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Posted: 5/18/2014 8:27:57 PM EDT
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I'm looking at my second Enfield...just don't know everything about these yet. Especially since I made the dumbass mistake of not taking out the retaining screw that holds the firing pin in the cocking mechanism of the bolt before attempting disassembly...Let's just say I made an embarrassing post in GD and...bent firing pin??? Hopefully won't make that mistake again...anywho.
Found this one showing local. A BSA SHTLE MK I 1907. Pics don't look bad, but I did notice it's missing the "band"??? that crosses over the bolt that I've seen on other MK I's. Anyone shed some light on this? Maybe this forestock is from a later model? Seen a few models that don't have that machining but usually in a different stock without the cut. After that story, it's $400 w/ 200rds ammo. Deal? No Deal? Thanks for any details, guys. 
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I'm looking at my second Enfield...just don't know everything about these yet. Especially since I made the dumbass mistake of not taking out the retaining screw that holds the firing pin in the cocking mechanism of the bolt before attempting disassembly...Let's just say I made an embarrassing post in GD and...bent firing pin??? Hopefully won't make that mistake again...anywho. Found this one showing local. A BSA SHTLE MK I 1906. Pics don't look bad, but I did notice it's missing the "band"??? that crosses over the bolt that I've seen on other MK I's. Anyone shed some light on this? Maybe this forestock is from a later model? Seen a few models that don't have that machining but usually in a different stock without the cut. After that story, it's $400 w/ 200rds ammo. Deal? No Deal? Thanks for any details, guys. http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad213/Jagrmaister/2999061_03_bsa_shtle_mk_1_w_ammo_640_zps729b98d1.jpg Is the ammo new production? If so thats $140 or so worth of ammo alone. So yes thats a good deal. The forstock is a replacment and is lacking the cutout for the magazine cut off. The pictures are shit (typical crap cell phone in a dungeon environment) so its hard to make out if its missing anything serious. If its a local deal and it close it wouldn't hurt checking it out. |
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Typical Irish half-convert Mk. I***.
These were refurbished in the 20's and given SMLE Mk. III rear sights, handguards, and sometimes forestocks. Price would be good if it's one of those. The other possibility is that it's a Moron Special (i.e. Bubba'ed) that someone attempted to restore using incorrect furniture. If it's that, it's overpriced as it's still a Bubba'ed rifle. The key is the serial prefix. If it's a CR, it's supposed to look like that and it's absolutely worth $400. If it's not CR (ER, G, or any other letter) it's overpriced. |
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Typical Irish half-convert Mk. I***. These were refurbished in the 20's and given SMLE Mk. III rear sights, handguards, and sometimes forestocks. Price would be good if it's one of those. The other possibility is that it's a Moron Special (i.e. Bubba'ed) that someone attempted to restore using incorrect furniture. If it's that, it's overpriced as it's still a Bubba'ed rifle. The key is the serial prefix. If it's a CR, it's supposed to look like that and it's absolutely worth $400. If it's not CR (ER, G, or any other letter) it's overpriced. Looked at the ad again. It is indeed an ER, not CR. Guess it's a moron special.  Might be a nice shooter and probably still an alright deal with the ammo, but think I'm going to pass for now.
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Looked at the ad again. It is indeed an ER, not CR. Guess it's a moron special. Might be a nice shooter and probably still an alright deal with the ammo, but think I'm going to pass for now.Quoted:
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Typical Irish half-convert Mk. I***. These were refurbished in the 20's and given SMLE Mk. III rear sights, handguards, and sometimes forestocks. Price would be good if it's one of those. The other possibility is that it's a Moron Special (i.e. Bubba'ed) that someone attempted to restore using incorrect furniture. If it's that, it's overpriced as it's still a Bubba'ed rifle. The key is the serial prefix. If it's a CR, it's supposed to look like that and it's absolutely worth $400. If it's not CR (ER, G, or any other letter) it's overpriced. Looked at the ad again. It is indeed an ER, not CR. Guess it's a moron special. Might be a nice shooter and probably still an alright deal with the ammo, but think I'm going to pass for now.Hold on a minute. I think you're confused. I found the Armslist ad you're talking about. You cannot see the serial number in any of the photos. MVolkJ is specifically talking about the serial number prefix being "CR". NOT the royal cypher on the butt socket. So there's a chance that it's still legit. Contact the seller, and ask them what the rifle's serial number is. The serial is marked on the forward right side of the receiver (and on various other small parts). This is a CR prefix serial: 
What you were looking at in the photos was the "ER" royal cypher, which stands for "Edward Rex". King Edward VII was reigning at the time that the rifle was produced in 1907. So that is totally correct. (King George V ascended to the throne in 1910, so post-1910 Lee-Enfield rifles will be marked "GR" on the butt socket.) This is not the same as the serial number prefix. 
