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Posted: 9/1/2017 10:09:45 PM EDT
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Likely it was where the saddle ring was attached, an real Krag carbine would have a saddle ring for Cavalry use...
Krag carbines are rife with fakes, cut down full length to carbine length, kind of like Trapdoor carbines...so you want to make sure its actually a carbine... An original, complete Krag carbine would be worth some bucks...figure $1500 and up, unless you luck into it.... Conversely, a fake....well done even, $500.... Check it over, and roll the dice, make a low offer, $750-$1000 if legit....the missing saddle ring will have to replaced of course, so use that as a hammer... |
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Posted: 9/1/2017 10:17:25 PM EDT
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Likely it was where the saddle ring was attached, an real Krag carbine would have a saddle ring for Cavalry use... Krag carbines are rife with fakes, cut down full length to carbine length, kind of like Trapdoor carbines...so you want to make sure its actually a carbine... An original, complete Krag carbine would be worth some bucks...figure $1500 and up, unless you luck into it.... Conversely, a fake....well done even, $500.... Check it over, and roll the dice, make a low offer, $750-$1000 if legit....the missing saddle ring will have to replaced of course, so use that as a hammer... |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 6:13:03 AM EDT
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A cut down rifle will have a groove under the barrel where the cleaning rod went
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Posted: 9/2/2017 5:12:18 PM EDT
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A cut down rifle will have a groove under the barrel where the cleaning rod went Front sight should be on a simple base - not a round ring like the Springfield. Sounds like the cut out in the stock was for the sling bar As mentioned a true carbine ( about 10% of the total production which wasn't all that much anyway) Is rather valuable especially if a 96 model which would have been the carbine model used in the Spanish American war. A cut down rifle I wouldn't even give 500 for |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 5:26:24 PM EDT
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Ok. So I made an offer and the guy took it after a couple of back and forth counters.
1895 SN# 268XX 
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Posted: 9/2/2017 5:35:43 PM EDT
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Nice! I wish I had one of those!
Here is a saddle ring assembly I found on eBay... http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-Original-Springfield-US-Krag-Carbine-Saddle-Ring-Bar-Cavalry-K-42-/191314978520 May be a little pricey...but there you go... They have them here, much cheaper... http://www.granpasgunparts.com/new-products/ And yet another place to try.... http://www.therifleshoppe.com/catalog_pages/us_arms/(867).htm |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 5:43:35 PM EDT
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Nice! I wish I had one of those! Here is a saddle ring assembly I found on eBay... http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-Original-Springfield-US-Krag-Carbine-Saddle-Ring-Bar-Cavalry-K-42-/191314978520 May be a little pricey...but there you go... They have them here, much cheaper... http://www.granpasgunparts.com/new-products/ And yet another place to try.... http://www.therifleshoppe.com/catalog_pages/us_arms/(867).htm |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 5:50:44 PM EDT
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Thanks for the links. do you have an idea of what screws I should use for the saddle ring part? http://www.granpasgunparts.com/new-products/copy-of-1873-to-1890-small-butt-plate-screw They would be flat head, blued wood screws essentially.... I can look in my references and see if the small butt plate/swivel screws will work... |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 5:57:12 PM EDT
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Maybe this one? http://www.granpasgunparts.com/new-products/copy-of-1873-to-1890-small-butt-plate-screw They would be flat head, blued wood screws essentially.... I can look in my references and see if the small butt plate/swivel screws will work... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Thanks for the links. do you have an idea of what screws I should use for the saddle ring part? http://www.granpasgunparts.com/new-products/copy-of-1873-to-1890-small-butt-plate-screw They would be flat head, blued wood screws essentially.... I can look in my references and see if the small butt plate/swivel screws will work... |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 6:08:22 PM EDT
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The only thing I see that doesn't look "stock" or has been altered is that it looks like someone at some point had sling mounts on the stock.
