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Posted: 9/20/2017 8:27:00 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/21/2017 1:37:52 AM EDT
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Agreed. If it had a white light and cost the same as this dbal supposedly is I’d have one instead of just testing out one. |
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Posted: 9/21/2017 1:11:11 PM EDT
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Personally, I wouldn't want my white light, visible laser, IR laser, and IR illuminator all tied into one unit. A battery going bad or a device crapping out would kill all of your illumination AND targeting capabilities in one go. Obviously there are exceptions but people tend to fight this stuff until they use it and it gets more common place. Think of how many things work together and are together. There are lots of benefits and few drawbacks. Especially the white light. If it fails big deal. Just clamp your old one on. It’s not like it has to be re-zeroed This thing is going to save me 6.4 ounces right off the bat. Not to mention it’s other new features. |
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Posted: 9/21/2017 1:20:53 PM EDT
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Battery change is easy and I believe tnvc said the components are separate. So if one fails the rest still work. Obviously there are exceptions but people tend to fight this stuff until they use it and it gets more common place. Think of how many things work together and are together. There are lots of benefits and few drawbacks. Especially the white light. If it fails big deal. Just clamp your old one on. It’s not like it has to be re-zeroed This thing is going to save me 6.4 ounces right off the bat. Not to mention it’s other new features. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Personally, I wouldn't want my white light, visible laser, IR laser, and IR illuminator all tied into one unit. A battery going bad or a device crapping out would kill all of your illumination AND targeting capabilities in one go. Obviously there are exceptions but people tend to fight this stuff until they use it and it gets more common place. Think of how many things work together and are together. There are lots of benefits and few drawbacks. Especially the white light. If it fails big deal. Just clamp your old one on. It’s not like it has to be re-zeroed This thing is going to save me 6.4 ounces right off the bat. Not to mention it’s other new features. |
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Posted: 10/3/2017 10:58:08 AM EDT
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I received an A3 and a D2 yesterday. I sent the D2 back today, if you want to run It on the top rail its just too tall.
While the illuminator of the D2 has its benefits, for me its extra bulk just isnt worth it in actual use. If i was going to add bulk it would need visible light aswell to justify it.. since the a4 is even larger im not sure itll be for everyone but at the same time the A3 has reach a level of bulk that the a4 might not be any worse. |
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Posted: 10/3/2017 11:15:12 AM EDT
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I received an A3 and a D2 yesterday. I sent the D2 back today, if you want to run It on the top rail its just too tall. While the illuminator of the D2 has its benefits, for me its extra bulk just isnt worth it in actual use. If i was going to add bulk it would need visible light aswell to justify it.. since the a4 is even larger im not sure itll be for everyone but at the same time the A3 has reach a level of bulk that the a4 might not be any worse. |
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Posted: 10/3/2017 8:29:27 PM EDT
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This is not GD. If you aren't contributing to the tech discussion, do not post.........<coctailer>
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Posted: 10/3/2017 10:30:04 PM EDT
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This is not GD. If you aren't contributing to the tech discussion, do not post.........<coctailer>
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Posted: 10/4/2017 9:54:44 AM EDT
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This is not GD. If you aren't contributing to the tech discussion, do not post.........<coctailer>
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Posted: 10/4/2017 11:01:14 AM EDT
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This is not GD. If you aren't contributing to the tech discussion, do not post.........<coctailer>
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Posted: 10/4/2017 12:56:22 PM EDT
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double tap
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Posted: 10/4/2017 12:59:06 PM EDT
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Any demo videos yet?
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Posted: 10/4/2017 2:57:10 PM EDT
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Any demo videos yet? |
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Posted: 10/4/2017 10:20:03 PM EDT
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In my area, i still can't get a can of weyman's reserve long-cut black and still can't demo this A4.
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Posted: 10/12/2017 10:53:38 PM EDT
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Any updates? Are these still scheduled for a September release?