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Hold on a minute. I think you're confused. I found the Armslist ad you're talking about. You cannot see the serial number in any of the photos. Jagrmaister is specifically talking about the serial number prefix being "CR". NOT the royal cypher on the butt socket. So there's a chance that it's still legit. Contact the seller, and ask them what the rifle's serial number is. The serial is marked on the forward right side of the receiver (and on various other small parts). This is a CR prefix serial: http://www.byswordandmusket.co.uk/wp-content/imagescaler/f39db768866826ccddf65be6bf7ed1bd.jpg http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g236/Gutss/IMG_2151.jpg What you were looking at in the photos was the "ER" royal cypher, which stands for "Edward Rex". King Edward VII was reigning at the time that the rifle was produced in 1907. So that is totally correct. (King George V ascended to the throne in 1910, so post-1910 Lee-Enfield rifles will be marked "GR" on the butt socket.) This is not the same as the serial number prefix. http://cdn2.armslist.com/sites/armslist/uploads/posts/2014/04/28/2999061_02_bsa_shtle_mk_1_w_ammo_640.jpg Quoted:
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Typical Irish half-convert Mk. I***. These were refurbished in the 20's and given SMLE Mk. III rear sights, handguards, and sometimes forestocks. Price would be good if it's one of those. The other possibility is that it's a Moron Special (i.e. Bubba'ed) that someone attempted to restore using incorrect furniture. If it's that, it's overpriced as it's still a Bubba'ed rifle. The key is the serial prefix. If it's a CR, it's supposed to look like that and it's absolutely worth $400. If it's not CR (ER, G, or any other letter) it's overpriced. Looked at the ad again. It is indeed an ER, not CR. Guess it's a moron special. Might be a nice shooter and probably still an alright deal with the ammo, but think I'm going to pass for now.Hold on a minute. I think you're confused. I found the Armslist ad you're talking about. You cannot see the serial number in any of the photos. Jagrmaister is specifically talking about the serial number prefix being "CR". NOT the royal cypher on the butt socket. So there's a chance that it's still legit. Contact the seller, and ask them what the rifle's serial number is. The serial is marked on the forward right side of the receiver (and on various other small parts). This is a CR prefix serial: http://www.byswordandmusket.co.uk/wp-content/imagescaler/f39db768866826ccddf65be6bf7ed1bd.jpg http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g236/Gutss/IMG_2151.jpg What you were looking at in the photos was the "ER" royal cypher, which stands for "Edward Rex". King Edward VII was reigning at the time that the rifle was produced in 1907. So that is totally correct. (King George V ascended to the throne in 1910, so post-1910 Lee-Enfield rifles will be marked "GR" on the butt socket.) This is not the same as the serial number prefix. http://cdn2.armslist.com/sites/armslist/uploads/posts/2014/04/28/2999061_02_bsa_shtle_mk_1_w_ammo_640.jpg Ha...you really want me to buy this thing, don't you???  Thanks for the clarification and I'll hit back the seller to see what he's got.
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Just don't want you to miss out on a potentially good deal on a rather uncommon variant, simply because you mistook a proof mark for a serial number prefix. Buyer got back to me. Indeed, it was a Bubba. He admitted it being a shooter and sporterized at one point, and the stock replaced to make it look more original. Serial marked "G" if I'm not mistaken. Will make a nice shooter for someone, just not me. Thanks for the education, AR15.commers. |
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Buyer got back to me. Indeed, it was a Bubba. He admitted it being a shooter and sporterized at one point, and the stock replaced to make it look more original. Serial marked "G" if I'm not mistaken. Will make a nice shooter for someone, just not me. Thanks for the education, AR15.commers. Quoted:
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Just don't want you to miss out on a potentially good deal on a rather uncommon variant, simply because you mistook a proof mark for a serial number prefix. Buyer got back to me. Indeed, it was a Bubba. He admitted it being a shooter and sporterized at one point, and the stock replaced to make it look more original. Serial marked "G" if I'm not mistaken. Will make a nice shooter for someone, just not me. Thanks for the education, AR15.commers. A "G" marked rifle was once a cord-wrapped grenade launcher. |
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