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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:17:27 PM EDT
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I'm looking for a laser unit with an IR and a visible (either green or red) laser that are slaved for easy zeroing on rifles. What are my options?
POS Beamshot DIRL-GL with a green laser that's not made anymore I think. Besides, it's a Beamshot, but there's one on the EE for $400 right now. CQBL- around $750-$800. Has a remote switch, but no high/ low feature, and no real ND filter available. If it had a HI/Low switch or a good ND filter, I'd pull the trigger on it. DBAL-D2- around $1,700. Has an adjustable illuminator with ranges claimed out to 800 yards and a pressure pad, and I think the IR laser has a HI/Low setting to manage blooming. Only downside appears to be the price. L3 ATPIAL-C - $1,300 at TNVC. Has an illuminator and remote switch, but non-adjustable IR illuminator with a fairly limited range of about 150 yards per TNVC. I'd rather have the CQBL. LDI DBAL-PL- $780-$900- pistol light, short range illuminator, not ideal for a rifle. Are there other options out there currently? Some on the horizon? Basically, the dream version has the following: Slaved IR and red or green; IR laser has a Hi/Low setting or a good ND filter option; Good remote switch; IR illuminator is not a deal breaker either way; - basically a CQBL with green visible laser that works down to 20F and a Hi/Low switch with about a .2mW and .7mW Low/ Hi would be perfect (especially at MSRP of say, $750). I keep hearing that there are new ones in the pipe, but there are lots of things in the NV world that seem to indefinitely remain in the pipe. |
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I'd say you'll have to wait a bit to get exactly what you're looking for. Once the direct drive green lasers start becoming the norm I think we will see more products as you describe. I have owned a few CQBL's, I2's, and D2's and I now an X400V. I am not someone who cares much for visible lasers, so the surefire fits my needs the closest as weight is a big concern for me, but I still own a D2 with green and really like the unit a lot. The CQBL is my favorite model for laser only type devices, but no green option at this time, as you noted, as well as the other deficiencies for your specific needs probably reduce its appeal for you a lot. After reading about the PL I'd say pass on that one, especially for a rifle. Hopefully something similar is released, designed for a rifle, as the all in one units really help keep rifles setup for night vision shooting much simpler and lighter.
Something with the following would rock: 400 lumen+ white light IR laser illuminator .1 and .7mW IR laser settings Maybe an optional slaved direct drive green laser model as well Under 10oz Under $1000 Come on guys, I know it can be done! :) |
| I know you said it has to have slaved lasers, but If it is only to make it easier to zero then you really need to try the dbal i2. The adjustments are very consistent and repeatable. The clicks hold consistent value, although it is kind of large - 4cm at 100 meters per click. I just zeroed mine last weekend. The consistent clicks made it a piece of cake. Zero at 25 meters, check the first group with a ruler and click to where you want it, 1cm per click at 25 meters. And the unit has low and high power and a ND filter. I can make the IR laser dot just about any size I want. Plus the unit holds zero after R&R. I use an auxillary IR light on the side rail. |
| I like my Zenit PERST-4. Zenit is the Russian equivalent of KAC. The unit goes for about $600 on gunbroker. Its 7ozs and built like a tank. In addition to having slaved red/IR lasers, you can dial the brightness of the IR up and down which I find supremely useful. The finger controls for on/off and brightness are in just the right spot if mounted at the front of the 9 o'clock rail. Really I don't think it has a US equivalent and definitely not for the price. I have been meaning to write a review of it forever, hopefully I will once I get some free time. |
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I like my Zenit PERST-4. Zenit is the Russian equivalent of KAC. The unit goes for about $600 on gunbroker. Its 7ozs and built like a tank. In addition to having slaved red/IR lasers, you can dial the brightness of the IR up and down which I find supremely useful. The finger controls for on/off and brightness are in just the right spot if mounted at the front of the 9 o'clock rail. Really I don't think it has a US equivalent and definitely not for the price. I have been meaning to write a review of it forever, hopefully I will once I get some free time. Interesting. I'll have to check it out. As for the DBAL-I2, I want slaved to make life easier to swap the unit around on different rigs, and if a buddy wants to take his rifle hog hunting, he could borrow a PVS on a helmet and throw the slaved laser on his rifle and just zero the visible laser to his scope's zero at 100 yards and be done with it. |
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I went from a homemade IR laser, to a Lasmer-max uni IR, to a Crimson trace rail-master ir, to a DBLA-i2, and finally to a CQBL-1....
Slaved is a great feature in a laser since you just move the vis laser onto your day zero and you will be pretty much dead on with the IR. Hi/low is a very nice but in my opinion it isn't very important once you shoot past 50 meters or so. You can get a CQBL-1 from opticsplanet for like $600 currently. |
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You can get a CQBL-1 from opticsplanet for like $600 currently. I wish. List price is $828 and they'll knock it down to $750 if Live Chat them. If I could get it for $600, I'd be on it like a prom date. There's a Zenit unit on GB right now for $600. How has it worked for you? Are the adjustments clicks? How much does each click move the laser? |
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I wish. List price is $828 and they'll knock it down to $750 if Live Chat them. If I could get it for $600, I'd be on it like a prom date. Quoted:
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You can get a CQBL-1 from opticsplanet for like $600 currently. I wish. List price is $828 and they'll knock it down to $750 if Live Chat them. If I could get it for $600, I'd be on it like a prom date. damn. Yesterday it was $609. It seems to go down to that every week or two. Just check everyday. |
| Obviously, the market has some holes in it that need to be filled. Things I need in an IR laser are reasonable price, enviro sealing, and a Hi/Lo switch. A slaved visible laser would be nice too. Until someone builds the product I want, I'll just use the CTC Railmaster IR. Honestly, if it were sealed better and had a Hi/Lo, it would be perfect. The thought of spending $$$ to add another 1/2 pound of crap to the front of my carbine doesn't do much for me. The weight/size of the Railmaster is awesome. |
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I wish. List price is $828 and they'll knock it down to $750 if Live Chat them. If I could get it for $600, I'd be on it like a prom date. There's a Zenit unit on GB right now for $600. How has it worked for you? Are the adjustments clicks? How much does each click move the laser? Quoted:
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You can get a CQBL-1 from opticsplanet for like $600 currently. I wish. List price is $828 and they'll knock it down to $750 if Live Chat them. If I could get it for $600, I'd be on it like a prom date. There's a Zenit unit on GB right now for $600. How has it worked for you? Are the adjustments clicks? How much does each click move the laser? Not sure how much each click moves it. The instructions are in Russian. I just dialed it until it was on. Oleg on Gunbroker is a great guy to deal with- he is the one who imports them and where I got mine. He will definitely answer your questions. Yes- the downside is no real warranty. For the price I decided to roll the dice. It is Russian military issue so sure it is as tough as all their gear. That said I have been too scared to have it on my SCAR-17 since the reverse recoil is rumored to break scopes. I do have it on a SCAR-16 currently. It is made to take a full auto AK so hopefully it holds up, but I dont have enough rounds through it in this setup to tell yet. Really the only negative I have to say about it is that you need a hex wrench to change the 123A battery out, but I just keep one in my buttstock with a spare battery. Another thing I like about it is when put on the front of the 9 o'clock rail, the laser offset is very close to the bore. The units finger controls make it a logical spot to mount it. The problem with the SCAR is the top rail is much higher above the barrel than an AR. I have played with a PEQ-2 on top and an the side of a SCAR and its a large offset up top and too long a device to comfortable mount on the side. Probably minor for a lot for people but one less thing for me to think about. I use mine hunting pigs so accuracy is more important than minute of man. |
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