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6/16/2018 3:18:09 PM EST
[#1]
Tag since I have this....



And a bunch more UCP stuff that I'd like green.
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6/16/2018 4:24:02 PM EST
[#2]
I need to take time to get pics.  But I just dyed a whole bunch of DCU pouches with a mix of two bottles apple green and one bottle dark.  Almost look just like a woodland/ERDL green.  I'll post pics as soon as I can.
6/16/2018 6:03:32 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Miami_JBT:
Tag since I have this....

https://i.imgur.com/KvtggXR.jpg

And a bunch more UCP stuff that I'd like green.
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For your specific (FL) application, and assuming brown vegetation/terrain to be uncommon, I'd suggest using straight Rit "Apple Green".  The reason for this is that doing so darkens the material the least, and also provides some green and contrasting pixilation.  Such contrast recedes the darker the dye used.  You can see the difference between the pouches dyed with straight Apple Green, and 4:1 Apple Green:Dark Green.  YMMV, of course.

BTW, short MALICE clips from Tactical Tailor can be used to replace the ALICE clips on the buttpack; removable and reusable.  I have come to loathe ALICE clips.
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6/16/2018 6:28:01 PM EST
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Originally Posted By raf:
For your specific (FL) application, and assuming brown vegetation/terrain to be uncommon, I'd suggest using straight Rit "Apple Green".  The reason for this is that doing so darkens the material the least, and also provides some green and contrasting pixilation.  Such contrast recedes the darker the dye used.  You can see the difference between the pouches dyed with straight Apple Green, and 4:1 Apple Green:Dark Green.  YMMV, of course.

BTW, short MALICE clips from Tactical Tailor can be used to replace the ALICE clips on the buttpack; removable and reusable.  I have come to loathe ALICE clips.
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Originally Posted By raf:
Originally Posted By Miami_JBT:
Tag since I have this....

https://i.imgur.com/KvtggXR.jpg

And a bunch more UCP stuff that I'd like green.
For your specific (FL) application, and assuming brown vegetation/terrain to be uncommon, I'd suggest using straight Rit "Apple Green".  The reason for this is that doing so darkens the material the least, and also provides some green and contrasting pixilation.  Such contrast recedes the darker the dye used.  You can see the difference between the pouches dyed with straight Apple Green, and 4:1 Apple Green:Dark Green.  YMMV, of course.

BTW, short MALICE clips from Tactical Tailor can be used to replace the ALICE clips on the buttpack; removable and reusable.  I have come to loathe ALICE clips.
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6/22/2018 3:00:45 AM EST
[#5]
Just bought 6 ACU shirts. If they fit well, gonna probably do two with dark green, two with taupe and maybe two with the lighter green.
6/22/2018 3:21:13 PM EST
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Originally Posted By shelbysguns:
Just bought 6 ACU shirts. If they fit well, gonna probably do two with dark green, two with taupe and maybe two with the lighter green.
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Be advised that my comments in this thread (with a few exceptions) are concerned with dyeing nylon field gear.  I've dyed a few ABU and ACU uniforms, with good (to me) results, but the main difference is that while using vinegar with field gear, one uses salt with nylon/cotton fabric, as found in uniforms.  Make certain to wash the uniforms with NON-Brightening detergent prior to dyeing.  Woolite is safe, and readily available.

Also, dyeing uniform fabric is different from dyeing nylon, where what you see is what you get.  Uniform fabrics always darken when wet, and this makes getting the right color much more difficult.  I strongly suggest having a thoroughly wetted uniform sample available for immediate comparison purposes, although I'm not certain that doing so will ensure you getting the exact color you want.

Good luck, and please post some pix.
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6/23/2018 10:23:55 PM EST
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Originally Posted By raf:

Be advised that my comments in this thread (with a few exceptions) are concerned with dyeing nylon field gear.  I've dyed a few ABU and ACU uniforms, with good (to me) results, but the main difference is that while using vinegar with field gear, one uses salt with nylon/cotton fabric, as found in uniforms.  Make certain to wash the uniforms with NON-Brightening detergent prior to dyeing.  Woolite is safe, and readily available.

Also, dyeing uniform fabric is different from dyeing nylon, where what you see is what you get.  Uniform fabrics always darken when wet, and this makes getting the right color much more difficult.  I strongly suggest having a thoroughly wetted uniform sample available for immediate comparison purposes, although I'm not certain that doing so will ensure you getting the exact color you want.

