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Posted: 9/2/2017 10:32:58 AM EDT
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I fingerprinted myself.
The local police stations are clueless. They will print you but only use their own papers - not suitable for NFA, etc. Not worth arguing with them, they getting their egos disjointed at any suggestion that they don't know everything. So, I ordered a stack of form, I created templates in word and scanned in my prints. I added them to the templates and now I print them at will. I sign them as the person being printed and the one that did the prints. |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 10:50:25 AM EDT
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On scanning your own fingerprints, do you have a print scanner or did you print yourself with black ink on white paper, and scanned them in? I have plenty of scanners and ink pads.
Have you already sent some of your copied cards and had them approved? Very neat idea Mark |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 1:40:29 PM EDT
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Anyone properly equipped to take them.
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Posted: 9/2/2017 4:49:01 PM EDT
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Anyone properly equipped to take them. Vellnueve is correct - if you have an ink pad, you can take prints. |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 5:14:17 PM EDT
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Anyone properly equipped to take them. |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 5:25:58 PM EDT
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Anyone properly equipped to take them. The "employer and address" should be that of the person being printed. |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 5:37:32 PM EDT
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On scanning your own fingerprints, do you have a print scanner or did you print yourself with black ink on white paper, and scanned them in? I have plenty of scanners and ink pads. Have you already sent some of your copied cards and had them approved? Very neat idea Mark I then lined them up on a template. Yes, I have approvals back. |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 5:46:01 PM EDT
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I had my school district, my employer, do it. I guess they just assumed it was for a license renewal or something. They didn't question and I didn't say.
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Posted: 9/5/2017 9:26:19 AM EDT
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I'm so glad I live where I live. My county sheriffs office is a 10 minute drive away and does them for free with no appointment necessary. They are very nice and are fun to talk with while getting my prints rolled.
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Posted: 9/6/2017 9:57:10 AM EDT
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can anyone provide a sample of how the ATF finger print card should be filled out?
Like just put 123 fake street, jon doe kind of thing. Also for a trust are we supposed to put "Jon Doe, Trustee" like we do when we fill out the form 1 & 4s? or just sign our name? |
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Posted: 9/6/2017 10:03:00 AM EDT
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1. leave blank 2. sign 3. enter your address 4. enter date printed 5. sign 6. enter “Self” and your address again 7. enter reason; some examples from those with approved cards are “NFA”, “NFA Transfer” (for F4), “NFA Application” (for F1), “Form 1”, and “Form 4” 8. enter Last Name, First Name and Middle Name 9. enter aliases or leave blank 10. enter your Citizenship (U.S. is proper format based on FBI guide) 11. leave blank 12. leave blank 13. leave blank 14. enter your SSN (optional) 15. leave blank 16. should have the NFA ORI stamped 17. leave blank 18. enter your date of birth, in MM DD YYYY format 19. enter your sex (M/F…or see info in FBI guide below) 20. enter your race (see list in FBI guide below if needed) 21. enter height in feet and inches (format info in FBI guide below) 22. enter weight in pounds 23. enter eye color (see list in FBI guide below) 24. enter hair color (see list in FBI guide below) 25. enter place of birth (state, territory, province or country) 26. leave blank 27. provide prints…roll the individual prints in rows 1-2 and press the ones in the 3rd row, as seen below |
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Posted: 9/6/2017 10:13:37 AM EDT
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awesome, thanks!
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Posted: 9/6/2017 10:13:47 AM EDT
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can anyone provide a sample of how the ATF finger print card should be filled out? Like just put 123 fake street, jon doe kind of thing. Also for a trust are we supposed to put "Jon Doe, Trustee" like we do when we fill out the form 1 & 4s? or just sign our name? |
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Posted: 9/6/2017 3:25:02 PM EDT
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There's a massive walk through in the stickies. 
Full write-up with additional info here: How to fill out an FD-258LE fingerprint card |
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Posted: 9/6/2017 4:06:25 PM EDT
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Yep...and poster above "borrowed" my pic and instructions from the sticky.
[/url] And what do you know I go back and look and it says 'Courtesy of BigWaylon'... Can't win, your art is everywhere.... |
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Posted: 9/6/2017 9:51:57 PM EDT
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Haha. Close! But not intentional. I googled "NFA Fingerprint Card Example", landed here: http://www.texasnfatrust.com/fingerprints-how-to-do-them----fd-258le.html And what do you know I go back and look and it says 'Courtesy of BigWaylon'... Can't win, your art is everywhere.... 
