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Posted: 11/24/2010 8:25:04 PM EDT
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So I finished off a pack of the wally world federal 550 on monday. Out of that box, I didn't have one jam, or one bad round. Absolutely zero problems. Yesterday I picked up another box, and shot it today. I was using a S&W model 41, and it shot perfectly with the other batch. Anyway, today I shot maybe 100 rounds, and probably had 20-30 failures to eject, and 1 failure to extract. I also had many fliers. Shooting off a bench with the model 41, the last group I could hold all 10 ring, but this lot I was lucky to keep a 3 inch group. I was pretty pissed. Is it possible that I just got a bad lot of the stuff?
Also, would wally world take it back or exchange for a new box since this one sucks so bad? |
| Will do. Thanks for the update. I was just researching bad batches of this stuff, and someone noted that if you call federal, they will send you a ups shipping label and refund you your money. I hope there is truth to this. I just want to get a new lot. I shoot 22 more than anything. |
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Will do. Thanks for the update. I was just researching bad batches of this stuff, and someone noted that if you call federal, they will send you a ups shipping label and refund you your money. I hope there is truth to this. I just want to get a new lot. I shoot 22 more than anything. thats what I would expect |
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Any 36 gr ammo is hit or miss in Model 41s.
Blazer bulk packs is what I use except for state, regional or sectional matches. For those matches I use CCI Standard velocity. I got lucky and got a few cases of Fed. 550 that work almost 100% and I've had some that only worked in my Buckmarks. |
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My freind recently bought a bunch of it and has had some serious consistency issues with it.
I can say from experience that if you contact Federal they will replace the ammo for you. I had bought a case of Federal Automatch when they had some issues like this. They sent me replacement ammo along with a return label for the old ammo. It seems like all the manufacturers are on a 3-5 year cycle where each maker has about that amount of time making good ammo them it goes to crap. Federal is in the slump now and Winchester is taking the lead in my book. Dolomite |
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I have heard the latest batches of Fed bulk pack has had a lot of duds lately. Agreed. Last two I bought were crap. Same symptoms as described above. Usually this ammo is GTG. No failures in the entire box usually. I stopped buyng the 550 round boxes in 2009 because the last box had many duds in the last 100 or so at the bottom of the box. I broke them down. Some had no priming compound, some had primer, but it was loose from the rims and scattered through the gunpowder. Since then I'm shooting Automatch for plinking ammo and have had zero problems. |
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I've got 2 boxes of Federal Automatch that are among the WORST batches of .22 I've ever seen. Although I have not had a single dud, the accuracy is worse than anything I've ever seen. They seem to have randomly dropped various powder charges into the cases. We're talking 8-15 MOA here from a gun that will shoot 1 with match ammo on a perfect day....
I had several so weak I could swear they were lodged in the barrel. (Although all made it out at least) Well, all companies make some sh!t from time to time. Federal is generally middle-of-the-road decent stuff. |
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I've shot over 10K rounds of Federal 550 in the past 12 months. Total of maybe 20 duds. Half of those came from a single box this past week.
By comparison, I have yet to blast through a single Remington Golden bullet 550 pack with fewer than a couple dozen duds. By comparison, I've shot around 3K rounds of Winchester 555 - 3 duds. I've shot around 2K rounds of CCI mini-mags - 1 dud. |
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I just had bought two bulk packs of Federal a week ago and went to shoot some up last Saturday, we also had some Remington bulk pack ammo along.
None really worked in either gun with anything close to being reliable. Federal bulk had previously always given reliability, I fed mostly Federal bulk through my S&W 22A which has endured over 95,000 rounds. The last lot was just frustrating!!!!! |
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I've shot over 10K rounds of Federal 550 in the past 12 months. Total of maybe 20 duds. Half of those came from a single box this past week. By comparison, I have yet to blast through a single Remington Golden bullet 550 pack with fewer than a couple dozen duds. By comparison, I've shot around 3K rounds of Winchester 555 - 3 duds. I've shot around 2K rounds of CCI mini-mags - 1 dud. That is my experience too. I recently bought a large amount of Fed bulk packs (last week) and was going to go shooting today, but will tomorrow. I will check that lot to make sure it is good too. Feel free to post lots numbers! 
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I just shot through part of my .22 stash and was about to resupply with more federal 550 bulk packs. I was really liking the quality and consistency of the Federal bulk packs and hate to hear about the latest batch. |
Went shooting two weeks ago with my reg shooting guys and one of them had a ruger MKl and a old springfield single shot I believe. Anyways he was shooting rem thunderbolts and told him to not shoot them and of course not five min later he gets a squib in his MKl... And also the one time no one has a cleaning rod to punch it out. So anyways we keep shooting and my other friend is shooting his bushy with a conversion kit and has a round sound funny and checks to be sre. (He's shooting fed red box buk) and HE now has a squib and its right at the end of the barrel... Sit back and take the situation in. Kinda weird having two in one day.
