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| How tall, wide, and deep does the engraving have to be done? Would you trust your local trophy shop to do the work? Let me rephrase, I live in an area where high-school athletics are king and this trophy shop takes its work seriously. Would you let them engrave your lower? Is laser engraving acceptable? |
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Code of Federal Regulations] [Title 27, Volume 2] [Revised as of April 1, 2003] From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access [CITE: 27CFR479.102] [Page 188-189] TITLE 27--ALCOHOL, TOBACCO PRODUCTS AND FIREARMS CHAPTER II--BUREAU OF ALCOHOL, TOBACCO, FIREARMS, AND EXPLOSIVES, DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE PART 479--MACHINE GUNS, DESTRUCTIVE DEVICES, AND CERTAIN OTHER FIREARMS--Table of Contents Subpart G--Registration and Identification of Firearms Sec. 479.102 How must firearms be identified? (a) You, as a manufacturer, importer, or maker of a firearm, must legibly identify the firearm as follows: (1) By engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), or otherwise conspicuously placing or causing to be engraved, cast, stamped (impressed) or placed on the frame or receiver thereof an individual serial number. The serial number must be placed in a manner not susceptible of being readily obliterated, altered, or removed, and must not duplicate any serial number placed by you on any other firearm. For firearms manufactured, imported, or made on and after January 30, 2002, the engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing) of the serial number must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch and in a print size no smaller than 1/16 inch; and (2) By engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), or otherwise conspicuously placing or causing to be engraved, cast, stamped (impressed), or placed on the frame, receiver, or barrel thereof certain additional information. This information must be placed in a manner not susceptible of being readily obliterated, altered or removed. For firearms manufactured, imported, or made on and after January 30, 2002, the engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing) of this information must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch. The additional information includes: (i) The model, if such designation has been made; (ii) The caliber or gauge; (iii) Your name (or recognized abbreviation) and also, when applicable, the name of the foreign manufacturer or maker; (iv) In the case of a domestically made firearm, the city and State (or recognized abbreviation thereof) where you as the manufacturer maintain your place of business, or where you, as the maker, made the firearm; and [[Page 189]] (v) In the case of an imported firearm, the name of the country in which it was manufactured and the city and State (or recognized abbreviation thereof) where you as the importer maintain your place of business. For additional requirements relating to imported firearms, see Customs regulations at 19 CFR part 134. (b) The depth of all markings required by this section will be measured from the flat surface of the metal and not the peaks or ridges. The height of serial numbers required by paragraph (a)(1) of this section will be measured as the distance between the latitudinal ends of the character impression bottoms (bases). (c) The Director may authorize other means of identification upon receipt of a letter application from you, submitted in duplicate, showing that such other identification is reasonable and will not hinder the effective administration of this part. (d) In the case of a destructive device, the Director may authorize other means of identifying that weapon upon receipt of a letter application from you, submitted in duplicate, showing that engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing) such a weapon would be dangerous or impracticable. (e) A firearm frame or receiver that is not a component part of a complete weapon at the time it is sold, shipped, or otherwise disposed of by you must be identified as required by this section. (f)(1) Any part defined as a machine gun, muffler, or silencer for the purposes of this part that is not a component part of a complete firearm at the time it is sold, shipped, or otherwise disposed of by you must be identified as required by this section. (2) The Director may authorize other means of identification of parts defined as machine guns other than frames or receivers and parts defined as mufflers or silencers upon receipt of a letter application from you, submitted in duplicate, showing that such other identification is reasonable and will not hinder the effective administration of this part. (Approved by the Office of Management and Budget under control number 1512-0550) [T.D. ATF-461, 66 FR 40601, Aug. 3, 2001] |
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If you haven't already done your trust, you can put a line in there that the 'John and Jane Doe revocable living trust' will be known as the 'JD Trust'. Much nicer to engrave on your stick. If your trust is done, and you don't have any stamps on it yet, do it over. If your trust is done, and the application submitted, engrave really, really small. |
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So from the links posted on this thread I haven't really seen anywhere to get SBR lowers engraved. Do you have to engrave all Short barreled weapons such as shotguns and the like? What if someone buys your SBR AR and now he needs to engrave his name over yours? Does the engraving have to be easily visible or can it be covered up? |
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Unfortunately my paperwork didn't go through with "Multi" caliber of which the lower was already marked. I just got it marked here locally by a top notch outfit that does work for like BOEING and the military for cheap. Had them add the .223 on the markings just to be sure and comply to the regs. I wasn't sure and it didn't cost any extra. I'm debating on showing photos of the work. |
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Bookhound, Did you ever find someone in GA to do NFA compliance engraving? I still have a Remmy 870 SBS and a Kahr/Thompson SBR to do. Whomever does the engraving must be able to work with steel not just aluminum because the barrel is where most Thompson owners have theirs done. MadDog 
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I found a jewelry store in Bremen, GA, that did an excellent job on mine. Once they were done, I put some Birchwood Casey Aluminum Black on it, and it blends right back in. There's another guy in Douglasville who is a gunsmith who has a jig for a lower without a stock that he takes to a trophy shop. He makes SBS's and uses that company to do his engraving. |
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For my SBS 870 I used a dremel with a round diamond bit and after practicing on the 'to be cut off' part of the barrel a few times I engraved the keeper part of the barrel. The letters ended up being about 1/8" high and plenty deep. I was surprised at how good it turned out. All those years of writing in block letters finally paid off! When I get the factory 14" barrel I think I'll go to the jewelry store to have it engraved so it will have a more professional look. |
Yes, any time you submit an ATF Form 1, then upon approval by NFA Branch, the new "firearm" you are making must be engraved.
No, only the name of the original "manufacturer" (maker) as per the ATF Form 1 must be engraved on the newly-made NFA Title II "firearm" (suppressor, short-barreled rifle, short-barreled shotgun, any other weapon, destructive device, reactivated war trophy, and before 05/19/1986, machine gun). |
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BigDawg308, Is the guy in Douglasville "G-Man Weaponry"? If so I will give him a call because I have an 870 SBS I need engraved. The receiver of my SBS is steel, not aluminum so I would prefer someone who has experience engraving steel. As far as I know you must engrave the receiver of an SBS not the barrel because that is interchangable on a shotgun. Am I wrong? MadDog 
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i believe the whole idea with a laser is you increase the depth with subsequent cuts. when i had my sbr engraved, the laser made at least 6 passes from first name to last name to city and state. each time cutting out a little bit more (which amounts to deeper). |
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