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9/14/2007 7:32:24 AM EDT
I am new to the NFA arena so please help out a rookie-
I just received my first tax stamp and I am having trouble figuring out How or If I need to mark my lower. I am building a Noveske SBR and registered the weapon by listing my lower’s serial number, along with the name of my trust on my form 1. I got the stamp back but no instructions on marking the weapon.

According to the NFA handbook section 6.2.1 paragraph 2 it states the following:

6.2.1 Description of firearm.
If an existing firearm or firearm receiver is being used, the name and location of the original manufacturer of the weapon should be entered in Block 4(a). If the applicant is making a completely new firearm, the applicant’s name and location should be entered in Block 4(a).
The type of firearm being made, i.e., short barrel rifle, short barrel shotgun, any other weapon, silencer or destructive device, is to be entered in Block 4(b). The caliber or gauge of the firearm is to be entered in Block 4(c).
If a model designation has been assigned to the firearm, that designation is to be placed in Block 4(d).
If the weapon has no model designation, enter “none” in Block 4(d). The length of the barrel is to be entered, in inches, in Block 4(e) and the overall length of the firearm is to be entered, in inches, in Block 4(f).

All NFA firearms must be identified by a serial number and other specified markings95. If an existing firearm is being used in the making of the NFA weapon, and that firearm is serialized, the existing serial number should be used (unless it duplicates a serial number already used by the maker on Form 1) and entered in Block 4(g). If the weapon is of new manufacture, the applicant must assign a unique serial number and enter it in Block 4(g). For example, a unique serial number could be composed of at least 4 digits preceded by the initials of the maker. NOTE: alpha characters, e.g., a name, will not be accepted as a serial number.

If a name is to be used, there must be at least one numeric character in addition to the alpha characters.
The serial number must be engraved or stamped on the receiver of the firearm and the caliber, model, and identification of the maker must be engraved on the barrel or frame or receiver of the weapon.96 The marking and identification requirements for a maker are the same as for a manufacturer.
Refer to section 7.4 for a detailed discussion of the requirements.  


Could someone help me decipher what exactly I need to do in order to be compliant with the ATF guidelines?
9/14/2007 8:32:39 AM EDT
[#1]
You need to engrave the name of your trust, plus city and state. "Recognized" abbreviations are acceptable for city and state; you don't need to engrave the "revokable living" part of the trust name.
9/14/2007 9:11:40 AM EDT
[#2]

Quoted:
You need to engrave the name of your trust, plus city and state. "Recognized" abbreviations are acceptable for city and state; you don't need to engrave the "revokable living" part of the trust name.


Thanks Tony for the quick reply.
9/14/2007 5:38:54 PM EDT
[#3]
Do NOT abbreviate the Trust's name!  If your trust is called the John Oliver Doe Revocable Living Trust, you cannot engrave "JOD Trust."  

"JOD" could stand for anything and the authorities will not have proof that it belongs to your trust.  It must say "John Oliver Doe Trust"  + the city and state.  States can be abbreviated, but spell out the city.
9/14/2007 9:39:06 PM EDT
[#4]
What if you put JOD trust in box 4h?
9/15/2007 5:41:38 AM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
What if you put JOD trust in box 4h?


I don't know.  If you haven't sent it already, you might want to use some white out and write over it.  When filling out any type of form, especially those for the government, I always make a point of spelling everything out to the letter.  It is usually a lot of hassle to have forms returned to you and have to start paperwork over again.  

Honestly, I would print exactly what is to be engraved on the receiver in the 4h box.  That way, there is no question.
9/15/2007 8:05:03 AM EDT
[#6]
Once again ... you should not list your planned markings in box 4h, which is only for any additional markings beyond the host manufacturer's info and the serial number.

For example: If your host gun is also engraved "1 of 1,000" or "Property of SFPD" or even "Tactical As All Get Out Edition", you must list this info in 4h.

If there are no markings beyond the name/city/state of the host manufacturer and gun's serial number, 4h should be left blank.

The maker's marks (your info) are required by federal law, and you must engrave them regardless and irrespective of anything marked in 4h.
9/15/2007 6:47:43 PM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:
I am new to the NFA arena so please help out a rookie-
I just received my first tax stamp and I am having trouble figuring out How or If I need to mark my lower. I am building a Noveske SBR and registered the weapon by listing my lower’s serial number, along with the name of my trust on my form 1. I got the stamp back but no instructions on marking the weapon.

According to the NFA handbook section 6.2.1 paragraph 2 it states the following:

6.2.1 Description of firearm.
If an existing firearm or firearm receiver is being used, the name and location of the original manufacturer of the weapon should be entered in Block 4(a). If the applicant is making a completely new firearm, the applicant’s name and location should be entered in Block 4(a).
The type of firearm being made, i.e., short barrel rifle, short barrel shotgun, any other weapon, silencer or destructive device, is to be entered in Block 4(b). The caliber or gauge of the firearm is to be entered in Block 4(c).
If a model designation has been assigned to the firearm, that designation is to be placed in Block 4(d).
If the weapon has no model designation, enter “none” in Block 4(d). The length of the barrel is to be entered, in inches, in Block 4(e) and the overall length of the firearm is to be entered, in inches, in Block 4(f).

All NFA firearms must be identified by a serial number and other specified markings95. If an existing firearm is being used in the making of the NFA weapon, and that firearm is serialized, the existing serial number should be used (unless it duplicates a serial number already used by the maker on Form 1) and entered in Block 4(g). If the weapon is of new manufacture, the applicant must assign a unique serial number and enter it in Block 4(g). For example, a unique serial number could be composed of at least 4 digits preceded by the initials of the maker. NOTE: alpha characters, e.g., a name, will not be accepted as a serial number.

If a name is to be used, there must be at least one numeric character in addition to the alpha characters.
The serial number must be engraved or stamped on the receiver of the firearm and the caliber, model, and identification of the maker must be engraved on the barrel or frame or receiver of the weapon.96 The marking and identification requirements for a maker are the same as for a manufacturer.
Refer to section 7.4 for a detailed discussion of the requirements.  


Could someone help me decipher what exactly I need to do in order to be compliant with the ATF guidelines?


Other posters info is good, but if you like, here is the ATF language detailing the process

www.atf.gov/pub/qtrly_bulletins/vol3_qb2001/subpartc.pdf
9/21/2007 7:25:46 PM EDT
[#8]
So how does one determine if the engraving is Specifically, " a minimum height of 1/16th inch and a minimum depth of .003 inch for serial numbers and a minimum depth of .003 inch for all other required markings.

I ask about the .003" because I have a local shop that can laser engrave my lower but I have no idea if it is .003" deep. How thick is the typical finish on a lower?
9/26/2007 3:37:05 PM EDT
[#9]
Not to hijack the thread. But do you engrave your lower before or after you get the ATF approval?
9/26/2007 4:45:44 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
Not to hijack the thread. But do you engrave your lower before or after you get the ATF approval?

You can engrave it anytime before you actually assemble it as an SBR. That can be before you get ATF approval, or after approval but before you put on the sub-16'' barrel.
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