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Posted: 4/22/2009 1:28:33 PM EDT
| What brand/country should I be looking forin the surplus market. If possible non corrosive but not a must. |
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What brand/country should I be looking forin the surplus market. If possible non corrosive but not a must. There is not much, if any, brass cased 7.62x54R surplus ammo out there and even less that is boxer primed. Give up and by the corrosive stuff or buy new PPU ammo, then reload. |
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I was afraid that would be the answer. Whats PPU? Ammo made in Serbia. Sold in the US under as Wolf Gold or under their name, Prvi Partizan Ammunition. Their headstamp is ППУ, PP or PPU. The 54R is a straight forward case to reload. It has ~2% to 5% more case capacity than the .308, but operates at lower pressure. |
| It's not really comparable, but I found S&B brass to be total shit in .303 Brit. Wolf Gold and PPU is a lot better. S&B couldn't survive one FL resizing and firing. Wolf Gold and PPU have been fired in a different gun, FL resized, fire formed, and LEE neck sized atleast 6 times. I only FL size it once I get it, but it's held up fine with neck sizing after the initial fire forming. |
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Now, if any of my reloading trays could fit a 7.62X54R case... 
ETA: I load them with the same 123gr bullets I load 7.62X39. Very accurate and less expensive. You'll do better with neck sizer dies and .311 Sierra 174gr Matchkings! Go get some new Graff brass from Huntington's or better yet, Norma or Lapua brass and start making match grade ammo as long as your bore and crown are great. |
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Now, if any of my reloading trays could fit a 7.62X54R case...
ETA: I load them with the same 123gr bullets I load 7.62X39. Very accurate and less expensive. You'll do better with neck sizer dies and .311 Sierra 174gr Matchkings! Go get some new Graff brass from Huntington's or better yet, Norma or Lapua brass and start making match grade ammo as long as your bore and crown are great. This sounds like a great load, but it's a little overkill for my use. My C&R's are primarily plinkers and economy is one of my major goals. I bought a couple hundred rounds of Privi from AIM a while back mostly for the brass. I use the 123's because I can use the same bullet for my AK, SKS, M91/30, M38 and M44 and they are available at bulk prices. I neck size the once fired brass with Lee dies. The following is from my load development range session out of my $59. 91/30, once fired Privi brass, IMR4895 and a batch of bulk Hornady's I picked up from Midway last year. I shoot at 50yds at pieces of duct tape as that's about where the majority of my shooting is done and about the practical limits of my old eyes and iron sights. The results are about the same from the M38 and 44. 
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Nice! About how big is that 48gr. load? Any idea on velocity? 2.780 is the OAL. I don't have chrono info on this load, but it shows no sign of over pressure in my rifles and recoil is very manageable. YMMV, all standard disclaimers apply, etc. 
ETA: I do not crimp this load. |
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Nice! About how big is that 48gr. load? Any idea on velocity? 2.780 is the OAL. I don't have chrono info on this load, but it shows no sign of over pressure in my rifles and recoil is very manageable. YMMV, all standard disclaimers apply, etc.
ETA: I do not crimp this load. I'm sorry, I meant to ask "How big is that 48gr. group?" 
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Nice! About how big is that 48gr. load? Any idea on velocity? 2.780 is the OAL. I don't have chrono info on this load, but it shows no sign of over pressure in my rifles and recoil is very manageable. YMMV, all standard disclaimers apply, etc.
ETA: I do not crimp this load. I'm sorry, I meant to ask "How big is that 48gr. group?" About 1" at 50yds. |
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54R is so cheap do you really save any money reloading it or do you just reload it for accuracy reasons? accuracy and suitable hunting loads. the majority of my shooting is done with surplus. but a 150gr .312 hornady sp over varget makes a good shooting round thats suitable for whitetail. |
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54R is so cheap do you really save any money reloading it or do you just reload it for accuracy reasons? As a rule, you don't save much over surplus. You can load more accurate ammo for about the same price. In my case I enjoy the hours spent at the loading bench. Our Pacific Northwest winters give us a lot of indoors time. I reload during the winter and shoot it during the summer. 
I supplement my reloads with surplus when I get it at a good price. |
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It's not really comparable, but I found S&B brass to be total shit in .303 Brit. Wolf Gold and PPU is a lot better. S&B couldn't survive one FL resizing and firing. Wolf Gold and PPU have been fired in a different gun, FL resized, fire formed, and LEE neck sized atleast 6 times. I only FL size it once I get it, but it's held up fine with neck sizing after the initial fire forming. Ive had pretty good luck with my S&B 54r brass. Some of it has been loaded over 40 times and is still going strong. Mind you these are fairly light loads and they are only neck sized, but they have yet to split or go out on me. |
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