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Posted: 6/20/2013 6:15:10 PM EDT
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I have neglected this for too long, so here I am.
I'm looking to get a IFAK to keep in a bag I go everywhere with. It will travel with me when shooting. I know absolutely nothing when it comes to what I need/don't need, etc. I know, don't use anything until I'm properly trained in the event something should happen. Can anyone point me to a solid resource of were I can start to learn how to properly use certain things? I also need help building a basic kit. I just need some basic supplies that will cover most emergencies when it comes to shooting and car accidents. I have started looking at USGI kits on ebay, but besides that nothing. If this is the wrong place let me know. |
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It's not all that interchangeable. Get trained and then assemble a ifak based on what you trained with. This.... No use assembling an IFAK with a bunch of equipment you dont know the full scope of. Just as an example, the other week I seen this gentleman that had hemostats and forceps attached to his IFAK. Inside the pouch were nasal and oral airways. My question was "are you trained and understate the uses of this equipment?" My 2 cents... If your really interested in trauma care, take an EMT-Basic course. Most fire departments, police departments, ambulance services, and many universities sponsor these courses and they are usually open to the public for a fee of around $300-$400 comprising of about 130 hours of instruction. I'm sure if you contact your local Department of Health office they can assist you in finding a course. |
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Second (or thirded) the "buy what you can use" bits.
I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND AGAINST BUYING/USING ANY ADVANCED MEDICAL EQUIPMENT ON ANYONE OTHER THEN YOUR IMMEDIATE FAMILY IN AND EVEN THEN ONLY IN A LIFE OR DEATH SITUATION. 10 years of working in critical care medicine and several hundred codes later even people trained on the gear need help the first few times and they usually do it under strict supervision in a more stable environment. I would recommend: Gauze Gloves Shears Quick Clot Splints Sterile Dressings Tourniquet I would NOT recommend: Decomp needles Airways Sutures Scalpels Clamps IVs YOU MAY NOT BE COVERED UNDER GOOD SAMARITAN LAWS IF YOU USE ADVANCED MEDICAL EQUIPMENT. Take the warning as you wish. |
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I have neglected this for too long, so here I am. I'm looking to get a IFAK to keep in a bag I go everywhere with. It will travel with me when shooting. I know absolutely nothing when it comes to what I need/don't need, etc. I know, don't use anything until I'm properly trained in the event something should happen. Can anyone point me to a solid resource of were I can start to learn how to properly use certain things? I also need help building a basic kit. I just need some basic supplies that will cover most emergencies when it comes to shooting and car accidents. I have started looking at USGI kits on ebay, but besides that nothing. If this is the wrong place let me know. This isn't a bad resource for some video training although hands on would be better: North American Rescue That site has just about anything you could want and a lot more. Other good sites would be: Chinook Medical and Rescue Essentials Actually Amazon.com has a lot of this stuff as well. As far as what you need in the kit, I carry the following: shears Tourniquet trauma dressing QuickClot gauze (get the gauze or the sponge not the granules) If you don't want to spend the money on the Quickclot go with a good z-pack gauze chest seals duct tape sharpie It's my opinion that's all you need on your person. Anything else can be carried in a ruck or a car bag. Regarding the pressure dressing, a lot of folks buy the Israeli dressing or the Oales. They are both good but they are bulky. I prefer the basic dressing sold by North American Rescue. |
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I'll be the (partially) dissenting party.
Of course you should only do what you're qualified to do, good Samaritan laws, et al IFAKs are designed to be used ON you, not BY you. I have decomp needles is all my IFAKs. I have minimal training on them with army dummies but not the confidence to perform one on a live body. That being said, I often hang out with, go shooting, camping, hiking with experienced BTDT types. If something were to happen to me, I would want them to have the necessary tools available for them to save MY life. If you got in a car accident and a third party was a OEF vet whose now an ER surgeon - wouldn't you want to have at least some advanced life saving tools at their disposal? I would. Get it? I don't have delusions of being able to use all of my supplies on someone else. |
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I'll be the (partially) dissenting party. Of course you should only do what you're qualified to do, good Samaritan laws, et al IFAKs are designed to be used ON you, not BY you. I have decomp needles is all my IFAKs. I have minimal training on them with army dummies but not the confidence to perform one on a live body. That being said, I often hang out with, go shooting, camping, hiking with experienced BTDT types. If something were to happen to me, I would want them to have the necessary tools available for them to save MY life. If you got in a car accident and a third party was a OEF vet whose now an ER surgeon - wouldn't you want to have at least some advanced life saving tools at their disposal? I would. Get it? I don't have delusions of being able to use all of my supplies on someone else. I agree and carry a decomp needle myself. What I was referring to was the differences, even slight between things like the SOFT/W and CAT that are going to slow the application in a stress situation, especially if during self treatment. Get trained and equipment yourself for success. |
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Whiskey and Condoms!!! But seriously what this guy said. Quoted:
It's not all that interchangeable. Get trained and then assemble a ifak based on what you trained with. 180* change of course. Use the industry standard that's been selected through use in a decade of combat in two AOs and then get trained on that gear - the gear that blacktide posted. |
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Whiskey and Condoms!!! But seriously what this guy said. Quoted:
It's not all that interchangeable. Get trained and then assemble a ifak based on what you trained with. 180* change of course. Use the industry standard that's been selected through use in a decade of combat in two AOs and then get trained on that gear - the gear that blacktide posted. So the common theme here is get the proper equipment and get trained how to use it or get trained how to use the proper equipment and then obtain it. Chicken/egg. |
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Whiskey and Condoms!!! But seriously what this guy said. Quoted:
It's not all that interchangeable. Get trained and then assemble a ifak based on what you trained with. 180* change of course. Use the industry standard that's been selected through use in a decade of combat in two AOs and then get trained on that gear - the gear that blacktide posted. So the common theme here is get the proper equipment and get trained how to use it or get trained how to use the proper equipment and then obtain it. Chicken/egg. 