One at the end of the butt and one at the end of the fore grip. There are holes in the wood there. |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 6:14:55 PM EDT
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The only thing I see that doesn't look "stock" or has been altered is that it looks like someone at some point had sling mounts on the stock. One at the end of the butt and one at the end of the fore grip. There are holes in the wood there. If that's the case, you can plug the holes with walnut dowel plugs, and neatly trim and gently sand, and they won't be too noticeable.... Sounds like bubba added sling mounts...not uncommon... |
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Posted: 9/2/2017 6:30:28 PM EDT
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Holes, but no inletting? If that's the case, you can plug the holes with walnut dowel plugs, and neatly trim and gently sand, and they won't be too noticeable.... Sounds like bubba added sling mounts...not uncommon... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The only thing I see that doesn't look "stock" or has been altered is that it looks like someone at some point had sling mounts on the stock. One at the end of the butt and one at the end of the fore grip. There are holes in the wood there. If that's the case, you can plug the holes with walnut dowel plugs, and neatly trim and gently sand, and they won't be too noticeable.... Sounds like bubba added sling mounts...not uncommon... |
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Posted: 9/3/2017 10:37:36 AM EDT
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I looked it up, the small butt plate/swivel screw is what was used, although the front screw was shortened to 0.6 inches in length, so I would buy two of them, and shorten one, and Bob's your uncle, you are good to go....
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Posted: 9/4/2017 1:38:30 PM EDT
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Has the later 1899 type rear sight protector built into the band, and something about the installation of the later windage adjustable rear sight looks off, and the front sight blade is a replacement. Would need more pics of complete rifle to get a better idea of originality but if you got this cheap might still be a great deal for a true carbine
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Posted: 9/4/2017 2:17:44 PM EDT
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If I am not mistaken the early ones had a weak bolt. Be careful with it.
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Posted: 9/4/2017 6:46:47 PM EDT
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Has the later 1899 type rear sight protector built into the band, and something about the installation of the later windage adjustable rear sight looks off, and the front sight blade is a replacement. Would need more pics of complete rifle to get a better idea of originality but if you got this cheap might still be a great deal for a true carbine I will take pics of: Rear sight Stock Front sight band fore end buttstock |
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Posted: 9/4/2017 6:48:47 PM EDT
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If I am not mistaken the early ones had a weak bolt. Be careful with it. It was kind of a impulse buy because I knew that the Krag has a following and I like collecting. It was one I didn't have yet basically. |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 11:37:43 AM EDT
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Serial numbers for the carbines can be found here.....and not all got the saddle ring....that is a little like saying a m1 carbine is not "real" because it does not have a bayonet lug...not true.
http://www.bowersweapons.com/SA%20US%20KRAG%20serial%20numbers.htm |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 11:48:52 AM EDT
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Now a little on shooting it, as I did not catch it anywhere.
They are a bit of a pain to take down....I suggest a youtube video or two before you have a go....and watch your fingers...they can bite you. You will know you touched something off when shooting the thing....you will get a thump. For factory be ready to spend about $2 per bang....you need to reload if you want to enjoy this rifle. I load mine a bit soft...well because it is a 100+ year old gun, I am old, and a pussy.... People still make brass, but it is not like you are going to be running this like your plastic fantastic AR...so 100 rounds will last a LONG TIME for most folks. They are fun, and are not that far off of more "modern" flavors, loading the thing everyone touts as a pain, is not that bad, do it 3 times and it is easy, and real easy to top off. The action is not the strongest in the world....so don't go crazy with it, but it is smooth...guess that one lug will do that for you. I really like them, they do not deserve the garbage they get.....load shoot and enjoy it. |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 12:21:20 PM EDT
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The only thing I see that doesn't look "stock" or has been altered is that it looks like someone at some point had sling mounts on the stock. One at the end of the butt and one at the end of the fore grip. There are holes in the wood there. They used it as a deer rifle for years....I have it now, not worth much as it has been pretty heavy sportered by two country bumpkins from Tenn. But it does shoot well. Point is quite a few have been "modified" over the years. |
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Posted: 9/7/2017 1:48:55 PM EDT
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Serial numbers for the carbines can be found here.....and not all got the saddle ring....that is a little like saying a m1 carbine is not "real" because it does not have a bayonet lug...not true. http://www.bowersweapons.com/SA%20US%20KRAG%20serial%20numbers.htm |
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Posted: 9/8/2017 2:18:24 PM EDT
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Yeah, but if it was inlet for one, and has screw holes, it had a saddle ring and bar... They are fun guns....I really need to find a new pic hosting site so I can show off mine and do some HAY LOOK AT ME type stuff. |
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