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Posted: 5/19/2010 11:17:16 AM EDT
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ok got the guide rod situation taken care of. the bolt is still a little stiff but i lubed it down and worked it for awhile think that along with some rounds will loosen it up a bit. Well now i have a green mountain stainless barrel and was shooting wolf match. fire the first round ever through the gun and it did not eject the brass. i had to use a wooden dowel rod to push it out from the opposite end. it was snug in the chamber but not too tight. just ordered an after market ejecter that everyone stated helped them with ejector problems. think this will fix the problem or is there something else im not aware of. thanks
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Quoted: Normally, a .22 semiauto doesn't even need an extractor. The case IS the piston, directly pushing the bolt back until it hits (on the 10/22) the ejector built into the left mag lip. Did you clean the barrel before you started shooting? The 10/22 is not a piston driven rifle and it does need the extractor. The ejector is also not built into the magazine. It is an individual part that protrudes the front (muzzle end) of the trigger assembly. |
| Also make sure, that the new barrel has the cut for the extractor executed properly. If it should be too shallow, or the extractor too wide for it,, the claw cannot fit. Only an examination of the specific situation will reveal the specific problem - but it sounds to be easily remedied. |
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Also make sure, that the new barrel has the cut for the extractor executed properly. If it should be too shallow, or the extractor too wide for it,, the claw cannot fit. Only an examination of the specific situation will reveal the specific problem - but it sounds to be easily remedied. +1.There could be a burr from when the extractor cut was done. |
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Normally, a .22 semiauto doesn't even need an extractor. The case IS the piston, directly pushing the bolt back until it hits (on the 10/22) the ejector built into the left mag lip. Did you clean the barrel before you started shooting? The 10/22 is not a piston driven rifle and it does need the extractor. The ejector is also not built into the magazine. It is an individual part that protrudes the front (muzzle end) of the trigger assembly. I don't really want to get into a pissing match, but if you'll look at a magazine (OEM) you'll see a shoulder on the left lip. Normally , this kicks the case before it contacts the trigger block mounted ejector. Or maybe the mag ejector is the secondary back-up. I have heard of 10/22s that ran without the trigger block mounted part. My comment about the piston is more conceptual. I guess if you insist on taking it literally, i have to recant the comment. The extractor on many .22 autos is almost optional ( not even present by design in some Olympic grade pistols). It does serve to keep the case in contact with the boltface and acts as a fulcrum against which the ejector tips the case out of the receiver in a controlled direction. It is not unknown for 10/22 owners to notice that the extractor is missing, without any malfunction. Usually this results from some previous OOB discharge. A main function of the 10/22's extractor is to allow the extraction of an unfired or dud cartridge. Sometimes, especially with match barrels which engrave the bullet on chambering, the extractor flunks this; sometimes even aftermarket extractors fail. The time honored remedy for this condition, especially in the middle of a speed event is to lock the bolt back and dig the offending case or dud out with a pocketknife or small screwdriver. I've seen VERY well known sponsored shooters do this. The tool goes on the bench during the set-up time. The OP's problem may result from underpowered ammo failing to push the bolt back far enough for the case to hit the ejector. Another cause is a rough or dirty chamber. New barrels need cleaning before firing. I've seen some pretty wierd grunge come out of some pretty expensive new barrels. Low bolt speed due to binding on optic mounting screws protruding into the receiver can cause this problem; also too heavy mainsprings or recoil springs. The OP might want to peruse the various stickies over on the 10/22 pages of Rimfire Central. |
| ok....got the volq extractor in. i put the old case that i originally shot into the chamber and it still would not extract it just manually running the bolt with my hand. maybe things will be different when i actually fire a round but i could not make it to the range today. think that i will also grab some other ammo other than wolf and give that a shot. the mount screws are not catching on the bolt and yes i did clean the barrel. it was actually fairly clean. the extraction notch on the barrel seems to line up really well with the extractor. i have never put one together before to know or compare it to anything rather or not the extractor is seating properly. if it turns out it is not what is suggested. |
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Precision 308,
