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7/6/2013 12:34:16 PM EDT
How much more valuable is a gun without any import markings? If you had two identical guns, same condition etc. and one had them and one didn't lets just say a run of the mill mosin, how much difference in value would there be?  I realize that guns that don't have import marks are more desiarable but is it a big deal to have one with the import marks, or is it just it is what it is?
7/6/2013 1:18:42 PM EDT
[#1]
It depends on the buyer and the gun.

A run of the mill 91/30?  Maybe another ten bucks.

An all original K98?  Whole different ballgame.


7/6/2013 3:42:07 PM EDT
[#2]
I won't even buy a mil-surp with a Bilboard import mark anymore unless it's dirt cheap. Then I'll use it for trading fodder.

It's a huge turn-off to me when it comes to mil-surps.

Yes I will pay a slight premium for a discrete under barrel, tiny. or no marking....But I won't say how much.
7/6/2013 6:35:36 PM EDT
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I won't even buy a mil-surp with a Bilboard import mark anymore unless it's dirt cheap. Then I'll use it for trading fodder.

It's a huge turn-off to me when it comes to mil-surps.

Yes I will pay a slight premium for a discrete under barrel, tiny. or no marking....But I won't say how much.


Is there some law that says it has to be visable? Other than the convienience of just putting it on the reciever why don't they put it on the bottom of the barrel that's covered by the stock?
7/7/2013 9:38:51 AM EDT
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I won't even buy a mil-surp with a Bilboard import mark anymore unless it's dirt cheap. Then I'll use it for trading fodder.

It's a huge turn-off to me when it comes to mil-surps.

Yes I will pay a slight premium for a discrete under barrel, tiny. or no marking....But I won't say how much.


Is there some law that says it has to be visable? Other than the convienience of just putting it on the reciever why don't they put it on the bottom of the barrel that's covered by the stock?


Yes there is. It changed in 2002.

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/guides/importation-verification/firearms-verification-overview.html

"Must be conspicuously engraved, cast or stamped (impressed) on the firearm frame or receiver"

"For firearms imported after January 30, 2002, the engraving, casting or stamping (impressing) of the serial number must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch and in a print size no smaller than 1/16 inch"


That is why you see the Mosins with the ugly-ass "billboard" receiver import marks. It's really a shame what the bilboards do to the looks of a handgun like the CZ-82s and Nagants.

7/8/2013 7:15:44 AM EDT
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I won't even buy a mil-surp with a Bilboard import mark anymore unless it's dirt cheap. Then I'll use it for trading fodder.

It's a huge turn-off to me when it comes to mil-surps.

Yes I will pay a slight premium for a discrete under barrel, tiny. or no marking....But I won't say how much.


Is there some law that says it has to be visable? Other than the convienience of just putting it on the reciever why don't they put it on the bottom of the barrel that's covered by the stock?


Yes there is. It changed in 2002.

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/guides/importation-verification/firearms-verification-overview.html

"Must be conspicuously engraved, cast or stamped (impressed) on the firearm frame or receiver"

"For firearms imported after January 30, 2002, the engraving, casting or stamping (impressing) of the serial number must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch and in a print size no smaller than 1/16 inch"


That is why you see the Mosins with the ugly-ass "billboard" receiver import marks. It's really a shame what the bilboards do to the looks of a handgun like the CZ-82s and Nagants.



The importer's serial number has to be on the frame/receiver. The importer's info with caliber and country of origin can be on the frame, recevier, slide, or barrel. I guess Century and some others decided to set up thier marking machines to just put all of the information together, which is on the receiver.
7/11/2013 12:39:22 PM EDT
[#6]
It's highly variable and it's going to depend on the condition of the gun, the type of gun, amount of available guns with no import marks, and the size/quality of the import marks.
7/12/2013 7:49:49 PM EDT
[#7]
It all depends on the buyer, some hard core collectors will pay up to 50+ extra for a gun with no visible import marks but in most cases it will not effect the price.
7/14/2013 4:23:04 AM EDT
[#8]
Also depends on the type rifle, Garands it generally deducts $100
7/14/2013 6:23:34 AM EDT
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Also depends on the type rifle, Garands it generally deducts $100


On a vintage Colt revolver it can cut the collector value by a third.

7/14/2013 8:01:27 AM EDT
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It depends on the buyer and the gun.

A run of the mill 91/30?  Maybe another ten bucks.

An all original K98?  Whole different ballgame.




yep with lugers you loose 30% or more for import markings
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