W Sigma.

If you're going to blatantly copy the Glock, at least get it right!

Sheesh.
Link Posted: 11/13/2002 3:36:03 PM EDT
My top three:

1) AR10 Upper that can fire .850 rubber slugs from a 60 round magazine.

2) AK47 with the barrel facing backwards

3) Walther PPK made out of supercold ice loaded with a single bullet in the chamber w/ titanium firing pin.
Link Posted: 11/13/2002 4:00:39 PM EDT
Any one of multiple "Hat Gun" designs.

Link Posted: 11/13/2002 4:06:50 PM EDT
leather studded gloves that hold a 300 Winchester Magnum round while you tap the primer with a dull nail.
Link Posted: 11/13/2002 4:45:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/13/2002 6:03:43 PM EDT by RebelGray]
My ideas:

A home-made folding stock on my first SKS with parts from the local True-Value. Any automatic conversions I've ever tried. "what I did" to my poor old Universal carbine that worked just fine before I got to it with a dremil and a hacksaw.

Their Ideas:

(edited to add- nearly any weapon with the following phrases/words associated with its origin is bound to be awful- "...designed by comittee...", "...for political considerations...", "...To avoid pattent infringement..."...decided to make it automatic...")

Any Ivar Johnson firearm outside of the M1 Carbine series. Especially the nickel plated .32, .38, & .38S&W horrors that are found on Auctonarms, and in most OLD pawnshops.

Chauchat LMG.

Any French rifle involving a 3 round mannlicher style magazine. Its bad enough you have to clip feed them, but WTF is up with a three round magazine?!?!

Anything bi or tripod mounted, heavy, automatic, and Italian from about 1900-1945. (same goes for Japanese)

The Japanese Type 97 (it LOOKS cool though, sort of art-deco sci-fi)

The Japanese Type 26 9mm Revolver. No spurr, SAO, and ugly as hell.

Springfield 1903 (a nationalistic crap-fueled copy of the Mauser 98 involving some poor decisions)

Anything beginning with "TEC", "HiPoint", "Bryco", "Raven", etc etc...




Originally Posted By ken_mays:
S&W Sigma.

If you're going to blatantly copy the Glock, at least get it right!

Sheesh.



I've owned Glocks, I've owned Sigmas. I F*ing hate Glocks, they have to be one of the more uncomfortable firearms I've ever shot, and the older ones are ugly as sin.

Oh, I've got no question on accuracy and reliability in the Glock, but if you hate shooting it and hate the idea of paying a small fortune for an ugly gun, whats the point?

OTOH I've never met a Sigma that I didnt like, except perhapse the two-tone black and powder blue ones my pawn shop sold a while back.
Link Posted: 11/13/2002 5:47:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/13/2002 5:55:46 PM EDT by cmjohnson]
This is definitely the wrist-crusher you're looking for:


www.birdman.org/products/M82pistol.htm


CJ
Link Posted: 11/13/2002 6:04:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By caveman:
Belt fed 12 or 10 ga. shotgun. It would only be useful at short range if at all.



I'll take 2. Take paypal?
Link Posted: 11/13/2002 6:46:25 PM EDT
How about a full auto belt-fed ......410 shotgun. Rate of fire 500 rpm and I'm looking at it right now,picture of one anyway called the Shogun 410
Link Posted: 11/13/2002 6:50:30 PM EDT
Am I the only one who ever thought of a gimbal-mounted hopper-fed automatic shotgun?
Link Posted: 11/13/2002 7:25:17 PM EDT
H&K PV70Z
Link Posted: 11/13/2002 7:26:48 PM EDT
How about a short barreled 50BMG mounted under an AR barrel?

Link Posted: 11/13/2002 8:01:22 PM EDT

Anything beginning with "TEC", "HiPoint", "Bryco", "Raven", etc etc...


I have to disagree on the Hi-Point part. I used to own a Hi-Point M995C (9mm Carbine in Chrome). It looked like a freak of nature. But, as long as you made sure the Magazine was fully seated it fired like a dream, was easily concealable as compared to similar rifles and could be deployed quickly and easily. It is reasonably accurate. In fact, more so that an SKS @ 100 Yards. It has minimal recoil and Great sights...

The main gripe most people have is a perceived tendency to jam. This is mostly related to the magazine being difficult to fully seat. But, once you get the hang of it...it is a fine Carbine.

I sold mine to buy an AR-15.
Link Posted: 11/13/2002 8:10:35 PM EDT
A hat gun............in 10ga

Still can't hear a damn thing.....WHAT?
Link Posted: 11/13/2002 8:35:51 PM EDT
CC- have owned four Hi Point firearms, and now refer to them as "lowpoint".

Problems with the 995-
Incredibly cheap construction, broke my rear sight off nearly completely shooting a 3 gun match. The stock was of laughable quality and would begin to melt after a few hundred rounds, my old 995 had my fingerprints in it. The stock also came appart at the seams when the screws began to tear out after only a month of owning it. The front sight was never "tight enough" and would slew around the barrel upon contact with anything stationary.