Yeah...Sean Cody asked if he could repost the whole thing. It's on Texas Gun Talk (or something close to that) and was also going to be on his site, which it appears it now is (even if that's one of the worst mobile sites I've ever seen). ...but you didn't give him credit, either
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Posted: 9/7/2017 12:43:53 AM EDT
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I've done my own prints and had good results. I called ATF NFA and talked with an agent who was OK with me doing my own fingerprints. Got a MAC with them.
I use a SIRCHIE pad from eBay ($3.50 back a couple of years). You don't need a card holder but it does make it a bit easier. Practice a bit and you can do great prints. |
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Posted: 9/8/2017 8:50:31 AM EDT
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I've done my own prints and had good results. I called ATF NFA and talked with an agent who was OK with me doing my own fingerprints. Got a MAC with them. I use a SIRCHIE pad from eBay ($3.50 back a couple of years). You don't need a card holder but it does make it a bit easier. Practice a bit and you can do great prints. 
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Posted: 9/8/2017 11:26:33 PM EDT
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You can also scan completed print cards with a scanner and edit the image, so you can reproduce finished cards from your printer without having to roll the person again.
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Posted: 9/9/2017 11:39:15 AM EDT
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Whoops. I put employer and address as the person who did my prints (LSP Crime Lab). Will they deny my cards for not filling that part out right?
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Posted: 9/9/2017 12:02:05 PM EDT
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Whoops. I put employer and address as the person who did my prints (LSP Crime Lab). Will they deny my cards for not filling that part out right? |
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Posted: 9/9/2017 12:26:57 PM EDT
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I've never heard of a denial for anything in that box, correct or not. I think that's a common mistake.
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Posted: 9/14/2017 12:56:18 PM EDT
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My local PD has a livescan system and it automatically saves prints for six months from the last printing. I just walk in, hand then a stack of FD cards, and they print them for me in about 15 seconds. Only reason I'm not doing this myself is because I have a shitty inkjet printer, but I just ordered a new laser printer for my office and you can be damn sure I'll be printing my own ASAP.
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Posted: 9/15/2017 11:46:21 PM EDT
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This. The "employer and address" should be that of the person being printed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anyone properly equipped to take them. The "employer and address" should be that of the person being printed. Not according to the instructions on the back of the fingerprint card, |
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Posted: 9/16/2017 7:04:54 AM EDT
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Those instructions are poorly written. The contributor is indicated by the ORI field. "Private contractor" would be the place the applicant is attempting to gain employment with.
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Posted: 9/16/2017 7:35:35 AM EDT
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I'm so glad I live where I live. My county sheriffs office is a 10 minute drive away and does them for free with no appointment necessary. They are very nice and are fun to talk with while getting my prints rolled. |
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Posted: 9/16/2017 12:44:21 PM EDT
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I just got the right cards and took them to the local PD. They were totally cool. Did as many as I wanted for $10.00. The guy was laughing at me once he found out what I needed them for. He said "with this many cards you can buy silencers and SBRs for the next 10 years.".
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Posted: 9/16/2017 5:56:18 PM EDT
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Those instructions are poorly written. The contributor is indicated by the ORI field. "Private contractor" would be the place the applicant is attempting to gain employment with. |
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Posted: 9/16/2017 6:38:34 PM EDT
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You can leave it blank. Like I posted earlier, it really doesn't matter.
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Posted: 9/16/2017 9:02:04 PM EDT
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You can leave it blank. Like I posted earlier, it really doesn't matter. |
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Posted: 9/17/2017 10:11:47 AM EDT
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You can also scan completed print cards with a scanner and edit the image, so you can reproduce finished cards from your printer without having to roll the person again. Can you explain this to me like you would a 5 year old please? I am technologically handicapped when it comes to stuff like this. I have an order when I come back to the states on R&R that I need to fill out. It will be 8 NFA items, so 16 cards. I currently have a scanner and printer. I have two completed fingerprint cards with me as well. I can order more of the blank cards and have them shipped over here so that I can get it all ready. My questions is what are the steps to get the prints on the blank cards, and then to print them out? I apologize if the questions is dumb, but this would be awesome if I can get this to work. Thanks in advance. |
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Posted: 9/17/2017 7:29:40 PM EDT
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Set your scanner to scan at 500 ppi. You want to import a completed card, then crop the image to exactly 8x8". At 500 ppi, it will be 4000x4000 pixels. I recommend you save as a PNG so there will be no distortion. JPEG tends to pixilate.
