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2/15/2008 12:38:42 AM EDT
I often run across people who are unsure of the NFA laws in their particular state, so I made this color coded map to show the particular NFA laws for each state in regard to SBR's, Machine Guns, Suppressors, and Short Barrel Shotguns. I just used a source found online...so if I have made any mistakes, just let me know and I can edit the picture.

Green = HURRAY...Go for it!
Red = BOOO...They'll arrest us for it!

Enjoy!

-Mike

2/15/2008 3:05:55 AM EDT
[#1]
neat post.

I like it.
2/15/2008 3:11:42 AM EDT
[#2]
That's a great idea...  that's a quick and informed way of showing us.  


I hate reading...  I love the visuals.  
2/15/2008 3:25:34 AM EDT
[#3]
cool. Add AOW and you have the complete set!
2/15/2008 4:16:42 AM EDT
[#4]
TX is green on all 4.

Can't wait to get there!!
2/15/2008 6:19:18 AM EDT
[#5]
WTF is up with Alabama?
2/15/2008 6:41:11 AM EDT
[#6]
Kansas is pretty lame too.  Glad I moved to Colorado!
2/15/2008 8:39:02 AM EDT
[#7]

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Kansas is pretty lame too.  Glad I moved to Colorado!


I'll check into this later, I'll probably use it in my guide(s) too

You do have to be very careful though, there are plenty of caveats when dealing with state laws.  Though, I suppose the chart would be very helpful in doing a quick check to see if they are banned all together.  

Otherwise you get into things like "yes they are legal but you have to do this this and this"
2/15/2008 10:54:06 AM EDT
[#8]

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Kansas is pretty lame too.  Glad I moved to Colorado!


I'll check into this later, I'll probably use it in my guide(s) too

You do have to be very careful though, there are plenty of caveats when dealing with state laws.  Though, I suppose the chart would be very helpful in doing a quick check to see if they are banned all together.  

Otherwise you get into things like "yes they are legal but you have to do this this and this"


You're right about being careful.  I didn't intend this to be a guarantee that you are good to go on whichever NFA item you are looking at buying, but if you want something and your state is green, then your likely able to own the item somehow if the proper steps are taken.  The details of the process will need to be addressed with additional research.  

Being able to lay these laws out visually is kind of impressive to me.  Unfortunately I live in Kansas and can only get SBR's...Kinda makes me want to send this to our politicians and say "Look, almost everyone else's Mom lets them play...why can't I?" LOL.
2/15/2008 10:56:48 AM EDT
[#9]
Thank God Illinois is red.
2/15/2008 11:01:15 AM EDT
[#10]
I can even understand that map.
2/15/2008 11:03:30 AM EDT
[#11]
Shucks, I've been working on this but with more details.    I need to get my sorry butt into gear!

Good job!

Mike
2/15/2008 12:02:03 PM EDT
[#12]

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WTF is up with Alabama?


No SBR/SBS.  Damn shame too, my grandparents have about 50 acres an hour from me.
2/15/2008 12:16:51 PM EDT
[#13]
this is an absolute excellent post.  Thank you very much for taking your time out to do this.  

From now on when we see the daily question of "can I do this is my state" we can post the map!  



I've looked at the list of NFA friendly states several times but until you actually see the green states vs. red states, you don't really see that the majority of the country truly is pro NFA.   I really thought there was more red.


2/15/2008 2:39:00 PM EDT
[#14]

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WTF is up with Alabama?


No SBR/SBS.  Damn shame too, my grandparents have about 50 acres an hour from me.



I don't get it. They allow MGs and silencers but no shorties. WTF is that all about? It doesn't make sense.


ETA: I saw this in another thread:




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NFA is verbotten in Kalifornia. BATFE will not approve a 5320.20 to the state, and possession of a properly registered AOW or suppressor from out-of-state will still land you in prison for a long time.



