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Posted: 11/29/2015 11:44:35 AM EDT
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Well if no one else is going to mention it, what are you thoughts on the recent approval by Obama for sale of 1911s out of the CMP
Second, I've heard that they must ship to an FFL, I don't know if that's true but I've seen it, I hope the CMP accepts C&R on these guns. |
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And once they start going on sale; a-holes like y'all will hoard them... 
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Prolly at least 1-2 years before anyone gets one. And once they start going on sale; a-holes like y'all will hoard them...
I know I will... Not a hoarder, collector 
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Not a hoarder, collector <a href="http://s113.photobucket.com/user/DVCER/media/m1fun009_zpsfe0761ed.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n237/DVCER/m1fun009_zpsfe0761ed.jpg</a> Quoted:
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Prolly at least 1-2 years before anyone gets one. And once they start going on sale; a-holes like y'all will hoard them...
I know I will... Not a hoarder, collector <a href="http://s113.photobucket.com/user/DVCER/media/m1fun009_zpsfe0761ed.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n237/DVCER/m1fun009_zpsfe0761ed.jpg</a> Eta thought it was GD lol |
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I'll believe it when I see it; I simply don't trust this administration. I believe they will do anything in their power to stop handgun sales to the public. Now the next administration - that might be a different story altogether. Yeah, but this was not something they wanted, it was part of a larger bill. |
| Typically the Secretaries will go along with the Congress on this type of authorization. Why ? Because the law is included with the annual Defense Authorization Bill. You don't want to piss off those who control your funding. You also don't want to burn political capital on a issue that has already been signed into law. |
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Quoted: Typically the Secretaries will go along with the Congress on this type of authorization. Why ? Because the law is included with the annual Defense Authorization Bill. You don't want to piss off those who control your funding. You also don't want to burn political capital on a issue that has already been signed into law. 'Typical' does not seem to describe this administration's Secretaries. SECDEF Ash Carter seems pretty solid, though. |
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Typically the Secretaries will go along with the Congress on this type of authorization. Why ? Because the law is included with the annual Defense Authorization Bill. You don't want to piss off those who control your funding. You also don't want to burn political capital on a issue that has already been signed into law. I hope for our sake you are right! If you are right, then the time frame being discussed is about 12 to 24 months after the date the bill was signed into law. So around November of next year or the year after. 
I'll add that CMP has done a great job of ferreting out 30-06 ammo from all over (Greece was a major source); hopefully they will start doing the same for 9mm and 45 ACP soon. |
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They BETTER be C&R My friend carried one through 85 before they switched to Beretta. Do we know what years these were made? Seems everyone thinks they are going to get a mint WWII or Korean war era 1911... Not likely. If these are the crap my friend carried, then no.. they will and should not be C&R IMO. There are rules that don't make sense to me and you... but rules nonetheless. CMP shouldn't get a free pass while every other manufacturer or retailer gets the shaft. That isn't the American way. I love CMP, don't get me wrong.. And I love the way they do business. IMO.. I think the Gooberment should just be handing them out to tax payers as tax refunds when you check the couple boxes that say "I am not insane" and "I paid too much this year". But that is a whole different discussion. Keep in mind we paid for them already and will pay again!!! CMP does sell other non-C&R stuff, right? (thought I saw some but not interested in those). |
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What kind of condition? I would expect they are beat to hell and back. As mentioned in my other post, I had a friend who carried one with the MP's in the early 80's. They joked about the poor shape they were then. They were old and beat.. And "couldn't hit the broad side of a barn." The berettas they got in 86 were much better. That said, he also said he is dying to get one again. So, nostalgia will be the marketing that sells these. |
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I'm hearing these will be mostly be arsenal rebuilds. The rarer models will remain original and sold at auction. Quoted:
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What kind of condition? I would expect they are beat to hell and back. I'm hearing these will be mostly be arsenal rebuilds. The rarer models will remain original and sold at auction. Indeed - just like most of the CMP Garands which were re-built at some point. You might find a WW I frame with a 1960s era slide and other updated parts added over time, then arsenal re-parked. That's just how the issue guns were when they were retired. Still decent shooters though. |
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The practical effect wil be to put a damper on the rapidly escalating prices of WW2 1911's. I'm not expecting much from the actual guns sold by the CMP. It didn't work that way with either the carbines or the 03's. It just increased demand across the board. it brought new people into the game. |
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I just received an email from CMP sales. An update on the 1911's
The NDAA 2016 has passed. We have no further information concerning the status of the 1911s. We will update our customers as we know more. Please do not email or call with questions regarding the 1911s. Our systems are overloaded. Apparently there are a bunch of 1911 collectors out there. |
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The last USGI M1911A1 was made in 1945 so yes................they are all C&R. Quoted:
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They BETTER be C&R The last USGI M1911A1 was made in 1945 so yes................they are all C&R. Guess I missed where these are only A1's. True? If so, bueno.. Didnt know there were that many left out there in storage. Gooberment sits on them this long. |
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Guess I missed where these are only A1's. True? If so, bueno.. Didnt know there were that many left out there in storage. Gooberment sits on them this long. Quoted:
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They BETTER be C&R The last USGI M1911A1 was made in 1945 so yes................they are all C&R. Guess I missed where these are only A1's. True? If so, bueno.. Didnt know there were that many left out there in storage. Gooberment sits on them this long. I am thinking they're all lumped into the A1 category now. That said when I was in an MP company we had a whole Christmas tree rack of .45's. We had a handful of 1911's that were rebuilt as A1's short of the frame cuts, ie arched mainspring housing, new plastic grips, and reparked and probably all new springs and guts. |
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Does the authorization specifically limit sales to M1911's and M1911A1's? Does it include all surplus service pistols such as revolvers? I have little interest in mix master rebuilt M1911A1's. The language, as passed specifically names them as Model 1911 and 1911A1 .45 caliber pistols. It will be a while. |
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I hope these drive down overall 1911 prices enough where I can get a nice 1911 at a reduced price. I'd always had an affinity for the Sistema... Highly doubt that it will drive down the price of the bringback, early DCM, or any of the early arsenal rebuild 1911's. The ones the CMP will sell are likely going to have been rebuilt MANY times with post-war replacement parts and will be heavily worn in a lot of cases, and the nice original ones they do get are going to bring top dollar. |
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The language, as passed specifically names them as Model 1911 and 1911A1 .45 caliber pistols. It will be a while. Quoted:
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Does the authorization specifically limit sales to M1911's and M1911A1's? Does it include all surplus service pistols such as revolvers? I have little interest in mix master rebuilt M1911A1's. The language, as passed specifically names them as Model 1911 and 1911A1 .45 caliber pistols. It will be a while. Thanks - I wasn't aware of that. Too bad they excluded the 38 cal revolvers they probably have! Not to mention that if it had simply said "handguns" it could have eventually applied to M-11s (Sig 228) and M-9s (Beretta 92s). |
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