We go back to shooting and the first guy has a round sound funny again. We look at eah like theirs no way! He pulls the bolt and we see no sunlight down the barrel... Now we're just floored we have now three guns with squibs and two different brands of ammo and it all happened within about 30 minutes. A really odd occasion that outing. Back to the original post, I've always had good success with the blue box fed and there auto match ammo. |
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Went shooting two weeks ago with my reg shooting guys and one of them had a ruger MKl and a old springfield single shot I believe. Anyways he was shooting rem thunderbolts and told him to not shoot them and of course not five min later he gets a squib in his MKl... And also the one time no one has a cleaning rod to punch it out. So anyways we keep shooting and my other friend is shooting his bushy with a conversion kit and has a round sound funny and checks to be sre. (He's shooting fed red box buk) and HE now has a squib and its right at the end of the barrel... Sit back and take the situation in. Kinda weird having two in one day. We go back to shooting and the first guy has a round sound funny again. We look at eah like theirs no way! He pulls the bolt and we see no sunlight down the barrel... Now we're just floored we have now three guns with squibs and two different brands of ammo and it all happened within about 30 minutes. A really odd occasion that outing. Back to the original post, I've always had good success with the blue box fed and there auto match ammo. LoT NumBErS please! 
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| I purchased about 6000rds of Fed Bulk during the ammo drought, and put them in ammo cans. I mainly use it in my plinking guns which happen to be a GSG 5 and the Walther P22. I got the Federal to make sure I had something to shoot during the ruff patch so I can live with the dudes which is not that many. |
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I've got 2 boxes of Federal Automatch that are among the WORST batches of .22 I've ever seen. Although I have not had a single dud, the accuracy is worse than anything I've ever seen. They seem to have randomly dropped various powder charges into the cases. We're talking 8-15 MOA here from a gun that will shoot 1 with match ammo on a perfect day.... I had several so weak I could swear they were lodged in the barrel. (Although all made it out at least) Well, all companies make some sh!t from time to time. Federal is generally middle-of-the-road decent stuff. I have tons of problems with AM as well. I hate it. |
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Quoted: Going to update here. Wife helped run an appleseed shoot this past weekend and is reporting problems with several folks using recently purchased boxes of Federal. Quoted: I have heard the latest batches of Fed bulk pack has had a lot of duds lately. Agreed. Last two I bought were crap. Same symptoms as described above. Usually this ammo is GTG. No failures in the entire box usually. Like has been said before, I was shooting this stuff almost exclusively for nearly two years solid and it just hit a brick wall recently.
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the 41 is very finicky. it is supposedly tuned for standard velocity rounds.
The main problem I have with Federal Bulk is failure to fire. Some times 1 in 100 with a good primer strike, and some batches are 1 in 25. Multiple strikes won't fire them. Sometimes I can rotate the case and get it to fire. I bet it is a very shitty distribution of primer material inside the rim. |
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Wally will NOT take any ammo back. (neither will most retail stores for liability issues) Fire off an email to federal telling them exactly what you posted. That's a BS reason they like to give, but that's all it is, BS. All they have to do is refund the customer's money, hang on to the bad ammo, ring up Federal (or Winchester or whoever) and say, "Y'know, some of the ammo you're sending out is no good." And work with the manufacturer from there. There's no "liability" risk, they're simply too lazy and/or cheap to treat it like any other product. Nor is there any "state law" which prevents them from accepting returns on certain products, at least not in this state. Yes, I once had a Walmart would-be lawyer try to tell me that. |
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Twenty-two ammo is just enough to make you nuts. It seems the quality control on the bulk pack stuff is about nonexistent, which is probably why it is in the bulk packs. Moon Yeah, pretty much my experience. When I buy a bulk pack of Remington, Winchester, or whatever, I expect it to misfeed occasionally. Remington's "golden bullet" seems to the the worst, but I haven't shot any Federal packs lately. I've been pleasantly surprised by the reliability of CCI Blazer in my Ruger Mk II, but maybe that just means I haven't shot enough of it. The more expensive stuff, like Mini-Mag, has generally worked in my .22's. Or at least, didn't generate enough malfunctions that it was noticeably worse than the bulk pack. |
| All of my Federal 550 bulk pack and Federal Champion 40 gr. are all in .50 cans and the lot #'s are annotated on the outside of the can that way it's easier to find a particular lot # that works well for that particular firearm. I've got a couple .50 cans that are just for blasting as they are just loose inside the can and came from extra boxes when I'd load up some .50 ammo cans. |
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