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Posted: 10/11/2014 10:38:45 PM EDT
Well, I have a a K98 that a I bought a couple years back and haven't really had out or looked at the markings other then it was made at Berlin-Lübecker Maschinenfabrik Lübeck and I am looking for more confirmation and or correction in my thinking. I know that its a bring back but what I think happened is that someone tried to refinish it at some point. Its a (mostly numbers matching gun but in weird places). As we know most of these guns were thrown in piles and mismatched receivers and bolts came to be. That is not the case here. Everything matches except the stock, and magazine cover and the appropriate screws. Also looks like the nazi symbols were drilled/removed.
Thoughts? Maybe on worth as well if I've supplied enough information. ETA: I am more of Mosin Nagant variant kind of guy so these german guns (also have GEW98) are a new ball field to me. |
| It was probably a sportered rifle that someone tried to restore to original spec. The dead giveaway is the stock, it's off a Russian captured gun (serial number on the buttstock, shellac, black paint on disc). The bolt matches so that is a good thing. I'm sure it will be a fine shooter, value is around $500. |
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Your stock is clearly off a so-called Russian captured German 98k.Note the reddish shellac finish, remnants of black paint on the takedown disk and the serial number stamping perpendicular to the buttplate.
Your barreled action and assorted parts do not bear the typical signs of a Russian capture: dipped bluing, mismatched and electric penciled parts. Your mostly matched metal parts with remnants of the original bluing is not typically seen on an RC. You mention that the wafflen ampts have been dinged, but I didn't see that in your photos. Dinged, peened or otherwise obliterated swasticas are an indication of a Russian capture. Whether or not the rifle is an RC, your belief that the rifle is a bringback could be correct as many Russian captured Mausers were brought-back from Vietnam. Note that the vast majority of Russian captured Mausers found today will be imports from the last ten years or so. In short, you have a number of characteristics that are at odds and defy the standard explanations. My guess is that you have a 98k, either brought-back from WWII or imported pre '68 that someone has restocked with a Russian capture stock. |
| When i saw the serial number i said isnt that something and bought it. I realize that this gun is a little more complicated then most but it does shoot accurately with prvi when i took it out a couple years ago. I really appreciate the insight. Im sure ill have other random rifles that im not sure of as time goes on. Thanks again. |
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I'd be more concerned with all those "88"s stamped on it. 
I'm sure it's just a "rescue" of some type....Maybe off a Romanian Capture? They came in with the birds peened and pretty much devoid of finish. Definitely a RC (Russian Capture) stock. I'm guessing Romy capture, they had alot of matching parts on those rifles. I have one that is about 80% matching parts, but as you said the romy's peened the birds. On mine they peened them real good 
Stock is a RC, no questions. |
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I'm with you guys. Romanian capture in a Russian stock. Makes for a good shooter or trading fodder. They do indeed. I own a former Romy capture that is 80% matching, it was in a horribly sanded and broken stock, bought it for a song and dance, and I found a restored RC walnut stock, of the correct manufacture even, and it has become my most favorite K98 I own. oldest too, it's a S42/G 
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They do indeed. I own a former Romy capture that is 80% matching, it was in a horribly sanded and broken stock, bought it for a song and dance, and I found a restored RC walnut stock, of the correct manufacture even, and it has become my most favorite K98 I own. oldest too, it's a S42/G
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I'm with you guys. Romanian capture in a Russian stock. Makes for a good shooter or trading fodder. They do indeed. I own a former Romy capture that is 80% matching, it was in a horribly sanded and broken stock, bought it for a song and dance, and I found a restored RC walnut stock, of the correct manufacture even, and it has become my most favorite K98 I own. oldest too, it's a S42/G
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h313/joe7170/romy%20capture%20k98/112_0375.jpg Would it be worth my time to find an original stock that hasn't had shellac all over it? Also if it is, is there something specific to look for in order to make it moderately complete? |
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Would it be worth my time to find an original stock that hasn't had shellac all over it? Also if it is, is there something specific to look for in order to make it moderately complete? Quoted:
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I'm with you guys. Romanian capture in a Russian stock. Makes for a good shooter or trading fodder. They do indeed. I own a former Romy capture that is 80% matching, it was in a horribly sanded and broken stock, bought it for a song and dance, and I found a restored RC walnut stock, of the correct manufacture even, and it has become my most favorite K98 I own. oldest too, it's a S42/G
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h313/joe7170/romy%20capture%20k98/112_0375.jpg Would it be worth my time to find an original stock that hasn't had shellac all over it? Also if it is, is there something specific to look for in order to make it moderately complete? IMO, I'd clean up the stock, remove the Shellac, and black paint, and BLO it, put it back on the rifle and shoot it. Finding a stock that would be correct for year and manufacture is not worth the time or price you'd pay for one. I lucked out on mine. You on the other hand have a good RC stock to work with. |
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Yes it barely has any dents. Some scrapes here and there but overall a great starting point. So then it's possible to remove the shellac without ruining the underlying finish if there is any or would this be a complete refinishing job? Sorry for my ignorance to the topic.