Good luck, and please post some pix.
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Will post pics once I get dyed and Im planning to aim for dark green like the first pic with the pouch. Will take it slow and if I want darker will go darker with a second dip. Did you have any shrinkage? Maybe use less hot of water.
6/24/2018 1:00:26 PM EST
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Originally Posted By shelbysguns:
Will post pics once I get dyed and Im planning to aim for dark green like the first pic with the pouch. Will take it slow and if I want darker will go darker with a second dip. Did you have any shrinkage? Maybe use less hot of water.
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Originally Posted By shelbysguns:
Originally Posted By raf:

Be advised that my comments in this thread (with a few exceptions) are concerned with dyeing nylon field gear.  I've dyed a few ABU and ACU uniforms, with good (to me) results, but the main difference is that while using vinegar with field gear, one uses salt with nylon/cotton fabric, as found in uniforms.  Make certain to wash the uniforms with NON-Brightening detergent prior to dyeing.  Woolite is safe, and readily available.

Also, dyeing uniform fabric is different from dyeing nylon, where what you see is what you get.  Uniform fabrics always darken when wet, and this makes getting the right color much more difficult.  I strongly suggest having a thoroughly wetted uniform sample available for immediate comparison purposes, although I'm not certain that doing so will ensure you getting the exact color you want.

Good luck, and please post some pix.
Will post pics once I get dyed and Im planning to aim for dark green like the first pic with the pouch. Will take it slow and if I want darker will go darker with a second dip. Did you have any shrinkage? Maybe use less hot of water.
My uniform items, both ACU and ABU, were bought used, and so I was able to make sure size was OK.  IOW, from the appearance of both uniforms, they had shrunk as much as they were likely to, prior to dyeing.  OTOH, I would certainly expect new, unwashed/unshrunk items to shrink; how much is hard to say.
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6/24/2018 5:45:28 PM EST
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Upc  camo after some emerald green and brown rit dye. Also one desert camo ifak dyed as well

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6/24/2018 6:54:12 PM EST
[#10]
Going by pic, is that what you wanted?
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6/24/2018 7:00:38 PM EST
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Originally Posted By raf:
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If you are talking to, sort of.
I just wanted something that would blend better with my ao. It's not exactly what I'd want but better than ucp. And was only about 30 bucks for the ifv and assorted pouches.
The difference in color could be attributed to different material of each peice or I let one batch cook in the pot longer than the other.
6/30/2018 1:25:33 AM EST
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Anyone have experience with Old Grouch surplus? I ordered 6 shirts from them and no contact from them besides the auto generated reciept email. Sent an email today no answer will try and call tommorrow.
7/1/2018 8:20:56 AM EST
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Originally Posted By SCPigpen:
If you are talking to, sort of.
I just wanted something that would blend better with my ao. It's not exactly what I'd want but better than ucp. And was only about 30 bucks for the ifv and assorted pouches.
The difference in color could be attributed to different material of each peice or I let one batch cook in the pot longer than the other.
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Originally Posted By raf:
Going by pic, is that what you wanted?
If you are talking to, sort of.
I just wanted something that would blend better with my ao. It's not exactly what I'd want but better than ucp. And was only about 30 bucks for the ifv and assorted pouches.
The difference in color could be attributed to different material of each peice or I let one batch cook in the pot longer than the other.
Yes, I was speaking to you.  Please try to stay away from Rit Brown dye when dyeing nylon field gear.  It might be fine for all-cotton cloth, but with Nylon field gear, a lot of red shows up.  Looks like the emerald green you used toned down the red a bit, so the stuff looks good, compared to the "Martian-red" nylon gear I've seen.
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7/1/2018 8:40:26 AM EST
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Originally Posted By raf:

Yes, I was speaking to you.  Please try to stay away from Rit Brown dye when dyeing nylon field gear.  It might be fine for all-cotton cloth, but with Nylon field gear, a lot of red shows up.  Looks like the emerald green you used toned down the red a bit, so the stuff looks good, compared to the "Martian-red" nylon gear I've seen.
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I didn't know that, about the brown.
I just guessed and got lucky.
Been thinking about making another set for AK since you can get the ucp so cheap so I'll have to remember.
7/1/2018 11:29:27 AM EST
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Originally Posted By SCPigpen:
I didn't know that, about the brown.
I just guessed and got lucky.
Been thinking about making another set for AK since you can get the ucp so cheap so I'll have to remember.
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Originally Posted By SCPigpen:
Originally Posted By raf:

Yes, I was speaking to you.  Please try to stay away from Rit Brown dye when dyeing nylon field gear.  It might be fine for all-cotton cloth, but with Nylon field gear, a lot of red shows up.  Looks like the emerald green you used toned down the red a bit, so the stuff looks good, compared to the "Martian-red" nylon gear I've seen.
I didn't know that, about the brown.
I just guessed and got lucky.
Been thinking about making another set for AK since you can get the ucp so cheap so I'll have to remember.
I suggest starting at the beginning of the thread.  I give lots of pix, and explain what dye(s) were used in most cases.  I specifically warned about using Rit Brown dye, and recommended using rit taupe dye instead.  No biggie, you didn't ruin your gear, as did I during early experimentation.
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9/16/2018 12:19:19 PM EST
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Anybody tried dyeing MARPAT Desert?
9/16/2018 2:27:14 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Pav56C:
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Marpat Desert is a pretty good desert pattern, as-is. I can envision it working reasonably well in non-snow winter, such as  brown fields and leaves here in CONUS.  If wishing a darker, browner overall color, consider dyeing with either Taupe of some form of light brown to achieve an overall Coyote Brown.  Make sure to understand the rules for dyeing cotton/polyester cloth, as found on Rit Dye website; such ruled differ greatly from rules for dyeing nylon field gear.  As with over-dying any pre-existing camo pattern, the lighter segments will absorb the dye most readily, and the darker the pixel, the less the absorption, and the less the change.  This sort of variable-dyeing due to a pre-existing pattern can be seen when comparing the various UCP-pattern gear, whose pix are in the earlier part of this thread.

There is another point, which illustrates but one of the many differences between dying nylon field gear and cotton/poly uniforms.

Aside from adding vinegar to solutions intended for nylon field gear, and salt to cotton/poly clothing, that is.  Don't forget that essential, and important difference.

With Nylon field gear, making a solution highly-saturated with dye is not usually a problem, as long as the dyer realizes that with nylon, what you see is a tinch darker than the dry result, and pulls the gear before it gets too dark.  Fairly simple:  Dye some gear, pull it when desired effect is achieved, add more dye, repeat process.  Simple.

With cotton/poly uniforms/clothing, the saturation of the dying solution must be controlled to a much finer degree.  The material naturally darkens to a great degree by being wetted with water alone, and so this masks the effects of the dye.  Too much dye, and the clothing, which takes the dye almost instantly, is too dark.   With the case of cotton/poly material, the material takes the dye so fast that pulling it is not usually an option.

So, and with the understanding that I am NO expert in dyeing cotton/poly material, I would suggest that the dyer start by using disposable items of identical material/camo pattern as test items, and dying them with rather light concentrations of dye.  Remember that it is always possible to dye darker, but never possible to dye lighter than the original material.
A number of subsequent dyeings, with small, but progressively higher concentrations of dye, should allow one to reach, in stages, the desired color with cotton/poly material.  I'd dye a tinch darker, and reckon on some of the dye eventually washing-out, even if a dye-fixer compound (available from Rit) was used.

Frankly, all the USMC Marpat is likely to be replaced by (USMC-LOGO-ed) Army Multicam clone camo patterns, including Desert Marpat.  I'd leave the Marpat items alone because they will no doubt become collector's items in due course.  Collectors love genuine USMC stuff.

YMMV.
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9/16/2018 9:32:08 PM EST
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How about dying desert stuff green?

I love Tiger Stripe, but it's dark for my area.
I'm considering getting some desert Tigers and rit dying green.

Thoughts?
9/17/2018 7:56:00 AM EST
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How about dying desert stuff green?

I love Tiger Stripe, but it's dark for my area.
I'm considering getting some desert Tigers and rit dying green.

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Should be do-able; I'd use the same, gradual, approach as outlined above.  You can find some worn-out UCP uniform items on which to experiment for cheap.

Keep in mind that new, or near-new uniform cloth will shrink due to the hot water used when dying.  So plan on the sizes of the uniforms changing as a result.
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9/17/2018 9:09:30 AM EST
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ACU dyed with black Rit. Turned out navy and foliage green (the buckles and mesh didn't change color).



9/17/2018 10:45:31 AM EST
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Originally Posted By PineappleDevil:
ACU dyed with black Rit. Turned out navy and foliage green (the buckles and mesh didn't change color).

