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Posted: 11/27/2009 2:31:39 PM EDT
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I am curious as to the allure of a threaded barrel w/ a fake silencer, or a true one? What is the purpose? W/ subsonic CCI or Aguila ammo my old Savage bolt gun w/ 22" barrel or my Marlin 60 are so quiet the hammer dropping is louder than the report.
When I hear about group size, how many bullets per group? Why not post a pic of the target? When I see pics, why are most set-ups w/ high rings when they make for a lousy check wield and limit your Zero zone? On a .22lr max effective range from a ballistics standpoint is 75..100 yards, why use a 20x scope? Are you shooting mice? A 5MPH wind takes you way off. Does anyone use iron sights at 50...100 yards? Interested in hearing the rational on spending $600.00 on a plinker. BTW, I used a Mossberg U.S. M44 in smallbore comp for years. At 50ft/ 50 yards you better have 4 of 5 bulls perfect to win. I was an Expert. Back then no optics were used. Single shot only, no mags, no autos. Here are the rules now. http://www.nrahq.org/education/training/marksmanship/american_rifleman.asp |
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Quoted: Answers in boldI am curious as to the allure of a threaded barrel w/ a fake silencer, or a true one? What is the purpose? W/ subsonic CCI or Aguila ammo my old Savage bolt gun w/ 22" barrel or my Marlin 60 are so quiet the hammer dropping is louder than the report. Because you can and you get the looks of a supressor without the ATF forms and the cost of the real thing When I hear about group size, how many bullets per group? Why not post a pic of the target? 5 or 10 shots per group. Some people don't take pictures of their targets or are just lying. I post my targets When I see pics, why are most set-ups w/ high rings when they make for a lousy check wield and limit your Zero zone? Sometimes you need the higher rings because of a big lense (44mm +) On a .22lr max effective range from a ballistics standpoint is 75..100 yards, why use a 20x scope? Are you shooting mice? A 5MPH wind takes you way off. Because you can. Some guys like to really zoom in on the target and double their rifle scope as a spotting scope (like myself) Does anyone use iron sights at 50...100 yards? Yes, some do. I like my scope though. Interested in hearing the rational on spending $600.00 on a plinker. Because you can and 10/22s are like barbies for men. I think my 10/22 looks sexy and I have around $700 and uncounted hours in time put into it (includes the price of the stock gun). BTW, I used a Mossberg U.S. M44 in smallbore comp for years. At 50ft/ 50 yards you better have 4 of 5 bulls perfect to win. I was an Expert. Back then no optics were used. Single shot only, no mags, no autos. Cool Here are the rules now. http://www.nrahq.org/education/training/marksmanship/american_rifleman.asp |
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Well, I was banging away this morning with my .22LR MK12 MOD 0 SPR clone, SK Standard ammo, suppressed, @200yd, about 3" groups on a breezy day.
Suppressors are fun because you can hear the bullet impact the paper @200yd without hearing protection. I had some 100yd groups close to an inch. OH! EXCUSE ME! 5 shot groups. And a couple of sub 1/2" 5 shot groups@ 50yd. My friend was slung up with his Tech Sight mounted 10/22 shooting 1 1/2" squares @25yd. Wouldn't it be boring is everybody shot the same stuff the same way? |
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Thanks Hendricks for the candid reply.
But this is were the issue comes in. frog states he shoots 3" groups at 200 yards w/ a breeze. Well at 100 yards w/ a scope at 1.5" above the muzzle, scope elevation would be 4.52 moa, wind deflection w/ 15 MPH gusts would be 5.32", and bullet drop would be 12.9" w/ 60 yard zero w/ a standard 40gr cartridge. Even w/ a 100 yard zero the wind deflection still exists. At 200 yards the velosity would only be above 750fps, so all those numbers almost triple. Is it possible? It could be on a calm day w/ low humidity and zero wind, using a bench and front and rear support. Even a breeze of 5mph will deflect the bullet close to 2" at 100 yards and almost 6" at 200. A 6" group is very respectable at 200 yards. I guess I should move to Missouri, "show me". I'm just a sceptic. frog, I just used your info as an example, no foul intended. |
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Its possible. Calm day with low wind with berms on ether side of the range to keep wind from blowing across. ETA: A lot of the stuff that people do to their rifles (as well as myself) do it because they want it to look cool and because they can. "Why do you own an AR? There is no sporting purpose for it..." You own it because you can and that it is a very good rifle for not only target practice and varmint control but it is a very good defensive weapon. |
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My 200yd setting is about 20 minutes higher than my 100yd setting, about 30min higher than the 50yd setting, with standard velocity ammo. Breeze was fairly steady, and I had about 2 minutes wind cranked in.
