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Posted: 9/17/2017 1:47:54 PM EDT
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Really thought I'd see this story posted in the thread: http://www.guns.com/2017/09/12/california-woman-charged-with-illegal-sbr-over-stock-less-1022/
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Posted: 9/17/2017 1:49:35 PM EDT
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Our county?
Surely the suppressor was found to be illegal subsequent to some other arrest. |
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Posted: 9/17/2017 1:51:30 PM EDT
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Weren't there approved eforms that the end user never actually got a stamp?
Why buy a stamp and photochop something up like that using a stamp from another form when you can just photochop up the whole thing? ETA: Don't do any of this, just pointing out I don't get why an actual stamp would have been used. |
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Posted: 9/17/2017 2:05:13 PM EDT
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ETA: Don't do any of this, just pointing out I don't get why an actual stamp would have been used. |
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Posted: 9/17/2017 2:07:51 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/17/2017 2:20:13 PM EDT
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And there you have it, would be NFA criminals.
Just use the eforms stamp method from the picture posted above. Don't use a physical stamp with numbers written on it that don't apply to your fake NFA number. Again, don't do any of this - don't be dumb. BUT if you do, don't be double dumb. Or we will mock you for it. |
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Posted: 9/17/2017 2:23:58 PM EDT
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Our county? Surely the suppressor was found to be illegal subsequent to some other arrest. |
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Posted: 9/17/2017 2:27:16 PM EDT
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And there you have it, would be NFA criminals. Just use the eforms stamp method from the picture posted above. Don't use a physical stamp with numbers written on it that don't apply to your fake NFA number. Again, don't do any of this - don't be dumb. BUT if you do, don't be double dumb. Or we will mock you for it. |
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Posted: 9/17/2017 2:40:04 PM EDT
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my question is about the can and how it was determined to be homemade. I want to know it if was one of the kits that used to be available or what. My interactions with local Leo is that most don't question because they know the process to get a can. And even then, never had one ask to see my approved stamps. Two possibilities.... a power tripping LEO, or a perp that is known to be a troublemaker / already engaged in other behaviors requiring LEO intervention, etc..... |
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Posted: 9/17/2017 2:55:28 PM EDT
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Happened down near Pelion. 
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Posted: 9/17/2017 2:59:42 PM EDT
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Undocumented tax stamp.
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Posted: 9/17/2017 3:05:07 PM EDT
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Happened down near Pelion. |
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Posted: 9/17/2017 4:08:02 PM EDT
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Must have been a felon or something and a stupid felon at that.
who the hell risks prison time for $200 |
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Posted: 9/17/2017 4:28:15 PM EDT
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Must have been a felon or something and a stupid felon at that. who the hell risks prison time for $200 It's amazing what those people will tell strangers they own at gun shops. /ETA my old FFL and friend used to have a side gig as a "firearms expert" and he would get hired by attorneys to provide expert testimony during trials. He would tell me most of the yahoos sold themselves out directly to the ATF by bragging to strangers about how they had this or that at gun shows or FLLS. ATF agents like to hang around those places and strike up conversations with people for this reason. |
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Posted: 9/17/2017 5:23:23 PM EDT
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How dumb are people. As if the guy building an illegal suppressor isn't dumb enough, but then to try and pass it off as legal. The guy definitely has more balls than brains.
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Posted: 9/17/2017 8:07:18 PM EDT
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The "What part of shall not be infringed don't you understand" crowd It's amazing what those people will tell strangers they own at gun shops. /ETA my old FFL and friend used to have a side gig as a "firearms expert" and he would get hired by attorneys to provide expert testimony during trials. He would tell me most of the yahoos sold themselves out directly to the ATF by bragging to strangers about how they had this or that at gun shows or FLLS. ATF agents like to hang around those places and strike up conversations with people for this reason. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Must have been a felon or something and a stupid felon at that. who the hell risks prison time for $200 It's amazing what those people will tell strangers they own at gun shops. /ETA my old FFL and friend used to have a side gig as a "firearms expert" and he would get hired by attorneys to provide expert testimony during trials. He would tell me most of the yahoos sold themselves out directly to the ATF by bragging to strangers about how they had this or that at gun shows or FLLS. ATF agents like to hang around those places and strike up conversations with people for this reason. But you can still work against gun grabbers and communists and stay out of the legal system for $200 only an idiot or a prohibited person especially with a family would risk 10 years in prison for $200 |
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Posted: 9/17/2017 10:46:30 PM EDT
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I am a what part of shall not be infringed dont you understand type guy But you can still work against gun grabbers and communists and stay out of the legal system for $200 only an idiot or a prohibited person especially with a family would risk 10 years in prison for $200 I haven't spoken to this guy since 1992, he knew nothing about me, didn't know that I used to work in LE and he jumps on FB and in 20 min offers to sell me illegal weapons. That's the crowd I'm talking about. |
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Posted: 9/17/2017 10:59:17 PM EDT
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That sounds more like an informant desperate for a hook.