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Posted: 10/12/2017 11:23:18 PM EDT
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Any updates? Are these still scheduled for a September release? |
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Posted: 10/13/2017 12:03:03 AM EDT
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I received an email about my preorder from a vendor (not on here) that they have pushed it out til April
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Posted: 10/13/2017 11:09:58 AM EDT
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This is not GD. If you aren't contributing to the tech discussion, do not post.........<coctailer>
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Posted: 10/16/2017 8:53:29 PM EDT
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This is not GD. If you aren't contributing to the tech discussion, do not post.........<coctailer>
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Posted: 10/16/2017 11:21:42 PM EDT
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This is not GD. If you aren't contributing to the tech discussion, do not post.........<coctailer>
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Posted: 10/17/2017 1:05:14 AM EDT
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I received an email about my preorder from a vendor (not on here) that they have pushed it out til April 
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Posted: 10/17/2017 3:28:59 AM EDT
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We have never been told that. In fact, while I was visiting the Steiner facility in Ohio last month in conjunction with the "Friends of Pat Event" in Alliance, they (Steiner) had several hundred on the productions rack finishing completion. No final release date, but never been told April. I will inquire again though. |
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Posted: 10/17/2017 4:12:44 AM EDT
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We have never been told that. In fact, while I was visiting the Steiner facility in Ohio last month in conjunction with the "Friends of Pat Event" in Alliance, they (Steiner) had several hundred on the productions rack finishing completion. No final release date, but never been told April. I will inquire again though. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I received an email about my preorder from a vendor (not on here) that they have pushed it out til April |
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Posted: 10/17/2017 1:50:38 PM EDT
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I received an email about my preorder from a vendor (not on here) that they have pushed it out til April |
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Posted: 10/18/2017 12:22:55 PM EDT
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Keep this on topic, or it will go in the trash.
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Posted: 10/18/2017 12:40:09 PM EDT
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Is Steiner giving up their MSRP on them yet? |
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Posted: 10/19/2017 4:28:28 AM EDT
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Not as yet. They are still going over internal cost structures, in regards to assembly, engineering etc. They are getting pretty close to release though and that is a great thing even though it's been delayed due to a whole re-design. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is Steiner giving up their MSRP on them yet? |
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Posted: 10/20/2017 11:56:13 PM EDT
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Keep this on topic, or it will go in the trash. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 2:23:13 PM EDT
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@TNVC how is the throw of the white light?
How does it stack up against a Scout M600U? |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 2:57:11 PM EDT
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@TNVC how is the throw of the white light? How does it stack up against a Scout M600U? |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 3:33:53 PM EDT
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@TNVC how is the throw of the white light? How does it stack up against a Scout M600U? |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 7:35:23 PM EDT
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A4 is 500 Lumen, M600U is 600. |
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Posted: 10/28/2017 10:02:24 PM EDT
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Any updates?
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Posted: 10/29/2017 12:54:48 PM EDT
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Understood. What’s the beam pattern? Is is a flood...spot...there are several ways to employ that 500 lumens. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A4 is 500 Lumen, M600U is 600. |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 7:17:53 AM EDT
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Any updates? |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 9:10:36 AM EDT
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I’ve lost all interest in the A4 at this point. With surefire young the scout to 1500 lumens and going rechargeable.
Just going to stay with my A3, especially since I’m white light 90% of the time. Now just hoping TNVC comes out with a y cable for the the surefire and Steiner visible over ride or if not hopefully someone else does a similar product. |
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Posted: 11/8/2017 8:27:53 AM EDT
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I’ve lost all interest in the A4 at this point. With surefire young the scout to 1500 lumens and going rechargeable. Just going to stay with my A3, especially since I’m white light 90% of the time. Now just hoping TNVC comes out with a y cable for the the surefire and Steiner visible over ride or if not hopefully someone else does a similar product. For lightweight, 12oz is lighter than my A3+M300V combo by a fraction of an ounce (if the spec sheet is to be believed). So it would be close to 2oz lighter than an A3+M600U. And of course 3-4oz lighter than a MAWL C1+ with an M600U. |
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Posted: 11/8/2017 12:19:44 PM EDT
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When looking at these devices, its really hard to look past the superiority of the MWAL switching. It does seem like the white light output of the A4 is going to be very quickly made to look obsolete by newly emerging products. Surefire has really upped their game it seems.
