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Posted: 1/16/2016 12:09:13 PM EDT
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http://www.lawofficer.com/articles/print/volume-10/issue-7/full-auto/semi-vs-full-auto-weapons.html
Good article for those new to MGs or if you're trying to train/explain to new shooters how and why full auto is used in real world situations EDIT: Additional info for those interested. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/3-22-68/index.html Army Manuals on shooting the M60, M249, M240B, etc... some pretty good info. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/3-22-9/fm3-22-9_c1_2011.pdf Info on the M4/M16, in particular section 7-8 through 7-12 explain when to use semi vs auto fire. |
| Wow thanks for posting this article. I've been looking for something like this to read and never could find anything. It's a completely different skill to shoot full auto, and unless you've been in the military or law enforcement it's not easy to learn the "right way" to shoot them. There's very little out there to help. Luckily a friend who is a retired LEO, who was a firearms instructor, has given me some pointers that have actually helped a lot. |
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Any other tips from some you you veteran machine gun owners? Skilled operator should be able to run off a burst of any length on a reasonable ROF MG. Burst selector positions are not needed (but fun). With skill and practice, any MG is very controllable: 
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Any other tips from some you you veteran machine gun owners? As mentioned in the article, muzzle climb is mostly due to improper stance and poor technique. Anyone who's shot full auto enough can keep the muzzle pretty much on target during even long bursts; even in rifle calibers. |
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Quoted: Wow thanks for posting this article. I've been looking for something like this to read and never could find anything. It's a completely different skill to shoot full auto, and unless you've been in the military or law enforcement it's not easy to learn the "right way" to shoot them. There's very little out there to help. Luckily a friend who is a retired LEO, who was a firearms instructor, has given me some pointers that have actually helped a lot. The Army never taught me shit about shooting, And sure as shit never taught me to shoot FA carbine. The Army training is about checking boxes and staying in the green. |
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Quoted: Wow thanks for posting this article. I've been looking for something like this to read and never could find anything. It's a completely different skill to shoot full auto, and unless you've been in the military or law enforcement it's not easy to learn the "right way" to shoot them. There's very little out there to help. Luckily a friend who is a retired LEO, who was a firearms instructor, has given me some pointers that have actually helped a lot. That's complete bullshit. |
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The biggest problem I have seen with MG owners is usually they do not know the proper and safe drills to clearing and making safe open bolt weapons. If you treat an open bolt machine gun like a semi auto you are headed for a ND at minimum and possibly disaster. I have seen one owner shoot their own hand because of this and numerous NDs due to ignorance of proper malfunction clearance procedures. |
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The biggest problem I have seen with MG owners is usually they do not know the proper and safe drills to clearing and making safe open bolt weapons. If you treat an open bolt machine gun like a semi auto you are headed for a ND at minimum and possibly disaster. I have seen one owner shoot their own hand because of this and numerous NDs due to ignorance of proper malfunction clearance procedures. Yeah no kidding. I was at the range with 4 other shooters, one shooter called for a cease fire, myself and two others cleared the guns and the last guy with his daughter said their clear and yet still had a mag in their M16 with the bolt forward  So I yelled range still hot, clear your weapon! WTF!
Not trying to be a dick but when I show up at the range I always introduce myself to shooters and let everyone know I've got an eyeball on them and if you fuck up I'm coming over. Conversely if you see me FU, let me know! Got to keep the sport safe. |
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I go shooting a lot. A lot. I have never seen another person at the range with a machine gun. Texas has a very high NFA ownership rate. Where are you guys running into these people with their MGs? Open bolt or closed bolt, reckless or not, I've never seen anyone with one. F/A shooting is a lost skill because the guns are so rare. F/A myths are plentiful. |
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Quoted: I should have chosen my wording better above. I mean experience. That's why right way was in quotes though. By being in the military or possibly LE, I would think you would have more experience with FA than I or any other civilain would, that's all I meant. you would think that, but I am never shot Less in my life then in the Army. Yes I shoot cool beltfeds for 200 rds. once a yr maybe. But the dumb shit I see people do is crazy. People in the army do something once and think they know it (know it all) and that is a dangerous fucker there. know what I mean? |
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Quoted: I go shooting a lot. A lot. I have never seen another person at the range with a machine gun. Texas has a very high NFA ownership rate. Where are you guys running into these people with their MGs? Open bolt or closed bolt, reckless or not, I've never seen anyone with one. F/A shooting is a lost skill because the guns are so rare. F/A myths are plentiful. This other then a Arfcom MG shoot or other MG shoots, I have seen one MG in the wild. Tom from Spikes Tac was shooting a Posty he built. Thats it. |
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This other then a Arfcom MG shoot or other MG shoots, I have seen one MG in the wild. Tom from Spikes Tac was shooting a Posty he built. Thats it. Quoted:
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I go shooting a lot. A lot. I have never seen another person at the range with a machine gun. Texas has a very high NFA ownership rate. Where are you guys running into these people with their MGs? Open bolt or closed bolt, reckless or not, I've never seen anyone with one. F/A shooting is a lost skill because the guns are so rare. F/A myths are plentiful. This other then a Arfcom MG shoot or other MG shoots, I have seen one MG in the wild. Tom from Spikes Tac was shooting a Posty he built. Thats it. Ive come across two MGs in the wild. One guy was shooting a AK47 at a indoor public range once, a crowd formed on the other side of the glass to watch him. Second was a UZI, the guy wasnt shooting it as he was just there to fill out a Form 4 for it. |
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Quoted: I go shooting a lot. A lot. I have never seen another person at the range with a machine gun. Texas has a very high NFA ownership rate. Where are you guys running into these people with their MGs? Open bolt or closed bolt, reckless or not, I've never seen anyone with one. F/A shooting is a lost skill because the guns are so rare. F/A myths are plentiful. I guess you have never been to any of the Texas MG shoots over the years. Every year there use to be a ARF machine gun shoot get together at new years until a dumb ass shot and nearly killed another person. Currently there are 3 known regular MG shoots in Texas though they are all invite only. There use to be a lot more before the shut down the national forest range, location of the said ND that perforated the guys hand. |
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http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/3-22-68/index.html
Army Manuals on shooting the M60, M249, M240B, etc... some pretty good info. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/3-22-9/fm3-22-9_c1_2011.pdf Info on the M4/M16, in particular section 7-8 through 7-12 explain when to use semi vs auto fire. |
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