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Posted: 9/17/2017 11:08:31 PM EDT
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That sounds more like an informant desperate for a hook. |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 4:29:08 PM EDT
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Trust me that crossed my mind as well! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That sounds more like an informant desperate for a hook. Either that or he is dumber than a box or rocks |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 1:00:27 AM EDT
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I was under the impression that South Carolina didn't have a law against suppressors. Not a "fine if it's in compliance with the NFA", but no law regarding suppressors at all.
http://www.scstatehouse.gov/code/t16c023.php Other NFA items are mentioned in state law, but not suppressors. Unless they are holding him for the feds I think he will walk. ETA: Sections 16-23-210 to 16-23-240 are the relevant sections here. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 11:09:55 AM EDT
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Guy is obviously an idiot, I'm sure he paid close to $200 for that tax stamp, why not do it right and be legal. Prob some Tin foil hat wearing goob who was afraid the ATF would raid his home so instead broke the law and actually got raided by the ATF. Idiot. Get lost, we don't need gun Owners like that in the NFA community.
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Posted: 9/19/2017 11:26:47 AM EDT
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Found out a little more info today...dude is a felon, and it was an oil filter with a threaded attachment. He tried to get away with it by saying "but I have a stamp"...smart, maybe, but dumb enough to not know he couldn't have a gun.
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Posted: 9/19/2017 11:34:00 AM EDT
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Nevermind.. see above. |
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Posted: 9/19/2017 11:35:42 AM EDT
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Nevermind.. see above. 
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Posted: 9/19/2017 4:49:21 PM EDT
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Found out a little more info today...dude is a felon, and it was an oil filter with a threaded attachment. He tried to get away with it by saying "but I have a stamp"...smart, maybe, but dumb enough to not know he couldn't have a gun. No matter how you look at it hes just plain stupid. |
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Posted: 9/20/2017 10:23:12 PM EDT
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This is purely a felon in possession situation then. Felons cannot be charged with NFA violations (Hayes vs US).
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Posted: 9/21/2017 9:48:18 PM EDT
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This is purely a felon in possession situation then. Felons cannot be charged with NFA violations (Hayes vs US).
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Posted: 9/22/2017 11:57:27 AM EDT
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Felons cannot be charged with NFA violations (Hayes vs US). |
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Posted: 9/22/2017 12:21:39 PM EDT
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Must have been a felon or something and a stupid felon at that. who the hell risks prison time for $200 A felon would plead to a firearm possession charge, most likely. |
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Posted: 9/22/2017 12:46:47 PM EDT
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Are you referring to 555 U.S. 415, U.S. v. Hayes out of SCOTUS in 2009? If so, it has nothing at all to do with NFA. If not, please elaborate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haynes_v._United_States The issue is this, the courts there ruled that a felon cannot be required to register an NFA weapon because that is an admission to a crime, for a felon (and everyone actually, according to other courts, but that's another topic all together). And we cannot compel anyone to incriminate themselves. Therefore, Felons cannot be prosecuted for NFA violations. They can be prosecuted for being in possession of a firearm however. |
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Posted: 9/22/2017 1:51:03 PM EDT
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Wonder if you catch more hell with a forged stamp than with a threaded oil filter. That was really a poor decision.
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Posted: 9/22/2017 2:28:32 PM EDT
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Since no one has said it, fuck NFA.
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Posted: 9/25/2017 11:21:18 PM EDT
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Since no one has said it, fuck NFA. |
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Posted: 9/26/2017 5:52:00 AM EDT
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Wonder if you catch more hell with a forged stamp than with a threaded oil filter. That was really a poor decision. |
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Posted: 9/26/2017 7:07:43 AM EDT
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It's actually Haynes... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haynes_v._United_States The issue is this, the courts there ruled that a felon cannot be required to register an NFA weapon because that is an admission to a crime, for a felon (and everyone actually, according to other courts, but that's another topic all together). And we cannot compel anyone to incriminate themselves. Therefore, Felons cannot be prosecuted for NFA violations. They can be prosecuted for being in possession of a firearm however. V |
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Posted: 9/26/2017 8:29:21 AM EDT
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Seems like a whole lot of risk to save $200.