ETA: I just want to do it right if at all since I am more of a leave it alone person....I am one of the guys that gets butthurt when someone refinishes a mosin that was perfectly fine lol
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Yes it barely has any dents. Some scrapes here and there but overall a great starting point. So then it's possible to remove the shellac without ruining the underlying finish if there is any or would this be a complete refinishing job? Sorry for my ignorance to the topic. ETA: I just want to do it right if at all since I am more of a leave it alone person....I am one of the guys that gets butthurt when someone refinishes a mosin that was perfectly fine lol The topic of removing the shellac from a RC is a debated one yes, but honestly shellac on a K98 is but ugly. Personally all of my RC's have had it removed by me. On a Mosin, they are meant to be that way , and I'd never refinish a mosin stock. Since this rifle is not a true RC, leaving the shellac really has no point. I'd get some denatured alcohol, strip the shellac, remove that ugly ass paint from the stock disk, and try to heat out a little cosmo from the stock, and finish with a good coat of BLO. Then it'll look like a real K98. |
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You can use duct tape to remove the shellac from the stock. Just apply and remove and it should remove the shellac without otherwise touching the stock.
I wouldn't do it to a normal RC these days but since that's just an RC stock on a Romy capture (RC too? ) I'd go for it.
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You can use duct tape to remove the shellac from the stock. Just apply and remove and it should remove the shellac without otherwise touching the stock. I wouldn't do it to a normal RC these days but since that's just an RC stock on a Romy capture (RC too? ) I'd go for it.Lol yeah it's a mutt in the stock department 
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The thing with the Romy captures is often the stocks were in decent un-sanded condition and the rifle sold for cheap.
Folks would buy the rifle, pull the matching stock/HG and sell it for a couple hundred and then get a $50.00 RC stock from J&G and build it back out and sell it. At least they put a flat butt plate stock back on it. LOL....I'm still setting on a very nice Romy capture bcd 43 stock/hg/hardware/bolt I pulled off a $150.00 Romy capture with a sewer-pipe bore. |
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The thing with the Romy captures is often the stocks were in decent un-sanded condition and the rifle sold for cheap. Folks would buy the rifle, pull the matching stock/HG and sell it for a couple hundred and then get a $50.00 RC stock from J&G and build it back out and sell it. At least they put a flat butt plate stock back on it. LOL....I'm still setting on a very nice Romy capture bcd 43 stock/hg/hardware/bolt I pulled off a $150.00 Romy capture with a sewer-pipe bore. I just picked up a Romy capture with the original stock for $260. Waffenamts are on the stock, but pretty faded. Mostly matching including the front sling loop and barrel band. Bolt is a straight one from a VZ24 however. It has some vertical hairline cracks in it though by the magazine, I'm not sure I want to shoot it 
ETA: Did the Romanians re-number the stocks? Mine has the number stamped vertically like a Yugo capture. The eagles on the barrel and receiver were scrubbed. |
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I just picked up a Romy capture with the original stock for $260. Waffenamts are on the stock, but pretty faded. Mostly matching including the front sling loop and barrel band. Bolt is a straight one from a VZ24 however. It has some vertical hairline cracks in it though by the magazine, I'm not sure I want to shoot it
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The thing with the Romy captures is often the stocks were in decent un-sanded condition and the rifle sold for cheap. Folks would buy the rifle, pull the matching stock/HG and sell it for a couple hundred and then get a $50.00 RC stock from J&G and build it back out and sell it. At least they put a flat butt plate stock back on it. LOL....I'm still setting on a very nice Romy capture bcd 43 stock/hg/hardware/bolt I pulled off a $150.00 Romy capture with a sewer-pipe bore. I just picked up a Romy capture with the original stock for $260. Waffenamts are on the stock, but pretty faded. Mostly matching including the front sling loop and barrel band. Bolt is a straight one from a VZ24 however. It has some vertical hairline cracks in it though by the magazine, I'm not sure I want to shoot it
ETA: Did the Romanians re-number the stocks? Mine has the number stamped vertically like a Yugo capture. The eagles on the barrel and receiver were scrubbed. Not to the best of my knowledge. I've owned two and neither had the stocks numbered other than what the Germans put on them. |
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Quoted: I can only assume. Due to its no import marks its either pre 68 or a bring back. Quoted: Quoted: How do you know it's a bring back? I can only assume. Due to its no import marks its either pre 68 or a bring back. |
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How do you know it's a bring back? I can only assume. Due to its no import marks its either pre 68 or a bring back. I know which is why i also said it could be a pre 68 |
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