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Can anyone give me some insight on this tube. Appreciate your help in advance.
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Hi Dino, could you explain what information you used to determine it was a Omni VI tube and possibly provide some more information/background on DTG2 tubes? Quoted:
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DTG2 tube. Milspec and Omni VI autogated. L3 tube and a nice tube. Hi Dino, could you explain what information you used to determine it was a Omni VI tube and possibly provide some more information/background on DTG2 tubes? I answered the DTG2 info above. The DTG2 tube was a Mil Spec Omni VI contract tube that was originally on a AF contract several years ago. There was approx. 600 units available at that time on a overrun the AF did not want that DRS sold off. Aurora Tactical and us purchased units from this lot. Hope this helps. Vic |
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I answered the DTG2 info above. The DTG2 tube was a Mil Spec Omni VI contract tube that was originally on a AF contract several years ago. There was approx. 600 units available at that time on a overrun the AF did not want that DRS sold off. Aurora Tactical and us purchased units from this lot. Hope this helps. Vic Quoted:
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DTG2 tube. Milspec and Omni VI autogated. L3 tube and a nice tube. Hi Dino, could you explain what information you used to determine it was a Omni VI tube and possibly provide some more information/background on DTG2 tubes? I answered the DTG2 info above. The DTG2 tube was a Mil Spec Omni VI contract tube that was originally on a AF contract several years ago. There was approx. 600 units available at that time on a overrun the AF did not want that DRS sold off. Aurora Tactical and us purchased units from this lot. Hope this helps. Vic Thanks Vic! Yes that does help. This might be more of a question for the Tube ID sticky, but I was wondering how to tell from the information/markings on the tube that this tube belongs to that group (DTG2) |
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Thanks Vic! Yes that does help. This might be more of a question for the Tube ID sticky, but I was wondering how to tell from the information/markings on the tube that this tube belongs to that group (DTG2) Quoted:
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DTG2 tube. Milspec and Omni VI autogated. L3 tube and a nice tube. Hi Dino, could you explain what information you used to determine it was a Omni VI tube and possibly provide some more information/background on DTG2 tubes? I answered the DTG2 info above. The DTG2 tube was a Mil Spec Omni VI contract tube that was originally on a AF contract several years ago. There was approx. 600 units available at that time on a overrun the AF did not want that DRS sold off. Aurora Tactical and us purchased units from this lot. Hope this helps. Vic Thanks Vic! Yes that does help. This might be more of a question for the Tube ID sticky, but I was wondering how to tell from the information/markings on the tube that this tube belongs to that group (DTG2) Hmm, not sure as I have never seen a DTG2 for sale since a long while ago until now. Their was some conjecture (from a certain "few" NV companies) that these were never Mil-Spec tubes. Fact remains ANY tube built for a Mil entity is a "contract tube" and is built under that Mil Spec contract they set forth. In this case, is was the USAF who placed the contract for these tubes. Awhile ago during the conjecture drama of a few naysayers, a customer of ours actually contacted ITT (when somebody actually answered the phone) and verified the existence of the DTG2's under an AF contract. No data sheets were given at any time, as the contract specified no data sheets supplied. Hope this helps a bit more what I know about the DTG2's. 
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Hmm, not sure as I have never seen a DTG2 for sale since a long while ago until now. Their was some conjecture (from a certain "few" NV companies) that these were never Mil-Spec tubes. Fact remains ANY tube built for a Mil entity is a "contract tube" and is built under that Mil Spec contract they set forth. In this case, is was the USAF who placed the contract for these tubes. Awhile ago during the conjecture drama of a few naysayers, a customer of ours actually contacted ITT (when somebody actually answered the phone) and verified the existence of the DTG2's under an AF contract. No data sheets were given at any time, as the contract specified no data sheets supplied. Hope this helps a bit more what I know about the DTG2's.
