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Posted: 8/8/2011 3:03:54 AM EDT
| I just finished a instructors course. In class, I found that the buttstock magazine pouch does not work for me. It gets in the way of the charging handle and makes support side shots nearly impossible. I'm not a fan of double mag in the gun. You loose to many rounds if u hit the mag release at the wrong time(it does happen). Primarily I'm a patrolman, but do pack a tactical vest in the trunk. Just would like to carry a few extra rounds on a fast bail out... Center mass Inc has a solution to put 20 rounds on my belt ( looking into there product now)... Just wanted to see what is recommend . Thank you in advance |
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I run a 20 rounder in the rifle. Makes it much easier to get it in and out of the gun lock between the seats. Also easier to get it into action and shoot it while still inside the car. Carry a chest rig with 4 additional 30 rounders behind the driver's head rest. Can grab rifle in one hand and chest rig in other while bailing out.
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| I know your not a fan of two mags but I want to try one of these out. Not cheap but seems like it would be lighter than a redimag and a simpler. |
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just throw a 30 round mag in each of my back pockets That's as fast and easy as anything, use mags with ranger plates or else just use PMags so that they're easier to draw from the pockets. Or a simple bail out bag with some extra rifle and pistol mags that you can throw over your shoulder. |
| I don't like to keep more weight on my rifle than I need to. I would recommend a fast mag on your patrol belt for a spare 30rd P Mag. But if you must have a spare mag on your rifle the ready mag is a good option. If you use a mag coupler it remains bulky after you used the first mag. In most civilian shootouts you're not going to use more than 30 rds in your rifle and the ammo you have in your sidearm. When I go on medevac missions or ground missions we keep one mag in our M4. |
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Thats a lot of money for just a bag |
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Add some Molle mag pouches to this and you're set. They are out there at a better price though. |
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Buttstock pouches suck, and everyone I've seen get one in theater ends up throwing it away b/c, obviously, it interferes with the charging handle.
If you have the belt space, keep a magazine in a kydex pouch on your duty belt. Otherwise, I'd go with just throwing the mags in my pocket when I grab the rifle. Way, way back I worked for a city dept, and my waist wasn't big enough to add a rifle mag w/o moving other items near my spine. You don't want anything back there in case you fall, so just keep that in mind also. |
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I have a MOLLE platform thigh rig very similar to this. I also have an extra buckle for it. One buckle stays on my belt, the other hangs from the cage of my patrol car. I can hang the platform on the cage and quickly retrieve it and snap it on my belt if I need to.
I have had it set up in several configurations over time. You can put M4 mag shingles and carry up to six AR mags. Or you can put a variety of pistol mags, AR mags, and shotgun shell holders on it. Some models have a pocket on the inside that will accept an IFAK or blow-out kit. I have found that, during dynamic training where I am running and jumping, the pouch tends to open up. Nothing falls out, but it makes my ammunition harder to get to. I sewed the pouch closed and it works great. The advantage to this system is that you do not have to carry it in one hand as you run and shoot like some emergency bags, and it does not interfere with access to your duty belt like other bags with the shoulder strap. |
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I keep a spare rifle mag and glock mag in my door pocket.
