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Posted: 10/10/2010 5:11:56 PM EDT
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In case you ever wondered how accurate they are let me tell you about a match we had Saturday.
We have a CMP snactioned match at our club- Garands, '03-A3s and vintage rifle. A friend was shooting his K31 and had an unbelievable match. He shot a 99 slow-prone, a 98 rapid prone and a 95 slow-offhand. His score of 292 would have won at Camp Perry this year. I was shooting my Garand and my K31- but standing kicks my ass. I was shooting GP11 in mine and he was shooting handloads. I WILL be getting his recipe. He uses a 168gr SMK. Jim |
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The biggest problem I have is my 52 year old eyes. The front sight is clear and the rear sight slightly fuzzy but the target is a blob.
I have a diopter that attaches to my glasses that should help, but I need to use it in practice before I try it in a match. Jim |
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POST HIS HANDLOAD RECIPIE!!!! and the one for pumpkin cookies if you can find it... Yes, please track down the friend and post the handload recipe. I just found that I don't have his email address. I sent a message to a mutual friend asking for it. What I liked about his load is that it uses a 168gr SMK instead of the more expensive Berger VLD. Jim |
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when you say 168 GR SMK, i assume you mean a .308 bullet? is that what these rifles were intended for, or did he slug his bore and find that to be a good fit? ive been wanting to get into the K31 but havent had the chance yet. Yes they take a .308 bullet. Sometimes there is some confusion because the Swiss list the bullet diameter as being 7.5mm while the U.S. lists it as 7.62mm. The difference comes from where the bore diameter is measured. The U.S. measures to the bottom of the grooves. The Swiss measure to the lands. Both are .308 caliber. Jim |
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when you say 168 GR SMK, i assume you mean a .308 bullet? is that what these rifles were intended for, or did he slug his bore and find that to be a good fit? ive been wanting to get into the K31 but havent had the chance yet. Yes they take a .308 bullet. Sometimes there is some confusion because the Swiss list the bullet diameter as being 7.5mm while the U.S. lists it as 7.62mm. The difference comes from where the bore diameter is measured. The U.S. measures to the bottom of the grooves. The Swiss measure to the lands. Both are .308 caliber. Jim 
Tagarooski for a K31 recipe. I've been holding off on doing my own experimenting in the hopes that I would find a good starting point. I'm a CMP/NRAHP noob, having fired a whopping two matches in (AR) service rifle, but it's a fun game. I'd love to shoot some vintage/battle rifle competitions as well. |
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OK, here is his load data.
As with all loads check to be sure it is safe in your rifle. Using a 168gr SMK over 49.0gr IMR 4350 in Prvi Partizan Brass . CCI #200 Standard Large Rifle Primer. Bullets seated .030" off the rifling. This load chronos at 2700fps. He forgot to give me the OAL. I will edit this when he replies. Remember that Redding makes dies that are correct for the K31. The others, like RCBS, are not. Their 7.5x55 dies are made for the specs in the Swiss 1911 rifle, not the K31. Jim |
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OK, here is his load data. As with all loads check to be sure it is safe in your rifle. Using a 168gr SMK over 49.0gr IMR 4350 in Prvi Partizan Brass . CCI #200 Standard Large Rifle Primer. Bullets seated .030" off the rifling. This load chronos at 2700fps. He forgot to give me the OAL. I will edit this when he replies. Remember that Redding makes dies that are correct for the K31. The others, like RCBS, are not. Their 7.5x55 dies are made for the specs in the Swiss 1911 rifle, not the K31. Jim Yes, Redding dies are what I've used and they are very nice. Of all the powders I've tried for my K31's, I've not used IMR 4350. I'm gonna have to now 
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OK, here is his load data. As with all loads check to be sure it is safe in your rifle. Using a 168gr SMK over 49.0gr IMR 4350 in Prvi Partizan Brass . CCI #200 Standard Large Rifle Primer. Bullets seated .030" off the rifling. This load chronos at 2700fps. He forgot to give me the OAL. I will edit this when he replies. Remember that Redding makes dies that are correct for the K31. The others, like RCBS, are not. Their 7.5x55 dies are made for the specs in the Swiss 1911 rifle, not the K31. Jim 
Thanks! And the best part, thats the same powder I use for my deer rifle. 'Ol One Eye. (25-06 Rem 700) |
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LuvBushmaster when I mentioned Redding dies it wasn't because they are nice. The Swiss 1911 rifle and the K31 chambers have different dimensions. Most dies, like RCBS, are the correct dimension for the 1911 chamber. Redding is the only die that is correct for the K31 chamber.