when you retract the bolt, does the extractor catch the rim at least? Or does it not even grab it? Does it slide over it with some resistance, or what exactly is happening? Is there a scratch mark left on the rim, can you see the extractor moving as it slides over the rim? The extractor has a spring in it, that allows it to move over the rim. Normally, if fed from a magazine the cartridge does slide up and under the extractor, at least theoretically. Did you use a used, empty shell for your test? I think that either your extractor does sit properly in the bolt, so that it does not reach down deep enough or the slot is not cut right. That gave me plenty of malfunctions with my 10/22 and I just re-cut the inside of the extractor to allow it to sit deeper. Since you have an aftermarket barrel, it could also be possible, that the barrel / chamber is too far away from the extractor. You will find the solution when you find out what does not allow your extractor to function properly, a visual inspection is a whole lot easeir than a long distance diagnosis! |
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Quoted: Quoted: Normally, a .22 semiauto doesn't even need an extractor. The case IS the piston, directly pushing the bolt back until it hits (on the 10/22) the ejector built into the left mag lip. Did you clean the barrel before you started shooting? The 10/22 is not a piston driven rifle and it does need the extractor. The ejector is also not built into the magazine. It is an individual part that protrudes the front (muzzle end) of the trigger assembly Of course the 10/22 is not piston driven, but you are totally incorrect on both accounts. The 10/22 is blow back operated. The case drives the bolt back, like a piston. If the case grips the chamber walls too tightly, the case will stick and the bolt won't move. Sometimes the case does not push back far enough and the bolt will push it back into the chamber and make it tough to get back out. If you use a better extractor it will grip the lip better than the original, but the extractor should never have to pull the case out unless its unfired. Their are two ejectors in the 10/22. One is the steel ejector. The other is built into the magazine lips. If you don't believe me, then try watching as you eject a round. Pull the mag and then try it again. Your 10/22 should run just fine without en extractor, period. All of mine do. I have tried it, have you?  I would try cleaning the chamber and the bore really well. Oil the bore well and then swab out as much of the oil as you can. A brush only in the chamber would be a good idea as well. Do not try to polish the chamber if you don't know what you are doing. Its too easy to round the transition into the rifling and ruin accuracy. A good way to break in a chamber is to just buy some boxes of federal bulk pack and shoot the damn thing. It will loosen up quickly after a few dozen mags. |
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ok guys went to the range today and shot it. Bought some winchester T22 rounds and they actually did pretty good with the action. I had a couple of them jam in the chamber as the bolt closed and the empty wasnt all the way out yet. then i tried to aguila standard velocity and they didnt work quite as well but it would function 50% of the time. I just kept shooting and dealing with the jams. eventually i noticed that all the problems started to go away as i put rounds down range. Then i finally went back to the wolf match that i had the other day and it actually started to now cycle the action. by the end of the shooting session was still getting about 1 out of every 10 with the wolf that would jam up but the other two ammo types seemed to work ok. I think the bolt was just a little stiff and the chamber a little tight and it just needed some break in. The T22 didnt shoot that great maybe a little better than your bulk ammo. the aguilas didnt do too bad but once i shot the wolf match it really tightened up. 10rnds at 25yds looked like one .308 hole. i was impressed. I think that im going to just clean the chamber real well and then go to shooting only wolf match i think with another day of shooting it will break in nicely.
MOA stainless reciever with cleaning hole drilled in it Stainless Green Mountain .920 barrel Ruger new factory bolt with Volq extractor Volq guiderod, recoil spring and latch Bell and Carlson target/varmint stock Jard trigger group with 1lb trigger power custom base with weaver rings Vortex 4-12X40mm fine cross hair scope. Wednesday im going to the range all day ill post some pics of how she shoots by the weekend. I'D LIKE TO THANK EVERYONE FOR THEIR HELP. |
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don't be afraid to polish up the sides of the bolt a little. Some 400, 600, and 1000 grit paper with some oil and just rub. I like the straight line look on the side that shows through the ejection port. When you are polishing, you may notice bumps or burrs that stick up. Hit them with a diamond file or more abrasives. When you are done, the bolt will move more smoothly and give you more bolt speed. Having your bolt re-radiused is the ultimate way to get the bolt speed up with match ammo. I have run thousands of rounds of Wolf MT through my 10/22's without any stoppages that were not magazine related. The 10/22 I am using for our little silhouette competitions feeds better than my buddies anchutz bolt gun. Never a hitch no matter how many loaded into the mag. |
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