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Posted: 3/1/2012 11:58:46 AM EDT
| Can you purchase Class III items (suppressors, SBRs, etc) via the internet? If so, where is the best place to order from and what steps do you have to go through? The past few years I have been purchasing nearly all of my guns and shooting supplies from the internet because I can always find better prices that way. I usually just order guns and have them shipped to and transferred from a local FFL dealer in my hometown. I have been wanting to build a .300 blackout SBR and add a can to it in the future. I talked to a local Class III dealer, and he said that I should just purchase an already registered stripped lower from him and bring a copy of my trust and he will begin the process. However, his stripped lowers are $200, so I will have spent $400 before I even get started. Also, his cans seem to be a good bit more expensive than I can find them online. I know this seems like a petty question, because I will only be saving around $100 or so, but I was just wondering if these kind of purchases can be done over the internet. Thanks for any help! |
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Actually $200 isn't to bad if it is pre-registered and already had the engraving done. I'm kinda of curious how he's doing it and who is going down on the form as the manufacture of the SBR, since it's only a stripped receiver.
I was thinking of going this route...but don't know much background on the company. registered complete lower |
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Call online FFL/SOT and negotiate deal for item you want
Call local FFL/SOT and negotiate price of transfer (shop around) Call online FFL/SOT and provide the local FFL/SOTs information or have it faxed over with your order number Online FFL/SOT will complete a Form 3 to tax free transfer the NFA item to your local FFL/SOT ATF will review/approve Form 3 (this used to take about a month, now who the fuck knows) Online FFL/SOT will ship NFA item to your local FFL/SOT Local FFL/SOT will receive the item and start the Form 4 process Fill out / Sign Form 4s and COC Mail Form 4 packet with a check for $200 to ATF WAIT (5 months PLUS) ATF will mail approved Form 4 with tax stamp to local FFL/SOT Local FFL/SOT will call you You pickup item Here's the thing, many FFL/SOTs will charge $100-150 for a transfer, and the Form 3 adds quite a bit of time to the process which is something to consider when buying online. If the item is in stock, you have a better chance of negotiating a lower price. $200 for a stripped lower may seem like a lot, but also consider that if you Form 1'd your own lower, you'd have to pay about $50 + S/H to have your trust name, city, and state engraved on it. If you ever considered selling that SBR/Lower, it has your name on it forever, so it would be a hard sell. on the plus side, doing a form 1 yourself cuts out the dealer completely, the tax stamp comes directly to your home, no waiting for him to call you. plus you don't get charged any weird convenience fees, you don't have to put up with the typical gun shop BS, the "hey buy my crappy parts" BS when your stamp comes in, and the lower you have on the Form 1 is ALWAYS in your possession, so you can assemble it whenever you want, slap a 16" upper on it and take it shooting, etc. |
| Ok. Thanks for the speedy replies. I guess, from what I've read so far, it may just be easier, and worth the money, to just go through my local dealer. He has lowers that are already registered as SBRs from Coastal Gun, Inc. They are manufactured by LMT. He suggested that I go this route so that I don't have to wait for him to ship my lower (if I purchased one off the internet) to get it registered as an SBR before we start the Form 4 process. Does anybody know anything about these lowers. Also, do y'all think I should just go that route? Thanks again for helping a newbie trying to get into the cool (hard to get) part of the AR world. |
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Ok. Thanks for the speedy replies. I guess, from what I've read so far, it may just be easier, and worth the money, to just go through my local dealer. He has lowers that are already registered as SBRs from Coastal Gun, Inc. They are manufactured by LMT. He suggested that I go this route so that I don't have to wait for him to ship my lower (if I purchased one off the internet) to get it registered as an SBR before we start the Form 4 process. Does anybody know anything about these lowers. Also, do y'all think I should just go that route? Thanks again for helping a newbie trying to get into the cool (hard to get) part of the AR world. I don't think you should go that route with an "already registered" stripped lower. A stripped lower is NOT an SBR. It is not legal to transfer a stripped lower to someone as an SBR because you would be lying about its status. If you put N/A and N/A on the barrel length and OAL boxes, you'd get denied the transfer. If you make up numbers, you'd be lying on a federal tax form. Only way I'd do it is to have a complete rifle transferred out to you with the proper info put down on the form. |
| Sorry I may have missed something. The way he described it to me is that he bought several lowers from that company that have already gone through the registering process with the ATF. I think that would just allow me to buy it and immediately fill out the Form 4 to register it as an SBR. Then, while I'm waiting on the tax form to be approved, I could be building the upper. Please correct me if I'm wrong about this. Just going on what I've been told from my dealer. Thanks again. |
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Ok. Thanks for the speedy replies. I guess, from what I've read so far, it may just be easier, and worth the money, to just go through my local dealer. He has lowers that are already registered as SBRs from Coastal Gun, Inc. They are manufactured by LMT. He suggested that I go this route so that I don't have to wait for him to ship my lower (if I purchased one off the internet) to get it registered as an SBR before we start the Form 4 process. Does anybody know anything about these lowers. Also, do y'all think I should just go that route? Thanks again for helping a newbie trying to get into the cool (hard to get) part of the AR world. I don't think you should go that route with an "already registered" stripped lower. A stripped lower is NOT an SBR. It is not legal to transfer a stripped lower to someone as an SBR because you would be lying about its status. If you put N/A and N/A on the barrel length and OAL boxes, you'd get denied the transfer. If you make up numbers, you'd be lying on a federal tax form. Only way I'd do it is to have a complete rifle transferred out to you with the proper info put down on the form. That's what I was getting at... |
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Sorry I may have missed something. The way he described it to me is that he bought several lowers from that company that have already gone through the registering process with the ATF. I think that would just allow me to buy it and immediately fill out the Form 4 to register it as an SBR. Then, while I'm waiting on the tax form to be approved, I could be building the upper. Please correct me if I'm wrong about this. Just going on what I've been told from my dealer. Thanks again. Your dealer is pretty misinformed. There were some manufacturers that were registering lowers as SBRs via Form 2 and filling in a bogus barrel and OAL. The ATF has said that a lower without an upper does not meet the definition of an SBR which is very beneficial to us. I've never heard of LMT making lowers for this company. Form 4 = Transfer Form 1 = Making You can't take possession of the lower until the form 4 is approved. According to the ATF you also can't possess the parts to build an SBR prior to an approved stamp (unless you have an AR pistol) Go back and read the last part of my reply. Personally I would much rather have the lower in hand, install LPK, test fit a stripped upper, and check it for proper function BEFORE Form 1'ing it. If you form 4 one of these dealer's lowers of unknown origin you don't have that ability and you have wasted $200 and 6 months of time if it's defective |
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