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Non-GI nylon material takes the dye in unexpected ways.  If that was a GI Assault Pack, the outcome might well have been different.  The plastic buckles will accept a little of the dye; almost not enough to notice except of compared side-by-side with an undyed buckle.

I don't know if that's your desired outcome, but I've seen much worse for sale in stores, and almost anything is better than UCP.
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9/18/2018 8:42:01 AM EST
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Originally Posted By raf:

Non-GI nylon material takes the dye in unexpected ways.  If that was a GI Assault Pack, the outcome might well have been different.  The plastic buckles will accept a little of the dye; almost not enough to notice except of compared side-by-side with an undyed buckle.

I don't know if that's your desired outcome, but I've seen much worse for sale in stores, and almost anything is better than UCP.
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I think it looks fantastic. I was hoping for all black but navy and foliage look great together. If I couldn't get all black this is a great second option.
9/19/2018 11:10:08 AM EST
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I think it looks fantastic. I was hoping for all black but navy and foliage look great together. If I couldn't get all black this is a great second option.
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Originally Posted By PineappleDevil:
Originally Posted By raf:

Non-GI nylon material takes the dye in unexpected ways.  If that was a GI Assault Pack, the outcome might well have been different.  The plastic buckles will accept a little of the dye; almost not enough to notice except of compared side-by-side with an undyed buckle.

I don't know if that's your desired outcome, but I've seen much worse for sale in stores, and almost anything is better than UCP.
I think it looks fantastic. I was hoping for all black but navy and foliage look great together. If I couldn't get all black this is a great second option.
Concur.
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9/25/2018 8:36:04 PM EST
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I RIT dyed this ACU web gear and Boony hat with Dark Forest Green RIT. The color is more olive with a very slight hint of blue but over all it looks good in person. The pics do not show the actual color.
9/29/2018 2:34:00 PM EST
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Looks good. I think I'll try that color out.

I just got an acu/ucp field jacket that's like new, for free.
9/29/2018 4:20:12 PM EST
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Re-read the thread if dying uniform items; the process is different than dyeing nylon gear items.
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2/27/2019 4:29:22 PM EST
[#27]
Any formula for dyeing UCP ranger green?
2/27/2019 10:23:14 PM EST
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What happens if ACU uniform items are soaked in bleach for a few days? How light does it make the pattern?
3/2/2019 1:19:28 PM EST
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Never tried it.  At some point, depending on bleach/water concentration vs. exposure time, the bleach will begin to damage the cloth
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3/3/2019 7:59:54 PM EST
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Sounds like ill have to buy some bleach and give it a shot.
3/15/2019 5:43:58 PM EST
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I RIT dyed this ACU web gear and Boony hat with Dark Forest Green RIT. The color is more olive with a very slight hint of blue but over all it looks good in person. The pics do not show the actual color.
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Looking at this again, and certainly no offense intended to poster, I think it's overall too dark, and there is insufficient difference between the lightest pixels, and the darkest ones. I have come back to the simplest procedure, which is to dye UCP nylon gear with 4 parts Apple Green and one part Dark Green.  See the pix far above, and see the results.  For camo to be truly effective, there needs to be some sort of contrasting "break-up" of colors/patterns.  YMMV.

OTOH, it's better that UCP for any green environment than the original, so there is that to consider.

Some day, original UCP field gear is going to command stupid prices from collectors.  My making dyeing threads is driving such future prices up.  They should pay me for driving up the value of their collections.
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6/21/2019 8:27:49 PM EST
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After some time has gone by, and after further experimentation, and much thought given to the topic of dyeing UCP nylon gear, I have come to the following conclusion.

First, some background.

The original UCP gear has 3 different pixels.  One light, usually very light tan or even white,  a medium pixel always of the usual Foliage Green, and a dark pixel, always of a very dark version of Foliage Green.

This camo pattern is an excellent one to use when viewed by an opponent using Night Vision Gear.  Other than that, unless coated by dirt, it's a terrible pattern.  When deliberately 'dirtied-up", it's passable, in some circumstances.

The camo pattern relies on the disruptive pattern of the light/med/dark pixels to work.   In short, the contrast between the different shaded pixels IS the camo pattern.

