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Posted: 11/9/2011 3:53:19 PM EDT
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I'm thinking of going down the bore butter route with my Armi Sport 61' Springfield. First off it's easy to find, and pretty cheap, wally-world, or my local shop sells it in any size. It's easy to lube up my minies with it, no need to melt it or anything like a wax based lube, and hell it smells good.
So what am I missing about this stuff, anything else better to be using? |
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I researched this when I bought my ML a few years back.. Most of the reviews/comments said that the bore butter 'seasoning' that it was suppose to happen just cant happen..
I decided to just use a 50/50 mix if rubbing alcohol and windshield washer fluid as my between shot cleaner followed by a dry patch.. At the end of the year I run a CLP patch thru the barrell for storage (although i probably need to use something else).. Just my thoughts based on researching it.. brian |
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I'm kinda anal about cleaning my ML's. I'll spray it out with gunscrubber or brake cleaner, then run patches with windex until they come out clean. Then I'll run dry patches through it, and spray again with gunscrubber, and let it sit overnight. Next day, I'll run more windex and then dry patches, then I'll use a bore solvent and wire brush through it, and let it sit overnight again. The third day, I'll run patches through it until its clean.
When I store it for the year, I'll fill the bore full of Rig. ETA: For my maxi-hunters, I do use the bore butter for lube. |
| Been using the stuff since it came out. Works great as a patch lube for me, and not bad on maxiballs. Everything else it claims to do is exagerated at best, such as seasoning the barrel and preventing rust when used for storage. I've heard some people say that it freezes to the barrel in cold weather, but I've never had a problem here in the Colorado Rockies, and I shoot all winter. It does get hard in lower temperatures and so I prelube patches and load with balls into loading blocks indoors where it's warm and softer. No problem getting them down the barrel after they've cooled off. I've tried other recipes that work well, too, but like you said, it is convenient and available. |
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It probably won't work too well with those paper cartridges you asked about earlier. Some sort of beeswax or tallow based lube would be best if you're going to roll them. Otherwise bore butter always worked well for me. Cpt. Redleg Yeah I took that into consideration. Probably going to go with SPG lube on the paper rounds, melt it, dip base, cool, and roll..... |
| Make your own, it is called "Basilicon" made with bees wax and sweet oil ( olive oil), roughly 4 parts oil to one part wax, heat together until the wax is melted then check for consistency, should be about like very soft chapstick, this is basically the only lube my guns have seen for years, I also make it with bear lard and wax on occasion, it wont stop fouling but it will make cleaning faster, paper cartridges are very fouling.clean with hot or cold water and be done |
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Make your own, it is called "Basilicon" made with bees wax and sweet oil ( olive oil), roughly 4 parts oil to one part wax, heat together until the wax is melted then check for consistency, should be about like very soft chapstick, this is basically the only lube my guns have seen for years, I also make it with bear lard and wax on occasion, it wont stop fouling but it will make cleaning faster, paper cartridges are very fouling.clean with hot or cold water and be done Hrmm, sounds like a good idea, I need to hit up somewhere that sells beeswax. I should have a ton of the stuff, but I don't 
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That formula should work well. I've seen many people use crisco instead of olive oil. some people add soap, others add non pumice hand cleaner to reduce fouling, which seems to work well, some add solvents, others swear you can't. End result is many different types work well, but for paper cartridges you need something that isn't gooey.
I am curious how a paper cartridge would foul more. The US pattern get torn open to dispense the contents and tossed, the British pattern I used for the Enfields retain the paper around the bullet as a patch of sorts, but I have never noticed any increase in fouling because of them. Now, the combustible cartridges I use in the Sharps rifles sometimes do, but usually nothing too bad but I have never attempted to use them in a muzzleloader. Cpt. Redleg |
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I'll just have to play around this winter and see what i come up with. I'm hoping to fire my first BP rounds next weekend if all goes well. Will be using bore butter or crisco for those....
Question, bore butter proper is yellow, but I seen a different variety at wally world today that was blue, looks to be the same stuff, and is even made by Thompson Center, but it's blue what gives? |
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Different colour dye and maybe scent added. Maybe TC now makes a blueberry bore butter. Maybe they decided blue colour works better with bp subs and are marketing it as such. Can't say for sure as I haven't seen it, but 98% of the lubes commonly today available are nearly the same thing but with a different scent and or dye to differentiate one brand from the next. Some smell for all the world like icy hot. Even have an almost identical jar.. Buy what's available, use it, try others later. You may develop an affinity for one or another and swear by only that one, or you may not. I like pine bore butter when loading loose. I like it because it smells better. I like pine. That's my well researched scientific reason right there. If house brand blue colour were all that were available, I'd use it and not worry about it.
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Different colour dye and maybe scent added. Maybe TC now makes a blueberry bore butter. Maybe they decided blue colour works better with bp subs and are marketing it as such. Can't say for sure as I haven't seen it, but 98% of the lubes commonly today available are nearly the same thing but with a different scent and or dye to differentiate one brand from the next. Some smell for all the world like icy hot. Even have an almost identical jar.. Buy what's available, use it, try others later. You may develop an affinity for one or another and swear by only that one, or you may not. I like pine bore butter when loading loose. I like it because it smells better. I like pine. That's my well researched scientific reason right there. If house brand blue colour were all that were available, I'd use it and not worry about it. Cpt. Redleg Yeah I know what your saying, it's kinda like bore cleaners for smokeless stuff, they all do the same stuff they are just different colors and scents
I got to looking around, and I think the blue bore butter was formulated to work with tripple 7 as well as the rest of the BP's, regular BB not so much. I like the smell of the yellow stuff, smells like mint or something the blue I'm not sure on....
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| Bore butter is great, but it is no substitute for cleaning your gun. Hot water and soap does it for me, then lube after all is dry and swabbed out. Bore butter is a great lube, but it does get sluggish in cold weather. When it's cold, I use CLP or Ballistol as lube. |
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The key to using Bore Butter is to follow T/C's instructions. Don't know if they're still advocating it or not, but when using Bore Butter, avoid petroleum-based lubes. I made the mistake of shooting some Hornady Great Plains Bullets with the factory lube once. Had to pull a bullet after two shots, got stuck halfway down.
It always worked for me. |
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The key to using Bore Butter is to follow T/C's instructions. Don't know if they're still advocating it or not, but when using Bore Butter, avoid petroleum-based lubes. I made the mistake of shooting some Hornady Great Plains Bullets with the factory lube once. Had to pull a bullet after two shots, got stuck halfway down. It always worked for me. Yep, I only use either beeswax/tallow mix, SPG lube, bore butter, or crisco as lubes, and only use hot water and the T/C cleaner to clean, and bore butter as a last step to prevent rust. |
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