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Posted: 4/5/2014 11:12:07 AM EDT
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Thanks to you guys, I'm starting to assemble a war belt and plate carrier and I have a question concerning IFAK's.
I see some of you guys with a blowout kit on both your belt and plate carrier/vest. Now this makes sense since each piece of kit can be used as a stand alone item but when the role of these items are used in conjunction, it seems like extra weight to lug around. So the question is, are you guys sporting the same kit on both your belt and carrier (2is1,1is none) or are there differences in your IFAK's? If so, what are they? Is one a minimalist and the other more advanced? If this is the case, which is where and why? |
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To me, first aid kits and 'blow out' kits are not the same. A first aid kit is for boo-boos and owies that happen (cuts, scrapes, minor burns, etc). A blow-out kit is for treating gunshot wounds. Well, since only a blowout kit would be applicable on 2nd line gear, then I'll rephrase the question... If you are running a blowout kit on your both your belt and vest, are they the same? If not, what is different and why? Also, if they are different, why is each one on a specific place? |
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Well, since only a blowout kit would be applicable on 2nd line gear, then I'll rephrase the question... If you are running a blowout kit on your both your belt and vest, are they the same? If not, what is different and why? Also, if they are different, why is each one on a specific place? Quoted:
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To me, first aid kits and 'blow out' kits are not the same. A first aid kit is for boo-boos and owies that happen (cuts, scrapes, minor burns, etc). A blow-out kit is for treating gunshot wounds. Well, since only a blowout kit would be applicable on 2nd line gear, then I'll rephrase the question... If you are running a blowout kit on your both your belt and vest, are they the same? If not, what is different and why? Also, if they are different, why is each one on a specific place? Carry for need, but typically they would be the same, in the event you have to ditch your vest you have a ifak on your belt to treat wounds as they present themselves. |
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I personally don't see a need to have two IFAKs on you. Keep one on your vest and scatter TQs in different pockets if you're that concerned about major trauma. You're not going to be decompressing your own chest or inserting a NPA into yourself...so I probably wouldn't carry duplicates of them. Or, if you see yourself using a belt more often, keep the IFAK on your belt. Chances are, if you're gonna have a plate carrier on, you're probably gonna have your war belt on already, right?
Now, if you're fulfilling a medic role and need to carry some additional supplies on yourself...that's another story. |
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I have one on my belt, one on my chest rig (Haley D3), and one on my PC.
The belt and chest rig ones are more bare bones, just a bleeder/blowout pouch with some quik-clot, 4" izzy, chest seal and decompression needle inside with Tq on the outside. Chest rig is the same set up. My PC has the ITS Fatboy which has additional gauze, elastic bandage, NPA and such. My theory behind this was I wanted to always have somethng with me no matter what level gear I had. Sometimes it's just the bleeder pouch on my pistol belt, sometimes it's just my chest rig, and if I need to throw on a PC chances are some medical gear will be required and I have more real estate to put it on there so I can go bigger. I work as a medic and am on a tactical team so that may influemce how much medical gear I carry, everyone will have a point that makes them comfortable. My theory is if I have a gun I have an ifak. |
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Well, since only a blowout kit would be applicable on 2nd line gear, then I'll rephrase the question... If you are running a blowout kit on your both your belt and vest, are they the same? If not, what is different and why? Also, if they are different, why is each one on a specific place? Quoted:
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To me, first aid kits and 'blow out' kits are not the same. A first aid kit is for boo-boos and owies that happen (cuts, scrapes, minor burns, etc). A blow-out kit is for treating gunshot wounds. Well, since only a blowout kit would be applicable on 2nd line gear, then I'll rephrase the question... If you are running a blowout kit on your both your belt and vest, are they the same? If not, what is different and why? Also, if they are different, why is each one on a specific place? Both. Blowout kit on the belt and identical stuff + more on the PC. I like the ability to wear one or the other or be double covered. Right side behind the pistol the belt and left side, forward of where my arm hangs on my c-bun |
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The major driving force behind these considerations should be your level of training. Quoted:
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Is one a minimalist and the other more advanced? If this is the case, which is where and why? The major driving force behind these considerations should be your level of training. I disagree. My belt setup is more minimalist and lighter/smaller but still contains a needle, celox, CAT, nasal airway, izzy and halo. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
| I have an IFAK on my vest, placement dictated by unit SOP and packed IAW with the SOP. That is really for someone else that is treating me, as my access to it is very limited. THen I have a small blow out kit on my belt, for self aid, which is just a CAT, QC gauze, and a ETB. I am really considering going to a Multi-Mission Medical Taco in the small of the back though. I really like that it is removable and completely useable with both hands. |
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Over the years in Iraq and Afghanistan, I found I was way more prone to hang nails, cuts, scrapes and headaches and the occasional explosive ass syndrome than I was to getting shot. Normally, I ditched the armor and wore just a chest rig on my daily excursions around SpinB, TK and Kandahar. One day, while killing time at the British PX on KAF, I saw these on sale: Limey Goodness. I picked a couple up and emptied them out, filled them with a travel bottle size each of tylenol and advil, assorted sizes of band-aids, Neosporin, fingernail clippers, a safety pin and some antiseptic wipes. It fit neatly beside the med pull-out tray on my Micro Rig and I still had room for my pocket knife and a Streamlight Sidewinder.
Ya'll can laugh if ya want...it was the one piece of kit I'd have to go back for if I left it in my hooch. |
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