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Posted: 9/26/2017 8:41:56 AM EDT
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I have 3 form 1's and 1 form 4 and the only actual hard copy of a stamp I have received was the Form 4. From what I read, that's pretty normal or should I be worried (I keep the approved on my phone in addition to hard copies in my bags).
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Posted: 9/26/2017 8:55:24 AM EDT
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Our county? Surely the suppressor was found to be illegal subsequent to some other arrest. illegal possession for unpaid tax and/or prohibited person specifics matter know where you're coming from so you know where you're going |
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Posted: 9/26/2017 9:22:38 AM EDT
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Wonder if you catch more hell with a forged stamp than with a threaded oil filter. That was really a poor decision. |
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Posted: 9/26/2017 1:05:26 PM EDT
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Not sure how the Feds would run with it, but I'd go for Felon in Possession AND a Forgery if I were presenting it to the DA. You could really rack those up if you wanted to. |
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Posted: 9/27/2017 6:10:14 AM EDT
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It's actually Haynes... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haynes_v._United_States The issue is this, the courts there ruled that a felon cannot be required to register an NFA weapon because that is an admission to a crime, for a felon (and everyone actually, according to other courts, but that's another topic all together). And we cannot compel anyone to incriminate themselves. Therefore, Felons cannot be prosecuted for NFA violations. They can be prosecuted for being in possession of a firearm however. Knowingly attempting to pass a counterfeit tax stamp = fraud. |
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Posted: 10/14/2017 6:24:26 PM EDT
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The "What part of shall not be infringed don't you understand" crowd It's amazing what those people will tell strangers they own at gun shops. /ETA my old FFL and friend used to have a side gig as a "firearms expert" and he would get hired by attorneys to provide expert testimony during trials. He would tell me most of the yahoos sold themselves out directly to the ATF by bragging to strangers about how they had this or that at gun shows or FLLS. ATF agents like to hang around those places and strike up conversations with people for this reason. |
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Posted: 11/28/2017 9:13:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's actually Haynes... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haynes_v._United_States The issue is this, the courts there ruled that a felon cannot be required to register an NFA weapon because that is an admission to a crime, for a felon (and everyone actually, according to other courts, but that's another topic all together). And we cannot compel anyone to incriminate themselves. Therefore, Felons cannot be prosecuted for NFA violations. They can be prosecuted for being in possession of a firearm however. I don’t know which is messed up more, Firearm laws or the tax code. |
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Posted: 11/29/2017 4:02:26 PM EDT
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A decent lawyer will plead it down to "possession of a firearm not readily identifiable as a firearm". 1 year probation and expunged record after that year. That is if there were no other circumstances. A felon would plead to a firearm possession charge, most likely. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Must have been a felon or something and a stupid felon at that. who the hell risks prison time for $200 A felon would plead to a firearm possession charge, most likely. |
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Posted: 11/29/2017 4:21:17 PM EDT
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Seems to me, if you do get caught, your sentence is going to be much less than the NFA customary 10 years. |
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Posted: 11/29/2017 6:01:06 PM EDT
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Not sure how the Feds would run with it, but I'd go for Felon in Possession AND a Forgery if I were presenting it to the DA. |
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Posted: 12/2/2017 5:28:16 PM EDT
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Until I read this thread I had no clue you buy a stamp on ebay but there are lots of them on there cheap.
What would be the purpose of buying one like that? The stamps I saw during a quick ebay scan looked like they had been cut off a form 4 so they would be useless to the buyer wouldn't they? I don't get it. 
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Posted: 12/2/2017 6:35:58 PM EDT
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Until I read this thread I had no clue you buy a stamp on ebay but there are lots of them on there cheap. What would be the purpose of buying one like that? The stamps I saw during a quick ebay scan looked like they had been cut off a form 4 so they would be useless to the buyer wouldn't they? I don't get it. |
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Posted: 12/2/2017 6:43:59 PM EDT
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Until I read this thread I had no clue you buy a stamp on ebay but there are lots of them on there cheap. What would be the purpose of buying one like that? The stamps I saw during a quick ebay scan looked like they had been cut off a form 4 so they would be useless to the buyer wouldn't they? I don't get it. |
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