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DTG2 tube. Milspec and Omni VI autogated. L3 tube and a nice tube. Hi Dino, could you explain what information you used to determine it was a Omni VI tube and possibly provide some more information/background on DTG2 tubes? I answered the DTG2 info above. The DTG2 tube was a Mil Spec Omni VI contract tube that was originally on a AF contract several years ago. There was approx. 600 units available at that time on a overrun the AF did not want that DRS sold off. Aurora Tactical and us purchased units from this lot. Hope this helps. Vic Thanks Vic! Yes that does help. This might be more of a question for the Tube ID sticky, but I was wondering how to tell from the information/markings on the tube that this tube belongs to that group (DTG2) Hmm, not sure as I have never seen a DTG2 for sale since a long while ago until now. Their was some conjecture (from a certain "few" NV companies) that these were never Mil-Spec tubes. Fact remains ANY tube built for a Mil entity is a "contract tube" and is built under that Mil Spec contract they set forth. In this case, is was the USAF who placed the contract for these tubes. Awhile ago during the conjecture drama of a few naysayers, a customer of ours actually contacted ITT (when somebody actually answered the phone) and verified the existence of the DTG2's under an AF contract. No data sheets were given at any time, as the contract specified no data sheets supplied. Hope this helps a bit more what I know about the DTG2's.
Vic Ah okay, thanks! Does the DTG2 designation only refer to that specific batch of 600 tubes from the canceled AF contract or is it more of a general term to describe commercially available milspec tubes originating from canceled military contracts? Or, in other words, are all DTG2 tubes Omni VI or could they be Omni VII or Omni VIII? Is DTG2 an acronym for something? |
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The seller took considerably less. Please be gentle, newb questions here. So that same seller has MX-10130D listed for $1400, while his equivalent MX-11789D was listed for $1100. Other than sellers choice, is it normal for an Omni IV/V equivalent PVS-7 tube be so much more than an Omni VI PVS-14 tube? Also, what's the chance of opening a "new" old stock tube with no data sheet and getting an unpleasant surprise in function? I know these are milspec, but for those of you with experience is this a risk? |
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Hi Dino, could you explain what information you used to determine it was a Omni VI tube and possibly provide some more information/background on DTG2 tubes? Quoted:
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DTG2 tube. Milspec and Omni VI autogated. L3 tube and a nice tube. Hi Dino, could you explain what information you used to determine it was a Omni VI tube and possibly provide some more information/background on DTG2 tubes? Vic already answered most of it. I will add it to my tube ID thread for future reference. I have seen DTG2 tubes many times before so I know what they look like and I also know the CAD date matches up for when they were produced. Also, you have a L3 milspec labeled tube with no contract number. Huge clue. I save contract numbers, CAD dates ,ID numbers and serial numbers on all tubes I see of interest to me. I am not right 100% of the time as it is part science and part educated guess.
I only know of DTG2 tubes being Omni VI and from the specific AF contract Vic described. There was a bunch of drama over it because it didn't have a contract number. A few guys here (including myself) made some calls to determine exactly what it was. I have a file on it somewhere and I will add more info once I get time to put it up on my tube ID thread. Vic used to sell these scopes and a few knuckleheads tried to say they were not full milspec. Lots of drama... |
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Vic already answered most of it. I will add it to my tube ID thread for future reference. I have seen DTG2 tubes many times before so I know what they look like and I also know the CAD date matches up for when they were produced. Also, you have a L3 milspec labeled tube with no contract number. Huge clue. I save contract numbers, CAD dates ,ID numbers and serial numbers on all tubes I see of interest to me. I am not right 100% of the time as it is part science and part educated guess.
I only know of DTG2 tubes being Omni VI and from the specific AF contract Vic described. There was a bunch of drama over it because it didn't have a contract number. A few guys here (including myself) made some calls to determine exactly what it was. I have a file on it somewhere and I will add more info once I get time to put it up on my tube ID thread. Vic used to sell these scopes and a few knuckleheads tried to say they were not full milspec. Lots of drama... Quoted:
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DTG2 tube. Milspec and Omni VI autogated. L3 tube and a nice tube. Hi Dino, could you explain what information you used to determine it was a Omni VI tube and possibly provide some more information/background on DTG2 tubes? Vic already answered most of it. I will add it to my tube ID thread for future reference. I have seen DTG2 tubes many times before so I know what they look like and I also know the CAD date matches up for when they were produced. Also, you have a L3 milspec labeled tube with no contract number. Huge clue. I save contract numbers, CAD dates ,ID numbers and serial numbers on all tubes I see of interest to me. I am not right 100% of the time as it is part science and part educated guess.
I only know of DTG2 tubes being Omni VI and from the specific AF contract Vic described. There was a bunch of drama over it because it didn't have a contract number. A few guys here (including myself) made some calls to determine exactly what it was. I have a file on it somewhere and I will add more info once I get time to put it up on my tube ID thread. Vic used to sell these scopes and a few knuckleheads tried to say they were not full milspec. Lots of drama... Thanks Dino! Sent you an IM 
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ITT has DTG2 tubes. Just want to correct myself while I am looking for my file on it. Been awhile and I am going from memory.
