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11/9/2012 2:28:12 PM EDT
While this may not be correct spot to post this, I still feel it fits as it could cause legal machine gun owners to give up their $15,000+ guns..

While I do not have any MG's this concerns me... This ban wouldn't grandfather anything and people would be forced to hand over their guns and high caps.

Gun ban in the works

Thoughts??
11/9/2012 2:37:15 PM EDT
[#1]
It is all in their dream world....no way, I repeat, NO WAY could they implement a system where no grandfathering was allowed...It would be easier for them in the long run but they simply don't have the man power to enforce this.  The ATF would likely need to be the ones, legally, running it and they do not have the numbers.  In that train of thought, local PDs would be asked to assist and they don't have the numbers or time, either.

Just can't happen that way.  If a ban is reinstated, it won't be without grandfathering.


ETA: Surely they know people will not simply throw their firearms away but that would be the only alternative to relying on local PD and I am telling you, there are not enough resources for that.
11/9/2012 2:42:44 PM EDT
[#2]
probably won't make it's way through congress in the way specified in the constitution.  but gun control will be on their agenda.  look for a sneak attack.








11/9/2012 2:48:39 PM EDT
[#3]
I'm concerned about one of Obama's famous executive orders and a "There's no time to wait for congress"
11/9/2012 3:07:56 PM EDT
[#4]
Just as long as there isn't another nutjob that goes out and shoots up an elementary school or movie theater with an AK or AR, I don't think it will make it past congress or public support other than the Demotards.
11/9/2012 3:14:53 PM EDT
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Just as long as there isn't another nutjob that goes out and shoots up an elementary school or movie theater with an AK or AR, I don't think it will make it past congress or public support other than the Demotards.


in a country of 300 million it's a pretty safe bet that something will happen within the next 4 years.

 
11/10/2012 7:03:53 AM EDT
[#6]
I agree with your earlier comments though; neither the federal, state or local governments have the time or manpower to execute ANYTHING of such 'lofty' goals.

I mean, crap, I live and work for a city of 115k, and we barely have enough people to cover the streets without having to hire OT just to cover beats.
11/10/2012 7:07:35 AM EDT
[#7]
What I can see, though, and is totally enforceable and passible, is a HUGE tax hike on ammo, making it so damn expensive no one can afford any ammo.

"What will you have today sir"
Brick of 22 plz
"Alright, thats 20 dollars plus 8.5 tax plus 500% government asshole tax, brings it to 100 dollars plz"
11/10/2012 10:03:34 AM EDT
[#8]
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While this may not be correct spot to post this, I still feel it fits as it could cause legal machine gun owners to give up their $15,000+ guns..

While I do not have any MG's this concerns me... This ban wouldn't grandfather anything and people would be forced to hand over their guns and high caps.

Gun ban in the works

Thoughts??

The web site you link to is engaging in fear-mongering.

The U.S. government cannot lawfully confiscate anything without compensating the owners, under the Fourth Amendment. Given the millions of guns out there, and the values of each of them, confiscation would be a bureaucratic nightmare, as well as a hugely expensive undertaking to try to set values and compensate each owner.

This is why every previous gun ban has either grandfathered existing firearms, or permitted registration of them in the case of NFA items. To not do so would spark an immediate federal injunction, and it would end up in the U.S. Supreme Court.
11/10/2012 12:59:47 PM EDT
[#9]
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While this may not be correct spot to post this, I still feel it fits as it could cause legal machine gun owners to give up their $15,000+ guns..

While I do not have any MG's this concerns me... This ban wouldn't grandfather anything and people would be forced to hand over their guns and high caps.

Gun ban in the works

Thoughts??

The web site you link to is engaging in fear-mongering.

The U.S. government cannot lawfully confiscate anything without compensating the owners, under the Fourth Amendment. Given the millions of guns out there, and the values of each of them, confiscation would be a bureaucratic nightmare, as well as a hugely expensive undertaking to try to set values and compensate each owner.