Your map says Kali can have MGs. I don't know who's right but Tony K is quite the fountain of knowledge.


I checked Kali's Bureau of Firearms website and found this:



California law does not require persons moving into California report rifles or shotguns. One important thing to be aware of though is that certain rifles and shotguns may be defined as assault weapons in California and are prohibited from entering this state under most normal circumstances. Additionally, machine guns and ammunition feeding devices with the capacity to accept greater that 10 rounds may not be transported into California.


2/15/2008 5:10:26 PM EDT
[#15]

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WTF is up with Alabama?


No SBR/SBS.  Damn shame too, my grandparents have about 50 acres an hour from me.



I don't get it. They allow MGs and silencers but no shorties. WTF is that all about? It doesn't make sense.


ETA: I saw this in another thread:




Quoted:

NFA is verbotten in Kalifornia. BATFE will not approve a 5320.20 to the state, and possession of a properly registered AOW or suppressor from out-of-state will still land you in prison for a long time.



Your map says Kali can have MGs. I don't know who's right but Tony K is quite the fountain of knowledge.


I checked Kali's Bureau of Firearms website and found this:



California law does not require persons moving into California report rifles or shotguns. One important thing to be aware of though is that certain rifles and shotguns may be defined as assault weapons in California and are prohibited from entering this state under most normal circumstances. Additionally, machine guns and ammunition feeding devices with the capacity to accept greater that 10 rounds may not be transported into California.




Think of all of the MGs used by Hollywood
2/15/2008 5:11:17 PM EDT
[#16]
I dont think that WA is suppressor friendly
2/15/2008 5:14:48 PM EDT
[#17]

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I dont think that WA is suppressor friendly


You can own a suppressor, you just can't use it in WA.
2/15/2008 6:18:10 PM EDT
[#18]

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ETA: I saw this in another thread:




Quoted:

NFA is verbotten in Kalifornia. BATFE will not approve a 5320.20 to the state, and possession of a properly registered AOW or suppressor from out-of-state will still land you in prison for a long time.



Your map says Kali can have MGs. I don't know who's right but Tony K is quite the fountain of knowledge.


I checked Kali's Bureau of Firearms website and found this:



California law does not require persons moving into California report rifles or shotguns. One important thing to be aware of though is that certain rifles and shotguns may be defined as assault weapons in California and are prohibited from entering this state under most normal circumstances. Additionally, machine guns and ammunition feeding devices with the capacity to accept greater that 10 rounds may not be transported into California.




Think of all of the MGs used by Hollywood



They would be owned by FFLs. Not regular peons like me and you.
2/15/2008 6:19:14 PM EDT
[#19]
I didn't need to see that.  The red is closing in on me!
2/15/2008 10:07:02 PM EDT
[#20]
Michigan only allows MGs..

No cans,SBR or SBS..

Love it that they do the MGs,untill a couple of years ago that was a No-No..
2/16/2008 10:43:24 AM EDT
[#21]

Quoted:

Quoted:

ETA: I saw this in another thread:




Quoted:

NFA is verbotten in Kalifornia. BATFE will not approve a 5320.20 to the state, and possession of a properly registered AOW or suppressor from out-of-state will still land you in prison for a long time.



Your map says Kali can have MGs. I don't know who's right but Tony K is quite the fountain of knowledge.


I checked Kali's Bureau of Firearms website and found this:



California law does not require persons moving into California report rifles or shotguns. One important thing to be aware of though is that certain rifles and shotguns may be defined as assault weapons in California and are prohibited from entering this state under most normal circumstances. Additionally, machine guns and ammunition feeding devices with the capacity to accept greater that 10 rounds may not be transported into California.




Think of all of the MGs used by Hollywood



They would be owned by FFLs. Not regular peons like me and you.


Cans are a no-go in Cali.
MG's/SBS/SBR need a "Dangerous Weapons Permit" from Cali DOJ. And it costs a few hundred a year and has lots of restrictions from transportation and storage.