The rifle is so secured, that it has to be made ready. It's a PIA to do that with one hand while driving code. There is a good chance that when I really need it, that I prob won't have time to get it. If I do have time to get it ready then more than likely all I will need is the one mag in the rifle but at least I have two areas to go to if extra rounds are needed, either my door pocket or my trunk where I keep a 4 mag belt carrier. |
| I'd go with an extra mag on my belt if I were in your shoes but the closest I've ever been to LE was as an ARNG augmentee to AF security forces. I know you guys carry a lot of shit on your belt already and you probably don't want to add more. I'm not a fan of extra mags on the weapon. I can't imagine a situation where a civilian (even one with a badge) would be justified in using suppressing fire to fix the enemy so the extra mag is really mostly just to reduce a stoppage. |
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I just finished a instructors course. In class, I found that the buttstock magazine pouch does not work for me. It gets in the way of the charging handle and makes support side shots nearly impossible. I'm not a fan of double mag in the gun. You loose to many rounds if u hit the mag release at the wrong time(it does happen). Primarily I'm a patrolman, but do pack a tactical vest in the trunk. Just would like to carry a few extra rounds on a fast bail out... Center mass Inc has a solution to put 20 rounds on my belt ( looking into there product now)... Just wanted to see what is recommend . Thank you in advance Hey, I can help. Come join us over on Lightfighter in the Thin Blue Line, as we've got lots of LEO's in your situation that have discussed this very issue, and you may get better answers. Not everyone on AR15 has experience with this issue, and unfortunately there are posters on some forums that feel they need to offer advice they don't have experience with. I'm also a Firearms Instructor for my agency, and these are issues I've worked with with many officers in my region. I have two co-workers using the Centermass option. One of them also is a glutton for punishment and uses a Redi-mag as well. The Redi-Mag is an excellent option, but I don't like the extra weight myself. In terms of losing ammunition or hitting the wrong release, this is more of a training issue than an issue with the device itself. The Centermass option works well. One of ours was one of the first ones released. It recently cracked at the belt loop attachment, but they replaced it for nothing. Retention has been excellent, and the two guys like them. I don't use one for two reasons: #1 I do not like the extra thickness in front of my duty belt, and carry my spare mag at about 8 o'clock. #2, you have to have a pouch like a pistol mag pouch that has vertical AND horizontal slots. I carry my SF G2 light in a pouch over mine, and the concept doesn't work so far with the Centermass for me. I still would recommend it however. I personally use an ATS 20-rd Mag shingle. The MOLLE straps have a little play on my 2 1/4 belt, so I also secure it with a short MALICE clip. Tension has been excellent with PMAGS (I have not carried a USGI aluminum mag in it on duty, as black PMAGS hide or are much more discreet.) The MOLLE/PALS channels allow me to mount my flashlight pouch over it to further cover the mag a bit. I also can carry a 20-rd or 30-rd as my spare mag. I work a rural area, so if I need to get out of the squad with my rifle, I'm comforted to have 2-28 round magazines vs 2-20's. Some of the other options are good ones, depending on your situation. I've tried them all so far. To be honest, I look at it from a worst-case scenario, that I'm in a situation where I'm under fire immediately and moving. I only have so many hands, and I'll be using one to control the vehicle or exit the squad, while the other will take hold of the rifle. I'm not going to be able to grab much while exiting, and to be honest I've found that loaded chest rigs or other bags on the passenger seat have been awkward to reach back in and get, and with the amounts of equipment in today's ever-shrinking interiors the snag-factor is extremely high. An active shooter bag, or at the very least, a mag-pouched bandoleer with a strap, is something that is convenient and can possibly be stored behind the B-pillar and the seat in the case of the bandoleer. Disadvantage I've learned is that they are hard to keep from swinging around sometimes, and if not careful can be overloaded with the kitchen sink and thus swing more and also have a habit of snagging on things in tight areas when clearing the interior of a structure. Pockets can work. Maybe. Not all uniforms have side cargo pockets and not all agencies allow the Class B uniforms with the cargo pockets. With the gear arrangement on my belt, the left rear pocket would not be accessible for a spare magazine. Cargo pockets that do not already have mag pouches in them do not secure mags in place well, and if you're in an "Oh-shit" moment of needing to do a speed load, the orientation of your rifle mag is as important as the orientation of the spare pistol mags on your belt. Another thing to consider is is anything else carried in that pocket? USMC03 on here and other boards sometimes did this when he'd leave the office for something. He posted once that during a competition where he tried to duplicate how he responded from work he had a malfunction. He found a wrapper in his pocket got attached to the magazine and then into his chamber. Something to consider. From Swoosh: "I'm