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Posted: 9/13/2013 7:51:21 AM EDT
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Back in February of this year I sent in a Form 1 for a 9mm AR Im building... as usual... the ATF cashed the check right away and than proceeded to wait. June comes around and I get my form 1's back in the mail... forgot to put my name at the top of the LEO sign off portion. Doh! Either way, fill it in and overnight it via Fedex back to the ATF. Life should be dandy... or so I think. Today I call the ATF to check on its status and they tell me they have nothing under my name and that serial number. So that being said... what should my next step be? The package was signed for by T. Yunkins. Anyone ever dealt with this before? Im a bit bamboozled as to what to do next or who to talk to about it...
Payment is either the 3/5 or the 3/15 one: 
Heres the Delivery Confirmation: (yes... I sent it from CA, I just happened to be out here on a work trip when i returned it with corrections) 
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Well... Bit of good news!
Called again and this time the person that answered couldn't find the form... however, instead of being all "Oh well", he transferred me to J. Robertson and I gotta say... really nice, helpful guy! Looked me up in the system, and found all my past approved and pending forms... and found the one I was missing! (helps that I have an extremely uncommon last name I imagine) Turns out that the form was approved and mailed out... just never made it to me. Told me all I have to do is mail them a letter with the name and serial number and they would make a certified copy of the approved form and mail it back to me. Also, he gave me an update on my other pending form 1 and form 4... nice! So maybe theres a light at the end of the rainbow :D |
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My first step would be to speak with the agent that had mailed them back to you and find out who the person was that signed for it. Oh ya, Document EVERYTHING!!! Don't get too caught up in the idea that you can prove them wrong with better organization. Just because you can shown them someone signed for your package does not mean they can find it. You will end up very frustrated spending the time and money to verify everything when in the end they just don't have it. On a more practical level, you have to remember that mail is screened at ATF, especially third-party services like FedEx.. The guy who signed for your FedEx letter is likely not even a mail room clerk but a contractor at an offsite location. Having a delivery name means absolutely nothing to your examiner and you cannot send your examiner anything directly unless it is fax or email. So don't give signature service and delivery confirmation too much weight here, it doesn't work that way on the other end. Best insurance you can provide in this process is to confirm your application is complete and correct before you send it. |
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Don't get too caught up in the idea that you can prove them wrong with better organization. Just because you can shown them someone signed for your package does not mean they can find it. You will end up very frustrated spending the time and money to verify everything when in the end they just don't have it. On a more practical level, you have to remember that mail is screened at ATF, especially third-party services like FedEx.. The guy who signed for your FedEx letter is likely not even a mail room clerk but a contractor at an offsite location. Having a delivery name means absolutely nothing to your examiner and you cannot send your examiner anything directly unless it is fax or email. So don't give signature service and delivery confirmation too much weight here, it doesn't work that way on the other end. Best insurance you can provide in this process is to confirm your application is complete and correct before you send it. Quoted:
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My first step would be to speak with the agent that had mailed them back to you and find out who the person was that signed for it. Oh ya, Document EVERYTHING!!! Don't get too caught up in the idea that you can prove them wrong with better organization. Just because you can shown them someone signed for your package does not mean they can find it. You will end up very frustrated spending the time and money to verify everything when in the end they just don't have it. On a more practical level, you have to remember that mail is screened at ATF, especially third-party services like FedEx.. The guy who signed for your FedEx letter is likely not even a mail room clerk but a contractor at an offsite location. Having a delivery name means absolutely nothing to your examiner and you cannot send your examiner anything directly unless it is fax or email. So don't give signature service and delivery confirmation too much weight here, it doesn't work that way on the other end. Best insurance you can provide in this process is to confirm your application is complete and correct before you send it. Quoted:
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My first step would be to speak with the agent that had mailed them back to you and find out who the person was that signed for it. Oh ya, Document EVERYTHING!!! Don't get too caught up in the idea that you can prove them wrong with better organization. Just because you can shown them someone signed for your package does not mean they can find it. You will end up very frustrated spending the time and money to verify everything when in the end they just don't have it. On a more practical level, you have to remember that mail is screened at ATF, especially third-party services like FedEx.. The guy who signed for your FedEx letter is likely not even a mail room clerk but a contractor at an offsite location. Having a delivery name means absolutely nothing to your examiner and you cannot send your examiner anything directly unless it is fax or email. So don't give signature service and delivery confirmation too much weight here, it doesn't work that way on the other end. Best insurance you can provide in this process is to confirm your application is complete and correct before you send it. Best insurance you can provide in this process is to confirm your application is complete and correct before you send it. This doesn't always work either. I had my Form 1 returned saying I needed to switch the info in block 4a and 4h. It was correct the way I had it when first sent, but it started life as an 80% receiver so I guess that confused the examiner. |
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[ This doesn't always work either. I had my Form 1 returned saying I needed to switch the info in block 4a and 4h. It was correct the way I had it when first sent, but it started life as an 80% receiver so I guess that confused the examiner. That certainly does happen, but when you are right you get to clear it up with a mere phone call rather than more movement of paper. Far more pleasant experience... |
The NFA branch sent me one of those correction form letters almost a year after I received back an approved Form 1 for my SBS.  The form was fille dout in the section for "other" and asked what the F1 approval date was. They left their direct number so I called and left a message with what I think they wanted, Never heard back from them again.
Edit to add in the following: See I sent the NFA branch my Form 1 about a Month before the Alabama law allowing civilian ownership and possession of SBR/SBS went into effect. It was filed as an Indvidual, and the CLEO signed off on it because they already knew the governor signed the bill making it law. I even called the NFA branch and was told yes I could go ahead and file since they wouldn't get to it after the law took effect anyway, LOL. Basically I'm just saying not surprised that the NFA branch did that to you. LOL |
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That certainly does happen, but when you are right you get to clear it up with a mere phone call rather than more movement of paper. Far more pleasant experience... Quoted:
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[ This doesn't always work either. I had my Form 1 returned saying I needed to switch the info in block 4a and 4h. It was correct the way I had it when first sent, but it started life as an 80% receiver so I guess that confused the examiner. That certainly does happen, but when you are right you get to clear it up with a mere phone call rather than more movement of paper. Far more pleasant experience... I'm not sure what you mean by only a phone call without more movement of paper. When they sent the error letter they sent both original Form 1's to be corrected. All that paperwork had to be sent back and no telling what stage of processing it sits now. |
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