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Posted: 6/17/2012 11:48:23 AM EDT
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What's the difference between the NICS check done at the local gun shop compared to getting fingerprinted and sending to the FBI? Are they trying to find something stupid I did when I was 15? |
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So why does everything need to be submitted to the FBI if it's all the same? Because they want the money. Firearms and NFA is different category, but both need approval by NICS. Firearm isn't registered so it's faster, nfa needs to be registered. I really don't think it takes them that long to read and approve or disapprove a piece of paper, I think it's just something they want to do to keep people from buying nfa. |
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Actually checking your fingerprints against the Criminal Master file for a start. Quoted: What's the difference between the NICS check done at the local gun shop compared to getting fingerprinted and sending to the FBI? Are they trying to find something stupid I did when I was 15? |
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The whole NFA process was started in 1934 to 1) deter people from obtaining MG, SBR, SBS, Suppressors because of John Dillinger, Al Capone, et al and 2) to impose a tax of $200 per item to make it financially inaccessable to the majority of people and slap a nice tax evasion charge on aformentioned gangsters when caught with non registered NFA items. Extrapolated, the $200 in 1934 is about $3100 in 2012. That would probably deter me quite significantly.
So yeah, completely unconstitutional as it is blatant infringement on a right guaranteed by that one part of the constitution. |
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The whole NFA process was started in 1934 to 1) deter people from obtaining MG, SBR, SBS, Suppressors because of John Dillinger, Al Capone, et al and 2) to impose a tax of $200 per item to make it financially inaccessable to the majority of people and slap a nice tax evasion charge on aformentioned gangsters when caught with non registered NFA items. Extrapolated, the $200 in 1934 is about $3100 in 2012. That would probably deter me quite significantly. So yeah, completely unconstitutional as it is blatant infringement on a right guaranteed by that one part of the constitution. A third, major reason for passage of the National Firearms Act of 1934 is that Prohibition was repealed on December 5, 1933, and the federal government had a huge work force of alcohol law enforcement, with an annual budget in 1930 of $13.4 million. With Prohibition gone, all of those LE agents needed something to do, and of course Congress didn't want to give up the millions of tax-dollar spending. The former Bureau of Prohibition evolved into the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms ... but in 1934, they sure didn't need all those folks once alcohol was legal, and cigarette-running was not yet a common crime. So they created a new class of criminals to prosecute. |
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The criminals are the ones who can afford the $200 stamp back in the day... What were they thinking. That's why they specifically wrote the CLEO requirement into the law ... And never removed it when NICS came into existence. It also took as long back then get a Form 4 approved, and criminals aren't exactly patient. Rather than wait, they just robbed armories whenever they wanted MGs. |
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The criminals are the ones who can afford the $200 stamp back in the day... What were they thinking. That's why they specifically wrote the CLEO requirement into the law ... And never removed it when NICS came into existence. It also took as long back then get a Form 4 approved, and criminals aren't exactly patient. Rather than wait, they just robbed armories whenever they wanted MGs. Really? I thought just recently the wait time was long. I read somewhere back in 2002, people were getting approved at 2-3 months. |
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The criminals are the ones who can afford the $200 stamp back in the day... What were they thinking. That's why they specifically wrote the CLEO requirement into the law ... And never removed it when NICS came into existence. It also took as long back then get a Form 4 approved, and criminals aren't exactly patient. Rather than wait, they just robbed armories whenever they wanted MGs. Really? I thought just recently the wait time was long. I read somewhere back in 2002, people were getting approved at 2-3 months. 2005-2006 was probably the quickest turn around I've seen. In the past it could take 1-2+ years to get a form back. |
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In the early to mid-'90's, my transfers were running five to nine months, but several friends had them take up to two years.
I wasn't aware of NFA toys until the late '50's, but from "grown-ups" who we're doing them back then, they were still a half-year or so, and that trend continued until I got personally involved in transfers. So it has never been quick, with the exception of a short golden era in the '02-03 range immediately after NFA Branch moved to W.Va. And hired sufficient staffing for the then- current workload. 
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