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Posted: 7/12/2002 6:56:28 PM EDT
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Hi everyone, I am new here to ar15. I just signed up because I need help deciding on an ar15(actually called an Centurian 15 Sporter to be PC). I was told that it has a new reciever and possible a new barrel and the rest of the parts are old M16 parts. The exterior condition is pretty good. The gun store wants$679 for it. Is the reasonable for a gun like this? With other a few cheaper guns so that will take $200 off. Is this fair deal. Thanks very much in advance, Luke Freeouf |
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Ask the seller what he means by "old M-16 parts." If he means the bolt carrier and/or trigger assembly then putting them into an non-NFA rifle is illegal. The Bushmaster on-line catalog shows the differences between M-16 and AR-15 parts. Study the parts in the rifle and compare them against the catalog's diagrams. If they are M-16 parts DON'T buy it! |
| I beleive the rifle you are referring to was made by century arms on new receivers ( DPMS ) with some surplus parts. Relax guys, the internals are all semi auto legal. The ones I saw looked pretty good. They were selling new at wholesale for about $595 ( SOG / AIM ) last fall. I would shop around. I bought a new Bushmaster for $750. With that small price difference I bought a better quality rifle with a much higher resale value. Just my opinion. |
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Thanks for the help. It seems like the general concensus is that I should stay away from this one. I think the barrel shrowd(forgive my lack of proper gun vocab), the buttstock, the handle grip and possible the back handle w/ the sight and the front sight are all from an m-16. The way the "lower" and upper parts fit together is tight, I have no idea is this is good or not. The gun shop guy seemed to think it would perform about as good as the average M-16. What this means I really don't know. In your estimations, would this shoot a inch group at 100 yards? Like Shotar said, this was remade by Century in the manner he described(it is perfectly legal). I want to call (century) them tomorrow to ask about the condition of the barrel because the suppressor on the barrel appeared to have been whacked into something hard because it looked like it hit a cement floor or something. It isn't really major to me it this looks tacky, smells funny or is dinged up as long as it shoots very well. But I have no clue how to tell it the rifling is good or shoot out. Will having m-16 components affect the accuracy? The butt stock appears to be a bit loose where it joins the lower trigger section. Also the barrel shrowd is somewhat loose also. Also the barrel shrowd doesn't fit flush into the back of the metal cover behond the front sight(if you know what I am trying to say)Also he said this gun would retain it's value so I could easily get my money back. Is this true? I guess I would really like to jump on this one soon so if you could let me know as soon as you can, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks Luke Freeouf |
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The gun is perfectly legal. The lower reciever has just a "safe" and a "fire". There is NO burst or auto. Therefore it is just as legal as a Ruger 10/22. I am not sure whether it is worth the risk, but I am kinda really wanting to get it. Have any of you owned or shot a Century rebuild like this? Thanks |
| From what I understand the Centurian 15 is a new made generic semiauto lower with surplus M16 parts, modified for legality where needed. A little grinding on the bolt carrier & hammer, some welding on the trigger etc. $679 seems kinda rich for something assembled by Century's gunmonkeys, though. |
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Legality is not the issue here. I'm sure that all the M16 parts in the gunare either nonimportant pieces, or modified to make them legal. QUALITY IS THE ISSUE! Stay away from this piece of junk. Bushmaster or Rock River are much higher in quality, and will stand behind their products. I'm assuming that you plan to keep the rifle you buy for awhile, and use it regularly. If so, buy a rifle you'll want to keep. 
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Ooops! Well, I bought it against the recommendation of you all. I trust you guys' judgement but I guess since it is my first I am not so worried about get hosed. I mean to say that, I will learn what to look for and certain what to avoid. For what it was worth, the salesman said I would be able to get my money back without to much trouble(who knows if that's the truth!) Just some initial impressions- -There is considerable play in the Reciever pivot pin hinge point. Does this affect accuracy? -When pushing out the takedown pin and looking inside there is a rubber space it the lower reciever behind the trigger mechanism. Is this normal? - I think they gave me a bad clip. The last 3-4 rounds aren't held tight in the clip. Atleast 5 times when shooting about 60 rounds this evening, two cartriges would get jammed at the same time. So basically, it worked fine until the clip was almost empty. Do you suggest USGI clips? They are cheaper than the aluminum ones and they only look used. How can I tell when I have a good clip that will feed all the way to the last round? -I shot about 60 rounds from 50 yards in the prone unsupportable position. I didn't determine much about the accuracy as I haven't been shooting for a while and I am not sure how to use peep sights accurately. -Is the lower worth keeping and replacing with a better upper? You guys can call me every name in the book cause I probably deserve it for buying a crapper...call it my first gun purchase ever and a learning experience. I may end up selling this soon but I will do some shooting from a rest and see how it does. Is this worth mounting a scope onto so I can get a more precise sight picture? Thanks again Luke |
============================================= this post got me to wondering, what wud you do if you bought an AR & after you take it home you do as most new AR owners do, you take it apart to thouroghly clean it & get to know how it works & you discover an M-16 part......, what do you do ?? remove it & throw it away & replace it or just say aaaah, to hell wyth it no one will ever know it's there but me......??????? |
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