If dyeing these nylon gear items, please keep in mind that the lighter pixels will "take" the dye much more readily than the darker pixels.  Since it is necessary to maintain a distinction between the light/med/dark pixels, in order for the camo pattern to work, it is necessary to dye the item in such a manner to leave the lighter pixels with a trace of the desired tint (Green/Brown), but to NOT dye them too dark.

Less is More.  Dye the item to desired color, but I suggest that a lighter dyeing will maintain a better contrast and better camo effect than a darker dyeing.  One can always re-dye to a darker shade, but NEVER to a lighter shade.  The contrast is KEY with the UCP pattern.,  YMMV.
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6/25/2019 7:18:38 PM EST
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Figured I’d add to this.  Was going for something Ranger Greenish.  LBT 6094, started off as ABU pattern.

Used about 3-4 gallons of water, 3 bottles of Rit Dye (liquid, synthetic mixture) Peacock Green, and 1/2 bottle Rit Dye (liquid) Dark Brown.  Sat the pan on an outdoor turkey fryer base, got it boiling, and let soak for 8 minutes (with regular stirring/churning).  I threw some pouches in for roughly 30 minutes first but they came out with a bluish tinge.

ETA:  The Velcro on the chest plate is a dark green, not black like the picture seems, but otherwise the colors are represented well, although a little bit more blue than they look in person..

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7/2/2019 10:08:12 AM EST
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@raf

What are your thoughts on taking multicam and adding black for “multicam black” or green for “multicam tropic”?

Also, have you tried getting ACU dyed to wolf grey?
7/3/2019 6:54:19 PM EST
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What are your thoughts on taking multicam and adding black for "multicam black" or green for "multicam tropic"?

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Based on my experiences, I say the following; Take it for what it is worth, since I have NPT tried to replicate the colors/camo patterns specified above.

As always, the lighter pixels always take more dye than the darker pixels.  In some cases, such as with Apple Green, the lighter pixels are still light, and the medium and dark UCP pixels also take the dye to varying degrees.  This maintains the contrast, which is an essential part of the camouflage pattern.  In many cases, over-dyeing can yield a decent overall color, but the breakup pixilation of the original pattern will be lost.  Your call.

Remember one IMPORTANT point:  It is always possible to dye darker, if the initial result is not what one desires.  It is impossible to go lighter than what one has initially.  So go easy at first, and re-dye to suit your desires.  Take notes, and soon you will be an expert.  There are still batches/lots of UCP grenade pouches for sale cheap, and such make great experimental items.

Another IMPORTANT point:  Most of the tips on the Rit Dye website are concerned with dyeing cotton fabric, not nylon field gear.  A Brown dye, perfectly acceptable for cotton clothing, comes out Martian RED on nylon field gear.  I use Taupe for dyeing brown, instead of Red, or Tan.  The point is to experiment on discardable items before dyeing something valuable.

1) Black Multicam.  I think I'd experiment with some light grey dyes, suitable for nylon.  That will give the lighter pixels a slightly darker cast, and darken the medium and dark pixels a bit.   I don't know how the webbing will take the dye.

2) Wolf Grey.  Find a Dye that gives a light/medium gray cast.  Experiment. I think that with the right dye, the lighter pixels in UCP will take the dye, and come close to matching the medium and darker ones.  Done right, probably a better camo pattern than UCP or Wolf Grey, although pixelation will still be present, and IMHO, this is desirable.  If you don't want this, then re-dye, and accept that a darker grey than Wolf Grey will likely be the result.

Multicam Tropic.  Straight Apple Green will probably give the best results in "greening-up" UCP while maintaining/accentuating contrast.  Some examples of dyeing UCP with straight Apple Green can be seen near the beginning of this thread.

It's worth mentioning that someday, Excellent condition UCP gear will command collector's prices, because it was not long issued.  Perhaps hanging on to Excellent condition UCP gear, and selling it to a collector in a few years might be the smart move.  Even now, 3-color and 6-color USGI Desert camo pattern stuff is rising in price, and such items were also issued in limited numbers/amounts.  Condition is everything, but the amount issued (scarcity) is right up there, too.  Your call.  As a former collector of USGI field gear, I say that collectors will pay remarkable prices for good to excellent condition gear. Just depends on waiting till the right time, and putting up the gear for sale on Ebay or similar.  Trust me on this.
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7/8/2019 3:18:45 PM EST
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@raf - I skimmed through the thread, excellent work!  My question is what is the point of diminishing returns dying something black.  Specifically ACU patterned gear - if I don't care about maintaining a camouflauge pattern at all and instead just want to get close to all black, what's the longest leaving it submerged will help?  I saw the backpack above by another member (which looks pretty good to me) but didn't know if you had any experience in it, perhaps with dye fail jobs.  (edit: tracking on potential resale value, I think the ugliest camo pattern ever will have a great resale value one day lol!)
7/12/2019 7:46:19 PM EST
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This may sound dumb but has anyone dyed multicam?

