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Posted: 2/21/2008 8:05:54 AM EDT
| Rant on! Would you people stop referring to you Mosin Nagant rifles as a Nagant. A Nagant is a Russian revolver, a Mosin is a rifle. Rant off. |
I don't know about disrupting a day, but yes to both counts. There are chargers (stripper clips also acceptable) and en bloc clips for the M1. Everthing else is a magazine. Also, if you come to my store asking about ammo for a "Nagant," I will probably be able to figure out what it is, but it isn't correct. That's kind of like when people ask--"Do you have any M4s?" The answer, or course, is NO. But I tell them we have ARs in the closest civilian legal configuration to an M4. It is not just about being 100% correct. You need to know what you are dealing with, especially if you have to rely on a store clerk who has no idea what you're talking about. |
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What about this... Go into a gunstore and ask if they have any "Moy-zeens" (spelled phonetically to illustrate the actual pronunciation). They won't know what you are talking about until it clicks and they say back..."Mow-zin?" Nice... -Jbot (oh, yea...the guy pronounced his name "gar-und", not "guh-rand"). |
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So if I tag this, and ever see you using the incorrect terminology, I can publicly berate you? Lots of guys use incorrect terminology, but that is part of the learning curve. This thread does nothing constructive. It shows me a lack of maturity and tact. Lighten up skippy! Let me guess, you have a $69.00 M44 that Mommy and Daddy bought you. So now you are an expert! I bet you wear BDU's to high school and own a couple of airsoft guns also, for practice though. I respect anyone that asks questions a hell of a lot more than the kid that thinks he has the answers. jp Heres your sign! 
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No I have quite a few Mosins. And mommy didn't buy them for me. Don't own any BDU's and no airsoft. I have been collecting firearms for over thirty years so f--k off! |
Start puckering, Daddy found a moron! They are Mosin Nagants @sswipe. M/N, 91/30, M44, M38, M39, that is all good, but you are doing what you chastise others for. Don't be an ignorant prick your whole (maybe Hole in your case) life. Just by your answer, there is no doubt you are the KING MALL NINJA!. If you are 40+ years old and have been collecting all these years, why are you so anal? You can put your GI Joes , or Barbies away and learn something from others. Again, lighten up Skippy! You have no clue! jp BTW, Any Real Man would capitalize Mommy! 
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I need a 20 round clip for my AR15. Now, without thinking about it, did a picture flash in your mind of the correct item that I needed? I would think that context could provide the answer without all the need for being condescending. Correct terminology is fine, but not to the extent of alienating new enthusiasts. They will get it in time without having to be talked down to. |
Thank you, that is the point. As far as name calling jrinfoley, it was your F--k off that lit me up. Thanks shotar for the rsponse. The point is don't chastise others. I have been at this (collecting) for 20+ years, and have been shooting in compitition for over 33. I would never do what you have done on a fireing line, ever. I would offer help and guidance. I am sorry if I went over the top here,but I have never stood for being told to F off, and will never stand for it. It's a NY guy thing. jp |
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Nagant revolvers of any flavor, being anything more than scarce is a recent occurance. If someone asks for "ammo for a 7.62 Nagant" in your run of the mill gun-shop, chances are they are not looking to feed their M1895 Revolver. If you want to get really anal, you could insist on the full terminology, i/e "Model of 1891 Three Line Rifle" or some similarly clunky nomenclature. You must be a barrel of fun when someone calls a Berthier a " French Lebel". |
Vintovka Mosina. The Russians didn't use the "Nagant" part. Three-line rifle - each line = .10", 3 line = .30 caliber. Rightfully in American venacular Mosin-Nagant, hyphenated as it joins two proper nouns. The British did the same, probably more than anyone with hyphenated names like Webley-Green, Webley-Preyse, Lee-Enfield, Lee-Metford, etc. I think the Scandinavians and Germans justraneverythingtogetherintoreallylongwordslikethis. However, defining "Nagant" as a Russian revolver is woefully incorrect. The Russian 1895 Nagant revolver was neither the first nor last Nagant revolver built by Emile & Leon Nagant of Leige, Belgium. Without bothering to look it up there was the 1878 Argentine and Brazilian Nagant revolver. Its an 11mm or so big bore caliber . Then probably one of better revolvers by the Nagant brothers was the 1887 for Sweden and Norway, the Norwegian model being the 1893. Known as the m/87 in Swedish military terminology. Caliber is 7.5 Nagant. Its a rather wimpy cartridge very much like .32 S&W Long. The 1895 Nagant for Russia wasn't exactly unique in the world. Henri Pieper patented a gas seal revolver before Nagant and from looking at it I'd almost swear that Nagant was a patent infringement of the Pieper revolver. There were models in 1886, 1890 and 1893 that were gas-seal revolvers. The 1910 Nagant was the last and was a conventional swing-out revolver but wasn't a military revolver. By this time both Nagant brothers were dead and the predessors were making rather cool automobiles which they manufactured until the company faded away. One of my biggest pet peeves is seeing Carl Gustaf spelled Gustav when its spelled correctly right on the receiver ring of the dang rifle. I lay awake some nights plotting revenge on them who can't even get that little thing right <sigh>  .And should we even get into the insidious internet habit of Ishie and Argie all the kindergarten two syllable abbreviatedness? That really drives me bananners. Dutch |
The correct shorter name for a MN is Mosin. And, yes, we DO tell people to stop calling magazines clips. Not one myself to usually judge anyone for a low post count, since I don't post that often, but your post is full of 
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Oh god, another one.  IMHO I could care less what you think the correct pronunciation is for the "Mosin Nagant". Read the prior posts and get over it. Contribute to the discussion, not use unworthy comments which make you look bad. I can't imagine what your prior 800 posts consists of? Hopefully not more hollow statements like your last one. Oh bye the way..... can you pass me the clip? |
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this comes up once or twice a year. I think I was the last one to bring it up. The reaction was about the same then. There are typically 3 kinds of responses. 1) Those that agree with you. 2) Those that think you're wound a little tight and need to chill out. 3) Guys like Dutch, whose knowledge of old rifles is vastly superior to most of us, points out the obscure stuff we had no idea existed, and leaves us more educated. |
Awesome rant. I'm betting you were on the cruffler list. |
No, there it would have been taken lightly and agreed with, with lots of smilies and funny and informed anecdotes. People are corrected on this issue on almost a daily basis on gunboards, and never with any vitriol or arguing. "It's not a big deal, everybody knows what I mean anyway" <-- biggest pet peeve ever. WORDS MEAN THINGS!! (Sorry, my 4-year editing degree is showing  )
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