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LuvBushmaster when I mentioned Redding dies it wasn't because they are nice. The Swiss 1911 rifle and the K31 chambers have different dimensions. Most dies, like RCBS, are the correct dimension for the 1911 chamber. Redding is the only die that is correct for the K31 chamber. Jim I've known that for years  , that is why I got them specifically for my K31's. And they are nice dies. That was all I was saying. The rest of my reloading dies are either RCBS or Dillon for my 550b.
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LuvBushmaster when I mentioned Redding dies it wasn't because they are nice. The Swiss 1911 rifle and the K31 chambers have different dimensions. Most dies, like RCBS, are the correct dimension for the 1911 chamber. Redding is the only die that is correct for the K31 chamber. Jim I've known that for years , that is why I got them specifically for my K31's. And they are nice dies. That was all I was saying. The rest of my reloading dies are either RCBS or Dillon for my 550b.
It sounds like we have the same taste in equipment. I thought you might know the difference in the dies but someone new to loading for the K31 might not. The first set of dies I bought for it years ago were RCBS. I didn't know until later about the chambers. I still don't load much for it since I still have a supply of GP11. Jim |
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Quoted: Quoted: OK, here is his load data. As with all loads check to be sure it is safe in your rifle. Using a 168gr SMK over 49.0gr IMR 4350 in Prvi Partizan Brass . CCI #200 Standard Large Rifle Primer. Bullets seated .030" off the rifling. This load chronos at 2700fps. He forgot to give me the OAL. I will edit this when he replies. Remember that Redding makes dies that are correct for the K31. The others, like RCBS, are not. Their 7.5x55 dies are made for the specs in the Swiss 1911 rifle, not the K31. Jim Thanks! And the best part, thats the same powder I use for my deer rifle. 'Ol One Eye. (25-06 Rem 700) When I get one you can load some for me as well.  |
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The K31 hasn't won Camp Perry ......yet. This year's vintage rifle match at Camp Perry was won with a K31. I would have to check past years but this wasn't the first time. Jim Sorry, Fifth. 1 Armstrong, Douglas (19816) U.S. M1917 2 Reed, Stephen (3480) Swedish Mauser 3 Leighton, Sean (6874) Swedish Mauser 4 Zagorski, Matthew (77189) U.S. M1917 5 Utley, Justin (5046) Swiss Straight Pull I placed in the top twenty with a Swedish Mauser. |
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The K31 hasn't won Camp Perry ......yet. This year's vintage rifle match at Camp Perry was won with a K31. I would have to check past years but this wasn't the first time. Jim Sorry, Fifth. 1 Armstrong, Douglas (19816) U.S. M1917 2 Reed, Stephen (3480) Swedish Mauser 3 Leighton, Sean (6874) Swedish Mauser 4 Zagorski, Matthew (77189) U.S. M1917 5 Utley, Justin (5046) Swiss Straight Pull I placed in the top twenty with a Swedish Mauser. I was misinformed. I should have checked for myself. Were you shooting an M96? What load are you using? I have one Swede left- an M96 made in 1909. I have been tempted to get a 1917 Eddystone just to be able to use an aperture sight. My eyes are starting to get a little old. I do have a diopter I can stick on my shooting glasses. That might help. Those swede sights were definitely made for younger eyes. Jim |
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Were you shooting an M96? What load are you using? I have one Swede left- an M96 made in 1909. Those swede sights were definitely made for younger eyes. Jim I shoot an M96. I used Lapua brass, Varget and 140 A-Max this year. I'm no spring chicken either. I have dedicated shooting glasses (Randolph XL) with a lens specifically for the long barrel of the swede. The Swedes and Swiss have consistently been the dominate rifle in the top twenty for the past years. For this reason I purchased my first one this year. I can see a definite advantage in rapid prone to the straight pull vs the straight bolt. I have to lift my elbow off the mat the actuate the bolt. It cost time and points. Justin Utley won in 2009 with a Swiss Straight pull. Sorry Justin. |
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The reason I thought a K31 won this year is that our club's latest match was won with a K31. He shot a phenomenal score: 99 slow prone, 98 rapid prone and a 95 slow offhand. The match director said his score of 292 would have won at Camp Perry this year, and I thought he said a K31 had won.