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Posted: 11/9/2017 6:09:22 PM EDT
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@TNVC dos this New model have any holes in the top for mounting Rail Scales LEAF sights?
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Posted: 11/10/2017 12:14:03 PM EDT
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@TNVC dos this New model have any holes in the top for mounting Rail Scales LEAF sights? |
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Posted: 11/13/2017 8:21:57 AM EDT
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I do not believe so...I can double check. EDIT: Any chance for a pre-order group buy? |
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Posted: 11/13/2017 11:37:29 AM EDT
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When looking at these devices, its really hard to look past the superiority of the MWAL switching. It does seem like the white light output of the A4 is going to be very quickly made to look obsolete by newly emerging products. Surefire has really upped their game it seems. |
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Posted: 11/14/2017 1:31:37 AM EDT
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I like this idea of everything in one small package. Probably easy to move from one gun to another. I hope they start selling them soon.
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Posted: 11/14/2017 6:07:15 PM EDT
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Not unless surefire includes all the other stuff this thing has in one unit. And I’m a huge lumens guy but how many do you need inside a room? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When looking at these devices, its really hard to look past the superiority of the MWAL switching. It does seem like the white light output of the A4 is going to be very quickly made to look obsolete by newly emerging products. Surefire has really upped their game it seems. 
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Posted: 11/15/2017 1:03:56 AM EDT
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How many do you need when walking from sunlight into a dark room?
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Posted: 11/15/2017 10:22:10 AM EDT
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How many lumens do you need outside? So before these high lumen lights came out no one could ever clear rooms? No one ever came from sunlight to dark room? 500 lumens fromma quality light is plenty. There is no popular lights in the 5-600 liken range now that are attached to tons of work rifles as we currently speak? Some of you need to get a grip.
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Posted: 11/16/2017 2:27:31 AM EDT
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I remember when 60 lumens was end of the world bright.
The discussion point is the A4 is in danger of being outdated before its released. Why companies try to develop products after announcing them is beyond me. Lumens aside, the A4 already seems like another box on a rail solution. Take all the other specs and put them aside for the time being. Its still not that much more advanced of a device from an ergonomic standpoint as stuff released years ago. |
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Posted: 11/16/2017 11:52:19 PM EDT
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My opinion of the a4 light is that it should be designed with the idea of modular heads. Work with a company like surefire on a design that uses a common pattern head and then the a4 is future resistant.
Maybe this really does not matter though. I never used a peq16, anyone that has used a peq16, did you find the white light sufficient? |
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Posted: 11/16/2017 11:59:08 PM EDT
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My opinion of the a4 light is that it should be designed with the idea of modular heads. Work with a company like surefire on a design that uses a common pattern head and then the a4 is future resistant. Maybe this really does not matter though. I never used a peq16, anyone that has used a peq16, did you find the white light sufficient?  I have not kept up what (if any) new lights are installed. We do not sell many at all to the LE or Fed market.
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Posted: 11/17/2017 11:12:28 PM EDT
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I remember when 60 lumens was end of the world bright. The discussion point is the A4 is in danger of being outdated before its released. Why companies try to develop products after announcing them is beyond me. Lumens aside, the A4 already seems like another box on a rail solution. Take all the other specs and put them aside for the time being. Its still not that much more advanced of a device from an ergonomic standpoint as stuff released years ago. If the MAWL just had a damn white light it would be the perfect device and I’d buy one despite the price. |
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