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Posted: 5/13/2012 12:49:31 PM EDT
| A place near me has two "un-issued" No.4 Mk.2's from the 50's. My question is how much are they worth? They want about $700 for each, and they do look excellent but my Knowledge of enfields is pretty poor and as such I have no idea of what they are actually worth. |
A in the wrap No4 can bring up to a grand. Depends on what the serial number is. UF or PF series.
A unwrapped and unfired No4 can bring 7-800 bucks easy. 
Once you have a hundred rounds fired it's value is reduced, I've seen them selling the $400-600 area. Depending on what contract it is. 
Of the two below I bought 9078 unfired for $125 a long time ago. Two years ago I found 9077 at a local show and paid $400 for it, the sequential serial number made it worth it to me. 
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It's definitely unwrapped. The guy says they're unfired and they both look it, but is there anyway to tell? Like do Enfields have any tell tale signs that they've been fired? Not that I can think of , so if he man says they are unfired do you trust he's telling the truth is the question! |
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It's definitely unwrapped. The guy says they're unfired and they both look it, but is there anyway to tell? Like do Enfields have any tell tale signs that they've been fired? Not that I can think of , so if he man says they are unfired do you trust he's telling the truth is the question! regardless, those rifles are LNIB and will be priced accordingly. Even if they were fired a few times. |
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It's definitely unwrapped. The guy says they're unfired and they both look it, but is there anyway to tell? Like do Enfields have any tell tale signs that they've been fired? Look for brass on the bolt head. But honestly, if it LOOKS unfired, what difference does it make? personally not a fan of the blondies... they look..... wrong. |
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Inspect the end of the bolt for indications of being fired. These new MkII's really don't start grouping well until around a 100+/- rounds. If you after a shooter a rifle that has had a few rounds fired is fine.
The blondes, or Beech wood well darken up after years of BLO and light exposure. This 1943 Long Branch received a MkI/3 FTR in 1953 and received all new beech wood. It is considerably darker then as new. 
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well, went ahead and got it. seems like most if not all of the marks on the weapon are from handling, working the bolt, etc. Bore is bright and sharp so I believed him when he said it had never been shot. It appears most of the cosmo had been wiped off some some point but a lot remains on the bolt and inside the receiver. small import mark on the right side of the barrel
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With the bayonet! Nice find!
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UF or PF are just a different 'series" of serial;l numbers. The UF rifles weer built for a RAF contract I believe. Your PF32XXXX is a Irish Contract rifle. It appears in typical condition. I would like to see more pic's of the end of the bolt head. It appears to be damaged around the edges. Don't panic, if it is it's a cheap easy fix. The marking on the end of the barrel is the UK proof marks. All these received these proof marks when sold to civilian service, it's UK law.
Good .303 surplus is hard to find. You may find some as a private sale. Don't waste money on Packy or Indian ammo. Priv shoots great and reloads great. The top rifle is two months newer than yours in the same contract serial number range, it's PF338799. The bottom rifle is 5/55 build in the UF serials. They are identical for all practical purposes.
I would strip this down and clean the wood. Mix up a 50/50 blo and turpintine mix and lightly scrub the wood with 0000 steel/brass wool. Wipe it dry and let it dry 24hrs. Then do 1 or 2 coats of straight BLO, apply it fairly thick with your fingers and let it soak for 20-30 minutes then wipe dry and allow to air dry 24hrs. A follow up with some Tom's gunstock wax. |
I swear I'm going to shoot one of the unissued PF's before I sell them. I see them poster here for $900 and up add $200 if still in the paper. Mice got to mine and made nesting material of the paper and pee'd on the canvas slings,smaelled so bad when I opened the locker.
Cheers 
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Speaking of dark stocks and PF serialized MKIIs, here is mine. Mine is also a 32XXXX built in November of 1954, I wonder how close we are to each other. Whatever the case, it appears as though our rifles were led down two distinctly different paths. It took 16 overnight soakings with wipe-out to get the bore copper free. It is all matching down to the bayonet. Enjoy your new rifle.