I just ordered a British MTP? (Basically  multicam) and I'm worried it might not be green enough for the summer woods of the north east.

The idea of greening it cost my mind.

Keep in mind I need it to blend well for surveillance.
7/13/2019 8:14:13 AM EST
[#38]
I ordered some $20  ACU chest rigs to attempt the Rit treatment on.

TAG still has some cheap chest rigs and Molle pouches in ABU and ACU. Use code "STONE25" for an additional %25 off clearance.

https://www.tacticalassaultgearstore.com/sale.html
7/13/2019 7:38:02 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Ceros_X:
@raf - I skimmed through the thread, excellent work!  My question is what is the point of diminishing returns dying something black.  Specifically ACU patterned gear - if I don't care about maintaining a camouflauge pattern at all and instead just want to get close to all black, what's the longest leaving it submerged will help?  I saw the backpack above by another member (which looks pretty good to me) but didn't know if you had any experience in it, perhaps with dye fail jobs.  (edit: tracking on potential resale value, I think the ugliest camo pattern ever will have a great resale value one day lol!)
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Just double-up on the amount of dye-per-weight of fabric, and follow suggestions on Rit site for dyeing your stuff  Probably use salt for fabric, instead of vinegar for nylon gear.  Read the instructions at the Rit site.
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7/28/2019 11:20:52 AM EST
[#40]
Below are 2ea $20 TAG ACU chest rigs.  I boiled about 4 Gal of water in my propane turkey fryer.  I transferred that to a plastic 5 Gal bucket and mixed in the full bottles pictured below of vinegar and Rit Dark Green.  I stirred them with a big ass 1 3/4" wrench and threw in the chest rig.  The padding from the chest rig straps wanted to float, so the wrench was used to keep everything sunk in the dye bath.  My intent was to keep some of the pixilation of the original pattern, so the chest rig only stayed in the dye bath for about 15 mins.  I pulled it out an rinsed it in another 5 Gal bucket of fresh water.  The end result is pictured below.



8/1/2019 7:30:29 PM EST
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Originally Posted By PirateEC:
Below are 2ea $20 TAG ACU chest rigs.  I boiled about 4 Gal of water in my propane turkey fryer.  I transferred that to a plastic 5 Gal bucket and mixed in the full bottles pictured below of vinegar and Rit Dark Green.  I stirred them with a big ass 1 3/4" wrench and threw in the chest rig.  The padding from the chest rig straps wanted to float, so the wrench was used to keep everything sunk in the dye bath.  My intent was to keep some of the pixilation of the original pattern, so the chest rig only stayed in the dye bath for about 15 mins.  I pulled it out an rinsed it in another 5 Gal bucket of fresh water.  The end result is pictured below.

https://66.media.tumblr.com/8a93103ac4e91912a8abca142b8e3857/tumblr_pvd0t2P2Gf1tws180o1_1280.jpg

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Not bad at all; nicely done.  Pixelation still visible.  Now, for the second one, try 1 part Dk Green to 4 part Apple Green, and see what you think.  I think you will be pleasantly surprised at the result. Post all the items for comparison, please.
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1/2/2020 7:43:52 PM EST
[#42]
Thread revival.

Anyone else dyeing ABU (USAF digital tiger stripe)? Would like to see more taupe results on nylon.
1/3/2020 7:15:27 AM EST
[#43]
I dyed some ABU fabric for an anorak prototype I am working on. I used a full bottle of Apple green with 4 yards of fabric using the washing machine method.

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1/3/2020 8:20:43 AM EST
[#44]
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Originally Posted By KNDAKGEAR:
I dyed some ABU fabric for an anorak prototype I am working on. I used a full bottle of Apple green with 4 yards of fabric using the washing machine method.

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That looks pretty good; a vast improvement over the original.
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1/4/2020 3:59:43 PM EST
[#45]
I really like it, both the color and the pattern.

