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Posted: 4/27/2002 7:24:01 PM EDT
A friend of mines father passed away last month & she is in the prosess of getting rid of a few things.
One of the items is a remington manufactured .45 stamped U.S. Property with a date of 4/37. The SN is 2056XX. She tells me it is in very good condition with no rust and ALL of the bluing intact.
Whats it worth (ballpark)?
Thanks,
echo6
Link Posted: 4/27/2002 7:34:27 PM EDT
Link Posted: 4/27/2002 7:44:51 PM EDT
I'd say around $200, but because I'm such a nice guy, I'll give you $300 just to take it off your hands.
Link Posted: 4/27/2002 7:54:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/27/2002 7:58:18 PM EDT by waltere]
echo6,
You should call John Holbrook at (360) 671-8522. He's in Bellingham, WA and knows collectable .45's like no one that I've ever met. Also, he owns the finest collection of 1911's that I've ever had the good fortune to look at. He has, in perfect or near perfect condition, every version produced. The biggest problem as I see it, is that without John or yourself having a look at the pistol... a value estimate is just a real shot in the dark (pun not intended). I'm guessing of course, but near $1,100.00 ought to be about right providing, that there hasn't been a change out of any of the original parts. Good luck.
W
I'll match that $300.00 and raise it to $400.00
Link Posted: 4/27/2002 7:59:09 PM EDT
Go to www.1911forum.com and ask in the USGI forum (down near the bottom). Those guys are pretty good.
Link Posted: 4/27/2002 8:07:13 PM EDT
I knew I could count on you guys for the info fast but WOW less than a hour. You guys rock.
I hope it is worth a few $$ She had someone offer her $350 for it, when she told me about it I let her know that I thought it MIGHT be worth conciderably more, being stamped U.S. Property & being a oldie. Not sure if it is completly original, not even sure if it has been refinished. Any "quick & easy" ways to tell?
Not up to speed on collectibles,
Echo6
Link Posted: 4/27/2002 8:11:46 PM EDT
You should just buy it for you own collection I would love to have a US property stamped 1911.... but then again my name is 1911 greg!
Link Posted: 4/27/2002 8:12:16 PM EDT
Ok--in all seriousness, Aimless is correct.

Remington UMC made 1911s from 1918 to 1919. Serial#s 1-21,676 approx. These guns will have deep, quality blueing and wood grips.

Remington-Rand made 1911A1s from 1943 to 1945. Serial#s 916,405 to 2,619,013. These guns will have the greenish parkerized finish and brown, plastic grips.

I think only Colt made property marked 1911A1s in 1937.

What are you using to get the date 4/37?

Get all the markings off the gun and it should be pretty easy to pinpoint what you've got.
Link Posted: 4/27/2002 8:18:50 PM EDT
Not sure where she pulled the date from, I guess I'm going to have to journey up to her place and take a look at it/ snap a few pics of it myself. Getting the description via email/IM
methinks is going to be diffucult to get a solid value.
I wonder if its possable that the slide/frame dident start out as a set? That could explain the conflict of the SN range & the date stamp.
echo6
Link Posted: 4/27/2002 8:36:59 PM EDT
It sounds crazy but the only serial number and property mark should be on the frame. The manufacturer name will be stamped on the slide. HIGHLY possible to get a mis-match. Even so, a property marked frame is worth a couple hundred bucks by itself.

By all means find out what she has got and DO NOT let her just give it away. However if she insist on selling it cheap, please sell it to me.
Link Posted: 4/28/2002 8:19:13 AM EDT
OK got a slightly OT question. My neighbor has a Colt 1911 that's nickel plated and marked US Property. The lettering is sharp and the plating appears original. I've never seen a plated US Property 1911 before. Is this very unusual?
Link Posted: 4/28/2002 8:38:50 AM EDT
No, it's not that unusual, but it's not original.

CMP used to sell 1911s through the NRA for $20-$25. A popular trend was to get them nickle plated.
Link Posted: 4/28/2002 10:13:48 AM EDT
echo6, My father just sold a nice Remington Rand for $1,200. If its origional and nice it's worth a lot more than $400.
Link Posted: 4/29/2002 8:32:58 PM EDT
Per "Hallock’s .45 Auto Handbook", the serial no. range 186201 to 209586 was made by Colt for the US Army in 1917. This was a 1911, not a 1911A1.

Also check out the inspector’s initials on the left side of the frame somewhere between the slide stop and the magazine release. This can help confirm identification.

If it’s a 1917 Colt, the initials might be either a G, H and S in a circle (for Col. Gilbert H. Stewart) or a G with the letters J and M inside it (for LtCol. J.M. Gilbert).
Link Posted: 4/29/2002 8:43:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/29/2002 8:44:18 PM EDT by Kaliburz]
Well, if it's a 37...... it could have been part of the manufacture for WWII...... but hard to tell w/ out pics and the blue book..... (at buddies shop)


But if it is a WWII gun, I think it's listed under the military stuff......... not under Remington.... don't quote me... as I said book is at shop...
Link Posted: 4/29/2002 9:14:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Aimless:
I tried to look it up in my Blue Book without success. I only found two Remington 1911's
Model 1911 Remington UMC made 1918-1919 serial number stops at 21,676 & Model 1911A1 Remington Rand made 1943-1945 in Syracuse, New York.



I found the same thing. Also just to add that they made approximately 21500 by Remington-UMC and 1032000 by Remington-Rand.
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