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Speaking of dark stocks and PF serialized MKIIs, here is mine. Mine is also a 32XXXX built in November of 1954, I wonder how close we are to each other. Whatever the case, it appears as though our rifles were led down two distinctly different paths. It took 16 overnight soakings with wipe-out to get the bore copper free. It is all matching down to the bayonet. Enjoy your new rifle. http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k425/LPCVT/IMG_12351.jpg That one has been in service. I had a Irish PF that had considerable wear and tear. There is not a pattern that show why some are new and yet others have seen years of service. Maybe someone kyped a few pallets of these and sold them on the black market. |
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Speaking of dark stocks and PF serialized MKIIs, here is mine. Mine is also a 32XXXX built in November of 1954, I wonder how close we are to each other. Whatever the case, it appears as though our rifles were led down two distinctly different paths. It took 16 overnight soakings with wipe-out to get the bore copper free. It is all matching down to the bayonet. Enjoy your new rifle. http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k425/LPCVT/IMG_12351.jpg That one has been in service. I had a Irish PF that had considerable wear and tear. There is not a pattern that show why some are new and yet others have seen years of service. Maybe someone kyped a few pallets of these and sold them on the black market. The Irish did receive and use a fair number of these rifles. This is confirmed from pictures of the rifles in service as well as reports from soldiers in the Irish Army. When the Irish surplussed them, they sold off the unused and usable used rifles, and tossed the rest (including a bunch of DPed No. 4s) into the Irish Sea. |
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Finally got the chance to shoot it. I had heard how smooth the Enfield's were supposed to be, but dear god it's like glass! I wonder how I went this long without one! Definitely satisfied with the purchase. Sweet aren't they? If there was still cheap surplus ammo these would be one of the most popular mil-surps around. Even with spendy ammo they sell well. The bolt is like a hot knife through butter. |
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Finally got the chance to shoot it. I had heard how smooth the Enfield's were supposed to be, but dear god it's like glass! I wonder how I went this long without one! Definitely satisfied with the purchase. Sweet aren't they? If there was still cheap surplus ammo these would be one of the most popular mil-surps around. Even with spendy ammo they sell well. The bolt is like a hot knife through butter. Yep there are none like em, I love my mrk III. I just wish there were surplus ammo around. I can only afford to shot it once and a while. 13$ for 20rds.... :( |
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It's a pity there is no more of the Greek .303, that was good stuff. Also every once in a while you can find a box of 303 that was made by Winchester for a govt. contract. Plain white box with generic black type on it, also good stuff. The Winchester white box does shoot very good. I still have a few boxes I'm hoarding. I'm down to under 300 rds of SA and maybe 200 reloads. About two full mags for each rifle. All I see around is Packy and Indian stuff and I won't shoot it. I had a tip on a case of Radway Green, it turned out to be 7.62 
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Here is a pic of some of the old stuff I still have...
I have two bandos of the Greek HXP. A couple boxes of the S&B 5 boxes of the military stuff, not sure what that is... *EDIT* 2 of those 5 are really FNB Lot #001 86, made by FN in Belgium. Corrosive? And one remaining box of the Winchester. Can anyone ID that brown box military stuff? |
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Finally got the chance to shoot it. I had heard how smooth the Enfield's were supposed to be, but dear god it's like glass! I wonder how I went this long without one! Definitely satisfied with the purchase. Sweet aren't they? If there was still cheap surplus ammo these would be one of the most popular mil-surps around. Even with spendy ammo they sell well. The bolt is like a hot knife through butter. Yep there are none like em, I love my mrk III. I just wish there were surplus ammo around. I can only afford to shot it once and a while. 13$ for 20rds.... :( Cry me a river... try shooting a Martini-Henry. Over $100/20. :( Finally drove me to reloading. |
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Never reloaded.
Bought a single stage RCBS press used when I was shooting service rifle competition, but never used it. Gave up competitive shooting because I got tired of being up at 0 dark thirty on Sunday mornings, and just could not keep up with the ever escalating equipment costs to be even remotely competitive. The press is in the back of a closet, I have some .303 dies somewhere. But no urge to bother with it. No time, and even less patience any more. I admire you guys that do, but I just never took to it. |
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I can store some of that for you if you don't have the extra space. 
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No pictures of my stash, but the inventory spreadsheet looks like this:
303 174FMJ HXP 2 $1.25 5 clip 50 can 10 303 174FMJ HXP 10 $1.25 5 bandoleer 50 can 50 303 174FMJ HXP 5 $12.50 50 bandoleer 30 can 250 303 174FMJ Misc WWII 150 $0.20 1 loose/clipped blue tub 150 303 174FMJ PMP 40 $0.20 1 box loose 40 303 174FMJ PMP 19 $10.00 50 boxl oose 50 303 174FMJ PMP 4 $10.00 50 box 50 can 200 303 174FMJ PMP 5 $1.00 5 clip 50 can 25 303 174FMJ PMP 1 $10.00 50 box 50 can 50 303 215SP Remington 1 $15.00 20 box 50 can 20 303 174FMJ Yugo 10 $3.00 15 box 50 can 150 303 174FMJ Brit WWII 1 $120.00 750 loose 50 can 750 303 174FMJ Brit WWII 1 $60.00 450 loose 50 can 450 303 180SP Yugo/Cent 2 $5.00 20 box 50 can 40 TOTAL 3135 I have some Lapua which isn't on here and I've been handloading .303 since I was about 15 (my first non-22 was a P14). I remember buying .303 at gunshows when I was younger...guys would have it in cloth belts and would cut off the number of rounds I wanted (usually could only afford 10 to 20). Rob |
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