These are guestimates based on other guns. The one I shot yesterday has a 3.5-10x40 tactical scope that's SUPPOSED to be 8 clicks /minute, but may actually be 1/10 mil. As far as I can tell, the 20 clicks from 50 to 100yd ought to be 7-8minutes, not 2 1/2 minutes as claimed by the mfg. With Leupold and Bushnell scopes and the same ammo, the claimed minutes correspond with the expected trajectory of match ammo. At 200yd I'm shooting prone/bipod and rear bag. I can't shoot off the bench because the rarefied air causes the velocity to be so high that the bullets vaporize. Either that or they hit the overhead baffle. In either case, they don't get to the target. Sometimes sitting with a fencepost rest on one of the roof support posts, or even plain prone . On a calm day I have hit over 50% on the 8" swinger with a CZ 452 and the iron sights, which are graduated to 200M in 25yd increments. Dial in the 50M setting with the adjustable ft blade and the rear really works! Now, if my 57 year old eyes just did! Normally we don't crank in any windage correction when shooting smallbore silhouette, since you have 2 1/2 minutes time for each 5 shot string and often can't wait for a uniform condition to occur for each shot. We make windage corrections on the fly, Kentucky style. We often use scopes up to 24 or 36X, though I personally can't normally hold well more than 16-18x. Silhouette is shot standing. The high magnification helps call the shot, if you get a clean break and your spotter calls the location of the hit, you know where to try to break the next shot if the condition is the same, or to hold further off if the wind changed since the last shot. I normally use a Krico bolt action, sometimes a 10/22 with a 21 1/2" .920 bull barrel, mounting a Leupold 6.5-20X40 with a big dot reticle and a custom thumbhole match stock. Lately I've been shooting the .22 AR. The 10/22 needs 19 minutes over the ram setting (100M) to hit @200yd. Oh yeah, I've got about $1600 in the 10/22, it has shot sub 1" 5 shot groups on at least a couple of occasions @100yd. The UPPER on the AR was $1900, If we don't include $500 Spectre and $200 stamp., which can be used on other guns. I shoot 4000-7000 rounds of .22 per year. In .223 that's $1600-$2800/ year. Not all ranges permit centerfire. Trigger time with a good .22 trainer transfers VERY well to larger calibers. Just a plinker? Dude, you have a VERY limited view. People pay $1000 or more for a deer rifle, to fire ONE SHOT per year at a target the size of a dinner plate, usually under one hundred yards away. Which is the better value? There are guys on RimfireCentral and the rimfire page of Sniper's Hide with real experience in smallbore long range. And this thread wouldn't be complete without the frozen turkey thread: http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=503007&nt=2&page=1 |
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From Sniper's Hide:
Imurhuckleberry Offline Sergeant Registered: 08/16/08 Posts: 117 Loc: San Antonio Texas Sweet rifles, I shoot my 10/22 with tacsol barrel consistently out to 230 yds at clay pigeons. It is getting kind of boring now so I am thinking of eggs or golf balls on top of tees now. Nice get up. _________________________ Only two defining forces have offered to die for you. One is Jesus Christ for your soul, the other is the American soldier for your freedom. Standard clay targets are about 4". |
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Thanks Hendricks for the candid reply. But this is were the issue comes in. frog states he shoots 3" groups at 200 yards w/ a breeze. Well at 100 yards w/ a scope at 1.5" above the muzzle, scope elevation would be 4.52 moa, wind deflection w/ 15 MPH gusts would be 5.32", and bullet drop would be 12.9" w/ 60 yard zero w/ a standard 40gr cartridge. Even w/ a 100 yard zero the wind deflection still exists. At 200 yards the velosity would only be above 750fps, so all those numbers almost triple. Is it possible? It could be on a calm day w/ low humidity and zero wind, using a bench and front and rear support. Even a breeze of 5mph will deflect the bullet close to 2" at 100 yards and almost 6" at 200. A 6" group is very respectable at 200 yards. I guess I should move to Missouri, "show me". I'm just a sceptic. frog, I just used your info as an example, no foul intended. WHO CARES? If you dont want to believe someone, DONT! I would suggest stop pouting about somebody's e-stats and just enjoy your own shooting. |
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Interested in hearing the rational on spending $600.00 on a plinker. I will tackle this one. The same can be said for our 50BMG brothers. Why spend $10,000 on an enrty level rifle and $5.00 per round. There is no sporting reason for owning one of these. We do it, because we can. God Bless America and our freedom of choice. My .02 worth |
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