Litton and ITT supplied to the US military starting in 2007 MX-11769. NSN 5855-01-504-4590, p/n A3297320 (ITT) and A3297310 (Litton). These are Pinnacle autogated, OMNIBUS VI contract DAAB07-02-C-J009 ( ITT) or DAAB07-02-C-J010 (Litton). Some of these tubes were ITT tubes labeled as L3 (Litton) The DTG2 tubes were under a Omni VII (still checking on this) contract but had Omni VI specs. They are milspec tubes. I also have a ITT part number as A3297320-16. These are all Omni VI performance tubes. 
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As I recall, they were listed in ITT's tube specs a few years back. David has them in his tube chart with the following specifications, the same as were listed on the ITT brochures. Edit, Dino has the brochure data.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_18/317705_.html They seem to match up more with Omni V specs. |
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ITT has DTG2 tubes. Just want to correct myself while I am looking for my file on it. Been awhile and I am going from memory. Litton and ITT supplied to the US military in 2007 MX-11769. NSN 5855-01-504-4590, p/n A3297320 (ITT) and A3297310 (Litton). These are Pinnacle autogated, OMNIBUS VI contract DAAB07-02-C-J009 ( ITT) or DAAB07-02-C-J010 (Litton). Some of these tubes were ITT tubes labeled as L3 (Litton) The DTG2 tubes were under a Omni VII (still checking on this) contract but had Omni VI specs. They are milspec tubes. I also have a ITT part number as A3297320-16. These are all Omni VI performance tubes. http://imageshack.com/a/img538/3933/6igsps.jpg Were the Omni VI minimum specs for MX-11769's really that much lower than the MX-10160's? PC Sensitivity: - MX-10160 - 2000 - MX-11769/DTG2 - 1500 Signal to Noise Ratio: - MX-10160 - 25 - MX-11769/DTG2 - 21 I've been thinking about this lately that maybe I need to start taking a harder look at 10160's for the additional performance compared to 11769's, especially since I rarely mess with the gain knob anymore. |
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Were the Omni VI minimum specs for MX-11769's really that much lower than the MX-10160's? PC Sensitivity: - MX-10160 - 2000 - MX-11769/DTG2 - 1500 Signal to Noise Ratio: - MX-10160 - 25 - MX-11769/DTG2 - 21 I've been thinking about this lately that maybe I need to start taking a harder look at 10160's for the additional performance compared to 11769's, especially since I rarely mess with the gain knob anymore. Quoted:
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ITT has DTG2 tubes. Just want to correct myself while I am looking for my file on it. Been awhile and I am going from memory. Litton and ITT supplied to the US military in 2007 MX-11769. NSN 5855-01-504-4590, p/n A3297320 (ITT) and A3297310 (Litton). These are Pinnacle autogated, OMNIBUS VI contract DAAB07-02-C-J009 ( ITT) or DAAB07-02-C-J010 (Litton). Some of these tubes were ITT tubes labeled as L3 (Litton) The DTG2 tubes were under a Omni VII (still checking on this) contract but had Omni VI specs. They are milspec tubes. I also have a ITT part number as A3297320-16. These are all Omni VI performance tubes. http://imageshack.com/a/img538/3933/6igsps.jpg Were the Omni VI minimum specs for MX-11769's really that much lower than the MX-10160's? PC Sensitivity: - MX-10160 - 2000 - MX-11769/DTG2 - 1500 Signal to Noise Ratio: - MX-10160 - 25 - MX-11769/DTG2 - 21 I've been thinking about this lately that maybe I need to start taking a harder look at 10160's for the additional performance compared to 11769's, especially since I rarely mess with the gain knob anymore. No, the DTG2 tubes were a special case for an Air Force contract. My understanding is the min specs were relaxed some for that contract. Remember they were just the bare minimum specs. Most performed well above that. They were thin film autogated tubes sold under a Omni VII contract but the Air Force allowed lower specs. Not sure why but I can only assume price was the driving factor. The Air Force is the only folks I know that do this. They used non milspec tubes in Envis scopes but they had the silver bullet casing for EMP protection. The Air Force marches to their own drummer and come up with weird things to save dollars. All the drama was over this fact. Some said because the Air Force relaxed the min specs they were no longer Omni VII milspec tubes which they are. Since milspec tubes come with no data sheet we will never know unless someone spends the dollars to put them on a tester. Omni VI spec Omni VII tubes is my best answer as what to call them. All this said they are milspec tubes but the min specs were relaxed. Maybe it was a simple production issue thing and they needed them in a hurry so relaxed the specs. I don't think we will ever know all the facts on these tubes. All the ones I have looked through were all very nice tubes. |