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| I would like to take a different route here if I may. I have all the contents and training etc. I need. It is currently housed in a Condor tear away med pouch (My last condor pouch to get rid of) I am looking to purchase a tear away, removable type pouch because I like my IFAK mounted on the back of my belt. I'm looking for you guy's recommendations for a good, rather inexpensive IFAK pouch of this type. Any help would be appreciated. |
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I would like to take a different route here if I may. I have all the contents and training etc. I need. It is currently housed in a Condor tear away med pouch (My last condor pouch to get rid of) I am looking to purchase a tear away, removable type pouch because I like my IFAK mounted on the back of my belt. I'm looking for you guy's recommendations for a good, rather inexpensive IFAK pouch of this type. Any help would be appreciated. The ATS is the only tear away I know of. |
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I would like to take a different route here if I may. I have all the contents and training etc. I need. It is currently housed in a Condor tear away med pouch (My last condor pouch to get rid of) I am looking to purchase a tear away, removable type pouch because I like my IFAK mounted on the back of my belt. I'm looking for you guy's recommendations for a good, rather inexpensive IFAK pouch of this type. Any help would be appreciated. The ATS is the only tear away I know of. http://www.originalsoegear.com/tearifak.html |
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Check out ITS Tactical. Did they come out with a tear away? I like my Tallboy Quoted:
http://i1302.photobucket.com/albums/ag126/Half-Bear/2nd/image_zpsa851f7ed.jpg 2 Olaes bandages Sheers Gloves Face Shield SOF Tourniquet That's a massive kit to hold what appears to be not a lot of stuff. |
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Get some training. A tourniquet can be dangerous in "untrained" hands. ... Meh. Ineffective, yes. Easily. Particularly dangerous? I wouldn't necessarily agree with that. The basic training required to put on a CAT can be done with a semi-intelligent person, a spare TK, and a couple minutes of instruction. Put a "Once you put this on, don't take it off, and get medical help ASAP" qualifier on the end of the instruction, and you're pretty much good to go. The idea of "if you put a TK on, you're going to lose the limb" or "TKs should only be used as a last resort" are both basically unfounded when you compare them to realistic experience over the past decade and some. |
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Get some training. A tourniquet can be dangerous in "untrained" hands. ... Meh. Ineffective, yes. Easily. Particularly dangerous? I wouldn't necessarily agree with that. The basic training required to put on a CAT can be done with a semi-intelligent person, a spare TK, and a couple minutes of instruction. Put a "Once you put this on, don't take it off, and get medical help ASAP" qualifier on the end of the instruction, and you're pretty much good to go. The idea of "if you put a TK on, you're going to lose the limb" or "TKs should only be used as a last resort" are both basically unfounded when you compare them to realistic experience over the past decade and some. Well then a statement by you with this post and your personal info in your next response should qualify the OP as trained and release him from any legal obligation. Help him out. |
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Check out ITS Tactical. Did they come out with a tear away? I like my Tallboy Quoted:
http://i1302.photobucket.com/albums/ag126/Half-Bear/2nd/image_zpsa851f7ed.jpg 2 Olaes bandages Sheers Gloves Face Shield SOF Tourniquet That's a massive kit to hold what appears to be not a lot of stuff. A little smaller than your standard ifak without internal organization. The Olaes bandages take up a lot of room, but even still, I can still fit a chest seal, HH bandage and a roll. My blow out pouch has a cinch tight, petroleum gauze, gloves, Hbandage, TK tourniquet and sheers 
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