This is why every previous gun ban has either grandfathered existing firearms, or permitted registration of them in the case of NFA items. To not do so would spark an immediate federal injunction, and it would end up in the U.S. Supreme Court.


I agree, but it makes you wonder what they could come up with.  Think obamacare - its not product your forced to buy, its a tax.
11/10/2012 3:24:05 PM EDT
[#10]
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While this may not be correct spot to post this, I still feel it fits as it could cause legal machine gun owners to give up their $15,000+ guns..

While I do not have any MG's this concerns me... This ban wouldn't grandfather anything and people would be forced to hand over their guns and high caps.

Gun ban in the works

Thoughts??

The web site you link to is engaging in fear-mongering.

The U.S. government cannot lawfully confiscate anything without compensating the owners, under the Fourth Amendment. Given the millions of guns out there, and the values of each of them, confiscation would be a bureaucratic nightmare, as well as a hugely expensive undertaking to try to set values and compensate each owner.

This is why every previous gun ban has either grandfathered existing firearms, or permitted registration of them in the case of NFA items. To not do so would spark an immediate federal injunction, and it would end up in the U.S. Supreme Court.


I agree, but it makes you wonder what they could come up with.  Think obamacare - its not product your forced to buy, its a tax.


correct. And it would be perfectly constitutional to move all so-called assault weapons under the NFA umbrella, resulting in a $200 tax per item and the Form 4 BS. But it is NOT constitutional to ban them; the only lawful approach is to tax them.
11/10/2012 4:10:47 PM EDT
[#11]
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While this may not be correct spot to post this, I still feel it fits as it could cause legal machine gun owners to give up their $15,000+ guns..

While I do not have any MG's this concerns me... This ban wouldn't grandfather anything and people would be forced to hand over their guns and high caps.

Gun ban in the works

Thoughts??

The web site you link to is engaging in fear-mongering.

The U.S. government cannot lawfully confiscate anything without compensating the owners, under the Fourth Amendment. Given the millions of guns out there, and the values of each of them, confiscation would be a bureaucratic nightmare, as well as a hugely expensive undertaking to try to set values and compensate each owner.


This is why every previous gun ban has either grandfathered existing firearms, or permitted registration of them in the case of NFA items. To not do so would spark an immediate federal injunction, and it would end up in the U.S. Supreme Court.


Scary part being in Obams 4 year term he WILL be appointing 3 new justices.....  Justice Eric Holder??

11/10/2012 4:12:21 PM EDT
[#12]
Saying we are RID of Obama in 2016.....
11/10/2012 4:26:45 PM EDT
[#13]
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While this may not be correct spot to post this, I still feel it fits as it could cause legal machine gun owners to give up their $15,000+ guns..

While I do not have any MG's this concerns me... This ban wouldn't grandfather anything and people would be forced to hand over their guns and high caps.

Gun ban in the works

Thoughts??

The web site you link to is engaging in fear-mongering.

The U.S. government cannot lawfully confiscate anything without compensating the owners, under the Fourth Amendment. Given the millions of guns out there, and the values of each of them, confiscation would be a bureaucratic nightmare, as well as a hugely expensive undertaking to try to set values and compensate each owner.

This is why every previous gun ban has either grandfathered existing firearms, or permitted registration of them in the case of NFA items. To not do so would spark an immediate federal injunction, and it would end up in the U.S. Supreme Court.


I agree, but it makes you wonder what they could come up with.  Think obamacare - its not product your forced to buy, its a tax.


correct. And it would be perfectly constitutional to move all so-called assault weapons under the NFA umbrella, resulting in a $200 tax per item and the Form 4 BS. But it is NOT constitutional to ban them; the only lawful approach is to tax them.


Thats what I think they'll do. Just hope they dont include high cap mags. Id hate to have to wait 5+ months to go pick up a used AR-15 mag
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