not an l33t tier one operator but have you tried those 60 round surfires" This is a concern, since you are bailing out already with reduced ammunition. If you have a malfunction, such as a double-feed, or a magazine problem, you lose A LOT of your ammunition when you experience a problem. Two is one and one is none is the mantra that is important here. The rig posted by JMH is a decent concept as well. Make sure that the buckles won't crack (Cheap Chinese ones...). I had mine set up with a double 2-mag pouch. Forward pouch I had the flap folded inside for use as a speed load or to put the Taser in. Rear pouch I had the mag covered. Just because pouches say 2-mags doesn't mean you need to fill them with that. I do not reccommend more than 2 mags on a thigh rig, as the weight becomes awkward, makes the pouch swing around worse, and has mag retention issues once you begin to use them. Another negative is under stress, mating the two buckles may become challenging. That is the main reason I do not use it regularly as I once did. SOTech has an option where you clip the rig to a straight baton ring, but that lowers the pouch too far down my leg for me. The pouch should ideally be sitting just over your hip pocket. Quote from BlueFalcon: "I'd go with an extra mag on my belt if I were in your shoes but the closest I've ever been to LE was as an ARNG augmentee to AF security forces. I know you guys carry a lot of shit on your belt already and you probably don't want to add more. I'm not a fan of extra mags on the weapon. I can't imagine a situation where a civilian (even one with a badge) would be justified in using suppressing fire to fix the enemy so the extra mag is really mostly just to reduce a stoppage." The issue that LEO's are dealing with more and more again is not only multiple threats/targets to engage but also high-round engagements. So while statistically only a few rounds MAY be expended, there are more than enough shootings to show that more than that can be a possibility. Same reason we carry three spare pistol mags. I'd rather equip for the worse case than the statistic, and there are ways to do that within reason. This is how I run my equipment. Mk18-length rifle is in an overhead rack in my squad, and a 20-30 round magazine is on the belt. I have enough to bail from my squad for immediate action. The left rear seat has a Camelbak HAWG. That size pack is perfect in that it holds 6 more magazines and the various items I would either need to hold on a perimeter or participate in an Active Shooter situation, either as part of a Tactical Response in a Rescue Team or to bring with if needed to seek and engage as the Hunter Team. The location in my squad is such that I can grab it from behind concealment/cover, unlike gear maintained on the passenger side potentially, and I can also grab it quickly. In the trunk is where I have the plate carrier and duffles with my Tac-gear for if I have time to put it on. I set this up in my squad much like the gear layering system of lines and so that I do not need to depend or rely on certain equipment the situation may not let me get. I'm primarily the only one that uses my car, but it's also a system that officers that share cars can use as well. I take my equipment out at the end of my weekly rotation to have in case needed on my days off and someone else uses my squad. Feel free to email me for discussion if you wish. Use the email instead of the IM feature, as it will get to me quicker. Like I said, we have several good threads on this over in Lightfighter, and hope to see you there if you're interested. |
| I run a double mag on my PC in. The trunk. I practice mag changes a lot so I'm confident about switching up without dropping the spare 30. I wear an external vest and have a Blue Force Gear two mag carrier on my left side for amount up the ammo load when necessary. There's a Velcro panel on my center chest for slapping esstac shotgun cards with Velcro on. |
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I have broken one of the Centerfire Systems mag holders, and it was at a 3 gun match, so I doubt it would hold up to EDC on a duty belt... Hmmm. They hold up on a lot of them. If yours broke, call them. It may be a defect. You are talking about Centermass and not Centerfire as you typed, right? |
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I have my Active Shooter bag with GSW and IFAK, extra AR and Glock mags, flashlight etc; that I keep in my trunk.
It's the LAPG Bail Out Gear Bag. http://www.lapolicegear.com/tabaoutbag.html I also keep a MOLLE II 6 Magazine bandoleer inside the bag. http://www.lapolicegear.com/tabaoutbag.html Even though it holds 6 USGI mags, it only holds 3 Pmags. My duty rifle has a 30 round Pmag, but I'm switching over to a 20 rounder for ease getting it in and out of the car. I don't like mag couplers or stock pouches, and don't want the extra weight on my hips all night. I love the idea of the Molle Bandoleer, either in the front of the vehicle or in my bag in the trunk. |
| I have a set up like jmh-ar-15 talked about, it's a simple rig with two 30 rd AR mags and a single Gock mag. the quick release buckle rides on my inner duty belt and mostly behind my radio carrier. The thigh only has a single leg strap and I can put the rig on while I'm driving. The thigh rig rides in the passenger seat until I need it. There are pros and cons to every option, for me I don't like the idea of a bag slung across my back and possibly intefering with or hanging up my rifle sling. |
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