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Posted: 5/14/2013 8:31:30 AM EDT
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Was thinking of making the plunge and prefer goggles over the scope. Any thoughts on these and this site or other recommendations around this price range?
Also, are there issues with these types on goggles with how far they protrude from the face and where the optic/buttstock is run for the weapon? Lastly, how is the FOV if the monocular end in coincidence with a good cheekweld using a T-1 or micro optic? |
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When I was looking at PVS-7s I was looking at a white phosphor tube like these guys have: http://www.scoutbasecamp.com/product/armasight-pvs-7-goggles
There's been lots of good discussion on here though on why a single monocular can have advantages over the goggle-style systems. Increased field of view from one non-NV eye is the primary reason. |
| For stationary viewing or just strolling I prefer goggles or a bino system. For movement or driving I think a monocular is better. The monocular is best all around because it can do pretty much anything you want. For the kind of money your site listed for a PVS-7 I think a 14 would be a better choice. Shop around with the site vendors such as TNVC. Their pricing is competitive and they offer free advice whether you buy from them or not. |
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A goggle just gives you the illusion of binocular vision- the real FOV is no better than a monocular. Plus you don't get to use your dark-adjusted eye for anything, and in most conditions it IS useful.
From the mediocre tube specs I'm seeing on here recently coming out of "we also have night vision" dealers I'd get in line for a good tube at TNVC. |
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A goggle just gives you the illusion of binocular vision- the real FOV is no better than a monocular. Plus you don't get to use your dark-adjusted eye for anything, and in most conditions it IS useful. From the mediocre tube specs I'm seeing on here recently coming out of "we also have night vision" dealers I'd get in line for a good tube at TNVC. how does the monocular work with a two-eyes-open red dot system? |
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A goggle just gives you the illusion of binocular vision- the real FOV is no better than a monocular. Plus you don't get to use your dark-adjusted eye for anything, and in most conditions it IS useful. From the mediocre tube specs I'm seeing on here recently coming out of "we also have night vision" dealers I'd get in line for a good tube at TNVC. how does the monocular work with a two-eyes-open red dot system? You mount the monocular on the rifle behind the red dot and shoot with both eyes open if your brain can handle it or just go ahead and close one eye (assuming your red dot has a NV mode or you're using a 720 nm filter on your NV otherwise so the dot doesn't burn part of your tube). There are several quick on/off mounts for the PVS-14 available for that. The way a goggle sits on your face you can't reasonably shoulder a rifle and put your tube in-line with your sights anyway. In fact most people like to use IR aiming lasers and just keep the monocular mounted to a helmet and in front of their NON-dominant eye all the time. That way you can navigate and shoot alternatively without having to mount/dismount your NV device. |
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A goggle just gives you the illusion of binocular vision- the real FOV is no better than a monocular. Plus you don't get to use your dark-adjusted eye for anything, and in most conditions it IS useful. From the mediocre tube specs I'm seeing on here recently coming out of "we also have night vision" dealers I'd get in line for a good tube at TNVC. how does the monocular work with a two-eyes-open red dot system? You mount the monocular on the rifle behind the red dot and shoot with both eyes open if your brain can handle it or just go ahead and close one eye (assuming your red dot has a NV mode or you're using a 720 nm filter on your NV otherwise so the dot doesn't burn part of your tube). There are several quick on/off mounts for the PVS-14 available for that. The way a goggle sits on your face you can't reasonably shoulder a rifle and put your tube in-line with your sights anyway. In fact most people like to use IR aiming lasers and just keep the monocular mounted to a helmet and in front of their NON-dominant eye all the time. That way you can navigate and shoot alternatively without having to mount/dismount your NV device. Good info. You recommend TNVC for both IR Lasers and Monoculars? Any specific units? |
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A goggle just gives you the illusion of binocular vision- the real FOV is no better than a monocular. Plus you don't get to use your dark-adjusted eye for anything, and in most conditions it IS useful. From the mediocre tube specs I'm seeing on here recently coming out of "we also have night vision" dealers I'd get in line for a good tube at TNVC. how does the monocular work with a two-eyes-open red dot system? You mount the monocular on the rifle behind the red dot and shoot with both eyes open if your brain can handle it or just go ahead and close one eye (assuming your red dot has a NV mode or you're using a 720 nm filter on your NV otherwise so the dot doesn't burn part of your tube). There are several quick on/off mounts for the PVS-14 available for that. The way a goggle sits on your face you can't reasonably shoulder a rifle and put your tube in-line with your sights anyway. In fact most people like to use IR aiming lasers and just keep the monocular mounted to a helmet and in front of their NON-dominant eye all the time. That way you can navigate and shoot alternatively without having to mount/dismount your NV device. Good info. You recommend TNVC for both IR Lasers and Monoculars? Any specific units? Personnally, I went with a TNV/PVS-14 COMSPEC and a DBAL^I2 But if you don't need the visible laser the OTAL would be a good choice. I'm holding out however for a CIVL for my SBR's laser. |
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I have both a PVS-7B (as shown in your link) and a PVS-14 monocular. I would be happy with either if I could only keep one. The monocular is much more flexible as it can be mounted on a helmet or rifle. But for MY use as a civilian who currently doesn't hunt at night, the PVS-7 works well. It is more comfortable for ME, particularly when star gazing, mountain biking or wild life watching. My wife actually prefers the monocular. I have a bad astigmatism in both eyes as well as poor vision, so I like the bi-ocular better. If I had decent vision, I may like the monocular more. While I gain no depth perception and loose the dark adapted eye with PVS-7B, it is more comfortable. But I am actually putting together a dual tube unit (Anvis-6) to address the short comings of my PVS-7B (plus I got the housing fairly cheap on Ebay).
If you want a PVS-7B, I would look at buying used. They are under valued currently and a great bargain. You can get an early gen 3 PVS-7A for $800-1200 (look on the EE used optics section). Or a later gen 3 PVS-7B for $1200-1800. They are not as desired as the PVS-14 monocular and are less flexible. Some of the late gen 3 PVS-7 are autogated and have nearly the same tube performance as the current PVS-14 tubes. Now used PVS-14 start at $2000 and head up to $3000 pretty quickly. They are more desirable, hence the higher cost. You can also get used gen 3 units for under $2K, but it definitely is buyer beware. If you are going to shoot in the dark, IR lasers is the way to go (particularly with a PVS-7). You can get an IR laser starting at $200. So it can actually be cheaper than getting a nice optic with a NV setting. |
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Good info. You recommend TNVC for both IR Lasers and Monoculars? Any specific units? TNVC/PVS-14 with your choice of tube for the google. If you want a 5 year factory backed warranty, try their NEPVS-14-17 Night Enforcer by ITT. All good stuff. On the laser, get the DBAL D2 if you want (vis + ir) laser + ir illum, get the DBAL I2 if you want (vis + ir) laser (no illum), get the ITAL IR if you want ir laser only and don't have a front sight post, or the OTAL IR if you do have a front sight post. That arranges the lasers in order of most $$ to least $$. Don't get a cheap laser - LDI makes the top shelf stuff. |
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