If you're looking to sell that anorak, let me know, or your price for one.
1/11/2020 8:26:23 PM EST
[#46]
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Originally Posted By raf:
Everything's fully dry.  Apologize for delay due to high humidity caused by a few days of rain/drizzle

Just finished dyeing some other stuff as well.

The idea for this dye job was to dial-in the process of using straight Rit Taupe dye on 3-color desert camo.
From the left, an SDS-made pack, small pouches for 1911 mags sold by Old Grouch for cheap,  http://store.oldgrouch.biz/sistpimapomo.html, a CB pop flare pouch from LBT which I plan to use as a carrier for a LifeStraw, some original and some dyed GI desert camo straps, and an undyed GI MOLLE 3-color Desert Camo radio pouch

The mag pouches were advertised as "color: Wheat/Coyote brown", and were practically yellow, which is actually the color of wheat.  Nice little items, dye up well enough, and are appear well-made.  Price is stupid cheap.  The horizontal compression straps on the face of the pack were added by me, and the webbing was surplus USMC Coyote Brown.  To the naked eye, the actual color of the dyed pack is almost indistinguishable from the CB compression straps.

Picture A
http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=69202

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http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=69201

Picture C
http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=69200
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Looks great, have you had any issues with corrosion on the metal parts?
1/12/2020 1:55:33 PM EST
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Originally Posted By AJ66TEXAS:
Looks great, have you had any issues with corrosion on the metal parts?
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Originally Posted By AJ66TEXAS:
Originally Posted By raf:
Everything's fully dry.  Apologize for delay due to high humidity caused by a few days of rain/drizzle

Just finished dyeing some other stuff as well.

The idea for this dye job was to dial-in the process of using straight Rit Taupe dye on 3-color desert camo.
From the left, an SDS-made pack, small pouches for 1911 mags sold by Old Grouch for cheap,  http://store.oldgrouch.biz/sistpimapomo.html, a CB pop flare pouch from LBT which I plan to use as a carrier for a LifeStraw, some original and some dyed GI desert camo straps, and an undyed GI MOLLE 3-color Desert Camo radio pouch

The mag pouches were advertised as "color: Wheat/Coyote brown", and were practically yellow, which is actually the color of wheat.  Nice little items, dye up well enough, and are appear well-made.  Price is stupid cheap.  The horizontal compression straps on the face of the pack were added by me, and the webbing was surplus USMC Coyote Brown.  To the naked eye, the actual color of the dyed pack is almost indistinguishable from the CB compression straps.

Picture A
http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=69202

Picture B
http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=69201

Picture C
http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=69200
Looks great, have you had any issues with corrosion on the metal parts?
None whatsoever.
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6/21/2020 8:57:42 PM EST
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Originally Posted By raf:
As promised, some more dyeing pix, including brown.
Pic 5) Paraclete UCP chest rig below, dyed with two parts Rit Tan and one part Rit Black.
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I really like this color. I would really like to try this on a few things. I think it would blend in well with a mix of other gear that I have. It would look great maybe on the chest area as well.
6/27/2020 12:25:01 PM EST
[#49]
Has anyone tried this color -

Moss Green
3/4 cup Apple Green
10 Tbs Dark Green
1/2 Cup Dark Brown

I looked it up on Rit's website.

Also when you guys are talking about 4 parts to 1 parts. Are you saying Tbs or Tsp? I don't have a bottle in front of me to look at. I'm waiting for some dye to show up.
6/27/2020 3:30:57 PM EST
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Originally Posted By OlympicArmsFan:
Has anyone tried this color -

Moss Green
3/4 cup Apple Green
10 Tbs Dark Green
1/2 Cup Dark Brown

I looked it up on Rit's website.

Also when you guys are talking about 4 parts to 1 parts. Are you saying Tbs or Tsp? I don't have a bottle in front of me to look at. I'm waiting for some dye to show up.
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In my posts, saying "4:1"means just that.  It's a proportion,  Use identical measure for both dyes, as long as they are of the same type--that being liquid or powder.

However, powdered Rit dyes are of a different concentration than Rit liquid dyes.  Not teasing you, but all this is contained in my original thread.

Many Congrats on trying to learn.  Re-read the original thread, and you will discover the difference between liquid and powdered Rit dyes.

No, I'm NOT trying to be a jackass.  Just suggesting you re-read, carefully.  It's all there.

If I dump something in your lap, you have learned nothing.  If you have to do some digging/learning, than such will stick with you; You have learned something.

Go do some learning, and become the current-day guru.  The pathway is open to you.


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