The single stack magazine was an awful idea, although I know they couldnt make a high capacity magazine on their own, they should have at least constructed the rifle to take another's high-caps. Give me a break, 10rnds of 9mm? In a 'combat' weapon?

While the HiPoint may in fact be more accurate than SOME SKSs at 100yds, its also shoddier and far less powerful.

If you *must have* an ugly 9mm carbine, the Cobray carbines are the same price, just as ugly, and far sturdier and more combat worthy.

As for their pistols. Oh boy, where do I begin. First off the slides were hunks of raw chisled steel that the Soviets would at least hide INSIDE a weapon. The steel was often so heavy that on the polymer framed pistols, it was nearly impossible to hold the thing upright without a concerted effort. I actually had pices fly OUT of my .40 cal HiPoint as I shot it, little bits of plastic lower all over my shirt.

All things being equil I'd rathar depend on any other weapon in my list of worsts for my life than a HiPoint. At least the Tec9 functioned properly and was easy to repair.
Link Posted: 11/13/2002 8:48:58 PM EDT
any "smart gun" is a pretty stupid idea.

i still think a 3 shot .458 mag revolver would be cool. Can you imagine the recoil?

Link Posted: 11/13/2002 9:02:58 PM EDT

Problems with the 995-
Incredibly cheap construction,



Agreed.


broke my rear sight off nearly completely shooting a 3 gun match. The stock was of laughable quality and would begin to melt after a few hundred rounds, my old 995 had my fingerprints in it. The stock also came appart at the seams when the screws began to tear out after only a month of owning it. The front sight was never "tight enough" and would slew around the barrel upon contact with anything stationary.


Wow !!! I never had any of those problems with mine. Must be a hit and miss kind of situation.


The single stack magazine was an awful idea, although I know they couldnt make a high capacity magazine on their own, they should have at least constructed the rifle to take another's high-caps. Give me a break, 10rnds of 9mm? In a 'combat' weapon?


Amen. I hated being limited to 10 Rounds. Something like the Kel-Tecs which take other Hi-Caps. would have been nice.


While the HiPoint may in fact be more accurate than SOME SKSs at 100yds, its also shoddier and far less powerful.


Agreed.


If you *must have* an ugly 9mm carbine, the Cobray carbines are the same price, just as ugly, and far sturdier and more combat worthy.



Show me where I can find a Cobray Carbine for $179.95 ($169.95 w/o Chrome). That is what I paid for my 995. That is $10 over dealer price, IIRC.
Link Posted: 11/14/2002 6:10:29 AM EDT

Originally Posted By RebelGray:

Originally Posted By ken_mays:
S&W Sigma.

If you're going to blatantly copy the Glock, at least get it right!

Sheesh.



I've owned Glocks, I've owned Sigmas. I F*ing hate Glocks, they have to be one of the more uncomfortable firearms I've ever shot, and the older ones are ugly as sin.




No argument there, except to say the "newer" ones are even uglier than the older ones.



Oh, I've got no question on accuracy and reliability in the Glock, but if you hate shooting it and hate the idea of paying a small fortune for an ugly gun, whats the point?



Precisely why I no longer own a HK USP.



OTOH I've never met a Sigma that I didnt like, except perhapse the two-tone black and powder blue ones my pawn shop sold a while back.



You must have a trigger finger like a gorilla. I have never felt a worse trigger as on the Sigma 40, and the fact that it was plastic was even more of an insult.

I will grudgingly admit the plastic frame was slightly more comfortable than the Grock's.
Link Posted: 11/14/2002 10:19:44 AM EDT

Originally Posted By P226:
I think the 25acp is pretty goofy cartridge. I am not sure what use it might have other than making the neigbors dog mad.



My "bad" idea: a scaled down MAC10 chambered in .25acp or possibly .32acp. The .32 version makes somewhat more sense in that at least the Czechs thought a burpgun chambered for it was a good idea (Vz61). .22lr would be much cheaper to feed but the rimfire ignition, soft lead bullets & rimmed cartridge cause reliability issues. A scaled down subgun in the Soviet 5.45x18 might be interesting.
Link Posted: 11/14/2002 11:35:23 AM EDT
How about a centerfire, rimless .22 LR?

That could make for some hugely fun plinking in full auto. You could have a 300 round magazine of manageable size and weight. Make it double feed, quad stack, like the 60 round AK mags that came out fairly recently.

How about a micro-minigun chambered for this round? You could carry, at a guess, 10,000 linked rounds in a reasonably sized backpack. The whole minigun could be roughly 20 inches long with a barrel cage only about two inches in diameter and weigh five pounds or so, and could be fired with one hand.

Or better yet, a centerfire, rimless .22 magnum.
Same as above, but more fun. Just the thing for discreet interventions in tight quarters with a lot of targets to be dealt with!

CJ


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