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Posted: 11/9/2008 5:17:21 AM EDT
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My Dept. purchased 6 M3A1 GreaseGuns made by the GuideLamp Corp. They were all purchased on a letterhead and the cost of each weapon was paid by individual officers. While the Dept. still owns and maintains control of these weapons, they are assigned to the respective officers who paid for them.
QUESTION(s): Since these are pre-86, basically WWII era manufactured, NFA but C&R tranferrable weapons, if I possess a C&R and want my GG to be mine personally and no longer the Department's, AND the CLEO has no problem signing the appropriate paperwork (provided no BATFE laws are violated),...........can I do a FORM 4 with appropriate $200 tax to transfer it to me? (After checking various articles including my C&R listing, the M3A1 is an NFA C&R item). Thanks. |
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Where did the department get them from? I have seen some items that had to go to a Class3 dealer first then to the individual. Not always the case but the NFA can be a little tricky when transfers from a Department are involved.
Really depends on the examiner. You will need to find out what form they were sent to the department on. When they received them. Did they get them from another Government agency? Departments have received thing in the past from the Military and if they were, then it was on a form 10 then you will never be able to get it.. |
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Departments have received thing in the past from the Military and if they were, then it was on a form 10 then you will never be able to get it.. Ain't America grand?  Tax payers (is it really "paying" if they take it from you?) pay for all this stuff, and then don't ever actually get to see/use/own the fruits of their labor. Exactly when did our government become too big to be held accountable to the people? 
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Where did the department get them from? I have seen some items that had to go to a Class3 dealer first then to the individual. Not always the case but the NFA can be a little tricky when transfers from a Department are involved. Really depends on the examiner. You will need to find out what form they were sent to the department on. When they received them. Did they get them from another Government agency? Departments have received thing in the past from the Military and if they were, then it was on a form 10 then you will never be able to get it.. They were not Form 10 transfers, of that I'm sure. If I'm not mistaken, they came from a dealer. They've also been marked by the importer as follows: "Imported by C.A.I., Georgia, VT." |
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They've also been marked by the importer as follows: "Imported by C.A.I., Georgia, VT." PRE-MAY 86 Dealer sample... IIRC. only an SOT or LE/.mil can own. Upon SOT expiration, the FFL can keep the item, but it can only be sold to another SOT. So...No. you cannot form 4 it. GCA of '68, i do believe, banned import of foreign machine guns, with some exceptions (dealer samples, LE/.mil). That's why they have the import stamp....they were imported after '68. In theory, they could have been imported after '86, in which case they are post-86 DS. Or .mil/LE only. I'm no NFA expert, but i'm sure someone will be along shortly with greater detail. |
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As long as it's a transferrable MG and its on the C&R list, and you have a C&R it can transfer dirrectly to you without going through a SOT.
As others have already pointed out, you need to figure out if it is indeed a transferrable MG. It looks as it may not be by the importation markings  .
ETA: You said that each officer paid for the weapons. How much did you pay? Transferrable M3s are going for around $18k give or take. If you paid a substantial amount less, I'd almost guarentee that your M3s aren't transferrable. |
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They've also been marked by the importer as follows: "Imported by C.A.I., Georgia, VT." PRE-MAY 86 Dealer sample... IIRC. only an SOT or LE/.mil can own. Upon SOT expiration, the FFL can keep the item, but it can only be sold to another SOT. So...No. you cannot form 4 it. GCA of '68, i do believe, banned import of foreign machine guns, with some exceptions (dealer samples, LE/.mil). That's why they have the import stamp....they were imported after '68. In theory, they could have been imported after '86, in which case they are post-86 DS. Or .mil/LE only. I'm no NFA expert, but i'm sure someone will be along shortly with greater detail. Probably a post-86 import. Your chance of personally owning it is essentially zero. |
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They were not Form 10 transfers, of that I'm sure. If I'm not mistaken, they came from a dealer. They've also been marked by the importer as follows: "Imported by C.A.I., Georgia, VT." When the MG was manufactured is irrelevant if it was exported and then reimported. To be transferable to you, they must have been imported before November 1968 (i.e., prior to passage of the Gun Control Act of 1968, which banned importation or re-importation of NFA for civilian ownership). 
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