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No, the DTG2 tubes were a special case for an Air Force contract. My understanding is the min specs were relaxed some for that contract. Remember they were just the bare minimum specs. Most performed well above that. They were thin film autogated tubes sold under a Omni VII contract but the Air Force allowed lower specs. Not sure why but I can only assume price was the driving factor. The Air Force is the only folks I know that do this. They used non milspec tubes in Envis scopes but they had the silver bullet casing for EMP protection. The Air Force marches to their own drummer and come up with weird things to save dollars. All the drama was over this fact. Some said because the Air Force relaxed the min specs they were no longer Omni VII milspec tubes which they are. Since milspec tubes come with no data sheet we will never know unless someone spends the dollars to put them on a tester. Omni VI spec Omni VII tubes is my best answer as what to call them. All this said they are milspec tubes but the min specs were relaxed. Maybe it was a simple production issue thing and they needed them in a hurry so relaxed the specs. I don't think we will ever know all the facts on these tubes. All the ones I have looked through were all very nice tubes. Quoted:
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ITT has DTG2 tubes. Just want to correct myself while I am looking for my file on it. Been awhile and I am going from memory. Litton and ITT supplied to the US military in 2007 MX-11769. NSN 5855-01-504-4590, p/n A3297320 (ITT) and A3297310 (Litton). These are Pinnacle autogated, OMNIBUS VI contract DAAB07-02-C-J009 ( ITT) or DAAB07-02-C-J010 (Litton). Some of these tubes were ITT tubes labeled as L3 (Litton) The DTG2 tubes were under a Omni VII (still checking on this) contract but had Omni VI specs. They are milspec tubes. I also have a ITT part number as A3297320-16. These are all Omni VI performance tubes. http://imageshack.com/a/img538/3933/6igsps.jpg Were the Omni VI minimum specs for MX-11769's really that much lower than the MX-10160's? PC Sensitivity: - MX-10160 - 2000 - MX-11769/DTG2 - 1500 Signal to Noise Ratio: - MX-10160 - 25 - MX-11769/DTG2 - 21 I've been thinking about this lately that maybe I need to start taking a harder look at 10160's for the additional performance compared to 11769's, especially since I rarely mess with the gain knob anymore. No, the DTG2 tubes were a special case for an Air Force contract. My understanding is the min specs were relaxed some for that contract. Remember they were just the bare minimum specs. Most performed well above that. They were thin film autogated tubes sold under a Omni VII contract but the Air Force allowed lower specs. Not sure why but I can only assume price was the driving factor. The Air Force is the only folks I know that do this. They used non milspec tubes in Envis scopes but they had the silver bullet casing for EMP protection. The Air Force marches to their own drummer and come up with weird things to save dollars. All the drama was over this fact. Some said because the Air Force relaxed the min specs they were no longer Omni VII milspec tubes which they are. Since milspec tubes come with no data sheet we will never know unless someone spends the dollars to put them on a tester. Omni VI spec Omni VII tubes is my best answer as what to call them. All this said they are milspec tubes but the min specs were relaxed. Maybe it was a simple production issue thing and they needed them in a hurry so relaxed the specs. I don't think we will ever know all the facts on these tubes. All the ones I have looked through were all very nice tubes. Great info...thank you Dino..pretty happy scooping one of these up for the price I did. |
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Thanks Vic! Yes that does help. This might be more of a question for the Tube ID sticky, but I was wondering how to tell from the information/markings on the tube that this tube belongs to that group (DTG2) Awhile ago during the conjecture drama of a few naysayers, a customer of ours actually contacted ITT (when somebody actually answered the phone) and verified the existence of the DTG2's under an AF contract. No data sheets were given at any time, as the contract specified no data sheets supplied. Hope this helps a bit more what I know about the DTG2's.
Vic Ah okay, thanks! Does the DTG2 designation only refer to that specific batch of 600 tubes from the canceled AF contract or is it more of a general term to describe commercially available milspec tubes originating from canceled military contracts? Or, in other words, are all DTG2 tubes Omni VI or could they be Omni VII or Omni VIII? Is DTG2 an acronym for something?