There are no AOW restrictions.

There are exemptions for C&R SBS and SBR's .

It will be VERY hard to get an SOT to do a transfer. Most gun shops in my area are friggin lame.
"Oh, no. YOU can't have any NFA, LE agency ONLY"
"Lady. I can show you the sections of code that specifically allow it."
-Blank stare-

ATF has approved Form 1 to Cali residents.
2/16/2008 10:47:44 AM EDT
[#22]
The maps are not correct for Minnesota.

SBS are a no go and machine guns are C & R only.
2/17/2008 10:21:27 AM EDT
[#23]

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(snip)
MG's/SBS/SBR need a "Dangerous Weapons Permit" from Cali DOJ. And it costs a few hundred a year and has lots of restrictions from transportation and storage.

Last I heard, there were less than a hundred current DWPs in the entire state of California, and most were movie-industry companies. Individuals can't get one unless you donate a coupla hundred grand to the right re-election campaign, or you already own the candidate ...

I also imagine Dick Cheney gets his Form 4's approved the same day he submits them. But that doesn't mean the rest of us can get the same level of service, or any service at all.

Favoritism thrives in .gov today.
2/17/2008 12:38:22 PM EDT
[#24]
+1 you rock
2/18/2008 6:19:28 AM EDT
[#25]
NC is not "green" but its not "red" either when it comes to MGs.

To own a machine gun in NC you have to have a machine gun permit from the county sheriff.

Our anti-NFA Attorney General, Ray Cooper, has been leaning on the sheriffs not to sign Form 1s, Form 4s, and not to issue MG permits.

From the state AG's site (www.jus.state.nc.us/NCJA/ncfirearmslaws.pdf.  Starting about page 24.


The only persons allowed to own or possess a weapon of mass death and destruction, as defined above, are the following:

1. persons exempted from the provisions of carrying a concealed weapon in North Carolina, with respect to any activity lawfully engaged in while carrying out their duties;

2. importers, manufacturers, dealers, and collectors of firearms, ammunition, or destructive devices validly licensed under the laws of the United States or the State of North Carolina, while lawfully engaged in activities authorized under their licenses;

3. persons under contract with the United States, the State of North Carolina, or any agency of either government, with respect to any activities lawfully engaged in under their contracts; or

4. inventors, designers, ordinance consultants and researchers, chemists, physicists, and other persons lawfully engaged in pursuits designed to enlarge the knowledge of, or to facilitate the creation, development, or manufacture of weapons of mass death and destruction intended for use in a manner consistent with the laws of the United States and the State of North Carolina.



D. Machine Guns

Pursuant to North Carolina General Statute ยง 14-409, it is unlawful for any person, firm, or corporation to manufacture, sell, give away, dispose of, use or possess machine guns, sub-machine guns, or other like weapons. A machine gun or sub-machine gun is one which shoots, or can be readily restored to shoot more than one round, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger. It also includes any frame or receiver of such a weapon, or parts used in converting a weapon into a machine gun or sub-machine gun.

This prohibition does not apply to the following:

1. banks, merchants, and recognized business establishments for use in their respective places of business. However, these persons must first apply to and receive from the sheriff of the county in which their business is located, a permit to possess the weapon for the purpose of defending their business;

2. officers and soldiers of the United States Armed Forces, when in the discharge of their official duties;

3. officers and soldiers of the Militia, when being called into actual service;

4. officers of the state, or county, city or town, charged with the execution of laws of the state, when acting in the discharge of their official duties; and

5. the manufacture, use, or possession of such weapons for scientific or experimental purposes when such manufacture, use, or possession is lawful under federal laws and the weapon is registered with a federal agency, and a permit to manufacture, use, or possess the weapon has been obtained by the sheriff of the county in which the weapon is located.