You're shooting the A-Max? Those are a little cheaper than the SMKs I have been using. I need to order bullets soon anyway. I may try them. I have also been needing to go to Cabela's and buy some shooting glasses. They sell Randolphs there. I need some shooting glasses that have a less curved lens than I use now to stick my diopter on. Do your glasses use corrective lenses? Jim |
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I have corrective lenses. I use a +.50 to my prescription in my shooting lens for the Swede. I use a +.75 for Garand, Springfield, Carbine Ar and Pistols.
The Randolph glasses have easily removable lenses. They come in several different tints also. I got mine from the guy at Perry, he has his own special tints. They work very well for aging eyes. I've gone back and forth between the A-Max and SMK. They both shoot well. it really boils down to how the shooter performs that day. |
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I have corrective lenses. I use a +.50 to my prescription in my shooting lens for the Swede. I use a +.75 for Garand, Springfield, Carbine Ar and Pistols. The Randolph glasses have easily removable lenses. They come in several different tints also. I got mine from the guy at Perry, he has his own special tints. They work very well for aging eyes. I've gone back and forth between the A-Max and SMK. They both shoot well. it really boils down to how the shooter performs that day. I just ordered my first K31 and it shold be here tomorrow. I also ordered 240 rounds of Swiss surplus. I'm not too worried about the original stock; I expect it will be in rough condition. I might put a new stock on it. But I will keep the original. I see that you have a scope mount and I don't know if that is aftermarket or not. And can it be attached without altering the mechanism of the rifle? I don't want tap anything. I don't know if they originally had the ability to attach a scope or not. |
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OK, here is his load data. As with all loads check to be sure it is safe in your rifle. Using a 168gr SMK over 49.0gr IMR 4350 in Prvi Partizan Brass . CCI #200 Standard Large Rifle Primer. Bullets seated .030" off the rifling. This load chronos at 2700fps. He forgot to give me the OAL. I will edit this when he replies. Remember that Redding makes dies that are correct for the K31. The others, like RCBS, are not. Their 7.5x55 dies are made for the specs in the Swiss 1911 rifle, not the K31. Jim I'll try this, I use Berger VLDs now. The reason he did not give you an OAL is because it would be different across a group of rifles. K-31s have a shallow throat and even OAL in load manuals is usually off. I seat a bullet partially in an unprimed empty case and slam the bolt closed and measure the OAL after ejecting it. Then subtract .030" off that. I have 6 rifles and they do vary in OAL enough to affect accuracy. |
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My K31 is the most accurate rifle I own. Period. This is the only rifle more accurate than my K31's. It is a fricking laser. 
http://media.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=22762 You gotta stop that. I'm drooling like Pavlov's dog here.
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My K31 is the most accurate rifle I own. Period. This is the only rifle more accurate than my K31's. It is a fricking laser.
http://media.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=22762 
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Using the wonderful iron sights I can get about 1 1/2" groups out of my K 31 with believe it or not 165 grain Remington Core Lokt component bullets.
I have gotten similar results with Sierra 150 grain Softpoints. Got about 750 168 SMK's but haven't tried them yet. I believe with a solid scope mount and good glass my K-31 would shoot one hole at 100 yards. Best $89.00 I ever spent.
Thank you S.O.G. circa 2003
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