Open your saved image in MS Paint, and edit out everything you don't want to print onto the blank cards, so you should just leave the fingerprints and the data for the fields. Now printing will be the hard part. You'll have to find the correct settings (and orientation) to get your printer to output 8x8" onto the blank card(s). Look for "Actual Size" as that's usually the option needed. You may have to experiment a little. You may find that you need to go back and reposition the whole image in MS Paint a little bit. If so, "select all" (Ctrl+A) and then drag it in the correct direction. I recommend using a laser printer (as opposed to an inkjet printer). Once you're all set, be sure to save that file in several locations. |
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Posted: 9/18/2017 1:16:37 PM EDT
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^^^^ thank you.
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Posted: 9/27/2017 7:20:23 AM EDT
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Practice a bit and you can do great prints. 1. Ever notice that you can't extend your ring finger without either the middle or pinky coming with it? The reason is that you only have 3 muscles to extend 4 fingers. The ring finger shares a portion of each of the two muscles that otherwise operate those two fingers next to it. This is why it really does help to have someone else doing your prints, and why you're always being told to relax your hand and not try to help. 2. Make sure the person being printed is standing full arms length away from the card. The forearm doesn't rotate well enough. So, with the elbow straight, shoulder rotation helps to get a clean roll from one side to the other without slipping or twisting. 3. Just like "righty tighty, lefty loosey" for nuts and bolts - remember "Fingers from, Thumbs toward". Even though the shoulder has more rotation than the forearm, it still has it's limits. Rolling towards the end of the shoulder's range of mobility can trigger a muscle reflex to stop the movement, which can cause the print to slip. Rolling away from the edge of our range of motion reduces the chance of a slip. When rolling the prints, start from the outside edge of the thumb (near the rearward limit of the shoulder rotation) and roll it inward - and the inside edge of the fingers (turning the shoulder towards it's forward limit) rolling them outward. BigWaylon, feel free to add this to your guide, if you want. |
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Posted: 9/27/2017 1:00:27 PM EDT
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I can offer a couple tips to get you started, and maybe reduce the amount of practice needed. This is all based on human biology/physiology: BigWaylon, feel free to add this to your guide, if you want. |
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Posted: 10/10/2017 5:29:52 PM EDT
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Set your scanner to scan at 500 ppi. You want to import a completed card, then crop the image to exactly 8x8". At 500 ppi, it will be 4000x4000 pixels. I recommend you save as a PNG so there will be no distortion. JPEG tends to pixilate. Open your saved image in MS Paint, and edit out everything you don't want to print onto the blank cards, so you should just leave the fingerprints and the data for the fields. Now printing will be the hard part. You'll have to find the correct settings (and orientation) to get your printer to output 8x8" onto the blank card(s). Look for "Actual Size" as that's usually the option needed. You may have to experiment a little. You may find that you need to go back and reposition the whole image in MS Paint a little bit. If so, "select all" (Ctrl+A) and then drag it in the correct direction. I recommend using a laser printer (as opposed to an inkjet printer). Once you're all set, be sure to save that file in several locations. |
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Posted: 10/10/2017 6:08:27 PM EDT
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Anyone have any cheap source for these cards?
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Posted: 10/10/2017 7:43:14 PM EDT
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anyone have a cheap source |
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Posted: 10/10/2017 8:27:57 PM EDT
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Question for you, I a trying to do this but a hung up. The areas on the lower left and right of the card where you do the hand slap, my prints are on top of the blue writing on the card. How did you get the blue writing out of the image so it just shows the prints? If you can't readily do that, the next best way would be to replicate the slap on white paper (with your own ink) and edit the slap onto your scan in the correct location (not covering the text). |
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Posted: 10/12/2017 1:34:46 PM EDT
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It would be best if you could scan a card which doesn't have any fingerprints overlapping the blue text. If you can't readily do that, the next best way would be to replicate the slap on white paper (with your own ink) and edit the slap onto your scan in the correct location (not covering the text). |
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Posted: 10/13/2017 11:37:26 PM EDT
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Anyone have any cheap source for these cards? And they’re fast to ship. |
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