Any bona fide resident of the state who now owns a machine gun used in former wars may retain and keep that weapon at his or her own property, as a relic or souvenir, without violating the provisions of this section, as long as he/she reports this weapon to the sheriff of the county in which he/she lives.

Therefore, certain conditions must be met by the possessor of a machine gun before it may be lawfully kept in North Carolina. First, the possessor must fall within one of the specifically listed exceptions to the general prohibition of ownership. Second, one must also apply for a permit to possess the weapon from the sheriff. It is then the responsibility of the sheriff to satisfy himself/herself as to the lawfulness of the reason for such possession, and of the good moral character of the possessor. Among other considerations, the sheriff should consider the inherent danger to the public as a result of the possession of a machine gun.

It has been consistently held within our office that the valid licensing of an individual to possess a machine gun under federal law does not automatically legitimize his or her possession of the weapon in the various counties of North Carolina. Nor does such federal licensing require the sheriff to issue a permit for the possession of such a weapon without first satisfying the prerequisites of N.C.G.S. ยง 14-409. Therefore, the permit provisions of N.C.G.S. ยง 14-409 would need to be complied with, even though a person is currently licensed under federal law to possess a machine gun.
2/18/2008 1:03:13 PM EDT
[#26]
Awesome Job!
2/18/2008 1:19:26 PM EDT
[#27]

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Michigan only allows MGs..

No cans,SBR or SBS..

Love it that they do the MGs,untill a couple of years ago that was a No-No..


Yes, you need to change the map.  Only way to have SBR is in form of MG.  But AOW is allowed.
2/18/2008 1:35:36 PM EDT
[#28]

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Yes, you need to change the map.  Only way to have SBR is in form of MG.  But AOW is allowed.


did they finally allow that? I remember a while back an arfcommer purchased an M16 with a sort barrel. CLEO said MG was ok, but not the short barrel. Last i had heard, they were checking for clarification. Of course, with the ATF, MG trumps SBR. But i wasn't sure about Michigan.
2/18/2008 7:19:11 PM EDT
[#29]

Michigan only allows MGs..

No cans,SBR or SBS..

You can make / own a C&R SBR or SBS in Michigan.  Search for posts by DrDremel on TheHighRoad.org...
2/19/2008 4:52:02 AM EDT
[#30]

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WTF is up with Alabama?


No SBR/SBS.  Damn shame too, my grandparents have about 50 acres an hour from me.



I don't get it. They allow MGs and silencers but no shorties. WTF is that all about? It doesn't make sense.



Alabama law:

ยง 13A-11-63. Possession, sale, etc., of
short-barreled rifle or short-barreled
shotgun; applicability of section.
(a) A person who possesses, obtains, receives, sells,
or uses a short-barreled rifle or a short-barreled
shotgun is guilty of a Class C felony.
(b) This section does not apply to a peace officer
who possesses, obtains, receives, sells, or uses a
short-barreled rifle or a short-barreled shotgun in
the course of or in connection with his official
duties.
2/19/2008 6:45:44 AM EDT
[#31]

Quoted:

Michigan only allows MGs..

No cans,SBR or SBS..

You can make / own a C&R SBR or SBS in Michigan.  Search for posts by DrDremel on TheHighRoad.org...


Yeah, but someone else tried that and got denied.  So may not be a complete go.
2/19/2008 6:46:58 AM EDT
[#32]

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Quoted:

Yes, you need to change the map.  Only way to have SBR is in form of MG.  But AOW is allowed.


did they finally allow that? I remember a while back an arfcommer purchased an M16 with a sort barrel. CLEO said MG was ok, but not the short barrel. Last i had heard, they were checking for clarification. Of course, with the ATF, MG trumps SBR. But i wasn't sure about Michigan.


Yes, MG trumps SBR.  CLEO can take a flying leap.  It is a courtesy really to inform him with trusts available.
4/4/2008 2:57:22 AM EDT
[#33]
bump for newbies
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