Hi Rich. I dug out my notes from a few years back. They were both built under Omni 6 and 7 and was designated from the AF. These were overun units and canceled in that regard. I do not know from my notes from ITT what the abbrev. DTG2 stood for but I'll see my other notes I have stored in another cabinet I have. I try to keep detailed records of everything we've offered. ITT is strange sometimes in their record keeping. I remember when the Night Enforcers released unrestricted for the first time. We had all the data sheets but could NOT sell them with the sheets due to ITT's big ITAR stuff that was going on. After a few years we were given the OK to ship with data sheets and supplied many original NE customers data sheets we had on file from their original systems. Blast from the past on several fronts... Vic |
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Hi Rich. I dug out my notes from a few years back. They were both built under Omni 6 and 7 and was designated from the AF. These were overun units and canceled in that regard. I do not know from my notes from ITT what the abbrev. DTG2 stood for but I'll see my other notes I have stored in another cabinet I have. I try to keep detailed records of everything we've offered. ITT is strange sometimes in their record keeping. I remember when the Night Enforcers released unrestricted for the first time. We had all the data sheets but could NOT sell them with the sheets due to ITT's big ITAR stuff that was going on. After a few years we were given the OK to ship with data sheets and supplied many original NE customers data sheets we had on file from their original systems. Blast from the past on several fronts... Vic Quoted:
Hi Rich. I dug out my notes from a few years back. They were both built under Omni 6 and 7 and was designated from the AF. These were overun units and canceled in that regard. I do not know from my notes from ITT what the abbrev. DTG2 stood for but I'll see my other notes I have stored in another cabinet I have. I try to keep detailed records of everything we've offered. ITT is strange sometimes in their record keeping. I remember when the Night Enforcers released unrestricted for the first time. We had all the data sheets but could NOT sell them with the sheets due to ITT's big ITAR stuff that was going on. After a few years we were given the OK to ship with data sheets and supplied many original NE customers data sheets we had on file from their original systems. Blast from the past on several fronts... Vic Dino and Vic, thank you for taking the time to look that up and reporting back. Without the experience and expertise of guys like y'all and many others on this site, it would be damn near impossible for people like me to even begin to navigate the strange and mysterious workings of the night vision world. Quoted:
Wow! nice one Rich, was that from the same auction? If so, it's one of those cases where what you recieved is better than the pics. That's a full contract tube, congrats! Yup. Hard to complain about that deal. There's one seller who is definitely getting some positive feedback.
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This is what I received in the mail: https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8601/16225591415_9ba85d2bd3_z.jpg All signs point to Omni VII as far as I can tell
Maybe the humidity was so bad in Texas that it fogged up you're computer screen and you bid on the wrong tube??? |
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Maybe the humidity was so bad in Texas that it fogged up you're computer screen and you bid on the wrong tube??? Quoted:
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This is what I received in the mail: https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8601/16225591415_9ba85d2bd3_z.jpg All signs point to Omni VII as far as I can tell
Maybe the humidity was so bad in Texas that it fogged up you're computer screen and you bid on the wrong tube??? 
Norbs don't make me challenge your tiny little state to a humidity contest! |
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This is what I received in the mail: https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8601/16225591415_9ba85d2bd3_z.jpg All signs point to Omni VII as far as I can tell
Maybe the humidity was so bad in Texas that it fogged up you're computer screen and you bid on the wrong tube???
Norbs don't make me challenge your tiny little state to a humidity contest! Better bring you're best poker face! 
It's 11 degrees and humid as hell here. |
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Better bring you're best poker face!
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This is what I received in the mail: https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8601/16225591415_9ba85d2bd3_z.jpg All signs point to Omni VII as far as I can tell
Maybe the humidity was so bad in Texas that it fogged up you're computer screen and you bid on the wrong tube???
Norbs don't make me challenge your tiny little state to a humidity contest! Better bring you're best poker face!
It's 11 degrees and humid as hell here. I heard that in Hell they say, "Man, it's humid as Texas in here!" |
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Not true.... I googled it... It said "Rich is full of shit"... True story. Quoted:
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I heard that in Hell they say, "Man, it's humid as Texas in here!" Not true.... I googled it... It said "Rich is full of shit"... True story. That's weird. When I googled it all I could find was this: 
If you don't believe me feel free to email him yourself 
Jay,  Norbs apologizes in advance for getting your thread locked
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I can't top that... you win For me?!?!? https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7494/16064387337_4d870b87f5_o.jpg And.... you sounded like a serious guy when we spoke over the phone... who knew!!  
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