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Posted: 7/17/2011 9:13:48 PM EDT
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So I live in Arizona, where the landscape changes from desert to woodland about every 15 feet. It's time to buy some new tactical gear, and I've been wondering, is there a better camo than coyote brown for desert and woodland environments? http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk316/StevenJaz/07-arizona-desert-west-of-sedona-s.jpg?t=1310965764 Obviously, coyote is great for desert (which is abundant here in AZ), but sticks out like a sore thumb yelling "HEY, LOOK AT ME" in the woods. http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk316/StevenJaz/landscape-flagstaff.jpg?t=1310965764 See how it switches from desert color to woodland just like that? In looking at the available colors for some of the gear I've picked out, I'd think that ranger green is the best solid color for both environments. I thought khaki would do fairly well, but after seeing some colleague's khaki tac gear, I'm unconvinced. As far as camo goes, I'm clueless, because I've always used 3 color desert or desert MARPAT 
also not a huge fan of Army ACU. Any suggestions for a desert and woodland camo pattern? or a solid color? |
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hunting camo seems to be alot better for what I'm looking for than military camo. A-TACS does look promising though 1) Tac gear does not really come in hunting camo. 2) Hunting camo ( clothes ) is not ment/designed for the 'riggers' of combat. hey, dont rag on me, rag on the guys telling me to get hunting camo :D also, "rigors"* A-TACS does look promising, but the tan makes me think it might not be great in the woods. let me know how you find the bag! |
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lol okay, okay, I get it. Multicam is the best. time to look up examples of it in nature, thanks. here are a couple of mine that are close to your second pic 
trust me/us, it will work for you. riggers/rigors, you knew what I ment   , and I was in a hurry to go to TKD class 
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yeah, multicam looks like the best, especially from your pics. I heard somewhere it uses the brain's natural tendency to "fill in the blanks", and that causes it to adapt to it's surroundings better.
like a science experiment I did in the 8th grade, hold a piece of paper with a plus sign on one half and a dot on the other half in front of your face, and stare at the dot. the plus sign dissapears. also, TKD sounds great for shooting guns out of your pant legs, ala bayonetta http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk316/StevenJaz/Bayonetta__Art_Contest_by_E_Mann.jpg?t=1311042065 |
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hunting camo seems to be alot better for what I'm looking for than military camo. A-TACS does look promising though 1) Tac gear does not really come in hunting camo. 2) Hunting camo ( clothes ) is not ment/designed for the 'riggers' of combat. Does it really matter if his shirt and pants match his vest perfectly? What "combat" is the OP going to be doing? |
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really helpful article, thanks |
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Hopefully none, but hunting clothes are for walking out in the woods and sitting on your ass waiting, again
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hunting camo seems to be alot better for what I'm looking for than military camo. A-TACS does look promising though 1) Tac gear does not really come in hunting camo. 2) Hunting camo ( clothes ) is not ment/designed for the 'riggers' of combat. Does it really matter if his shirt and pants match his vest perfectly?No, but since he asked, why not do it right from the start What "combat" is the OP going to be doing? not designed for the 'rigors' of combat, so do it right from the start part 2 
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ITS really tried these camos multicam seems to be the best though hell with all those damn dust storms you guys are having, just take some street clothes and leave them outside for a while-free natural camo  lol
my place was right in the middle of the second one, my bathing suit got left out and i still have sand on my ass |
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+1 for multicam, I've worn both the ACU and MCin the field and MC blends in the most in almost all environs.
Crye Precision originally priced themselves out of the army competition for a new combat uni. when it was competing with the ACU. it was almost twice the cost of the ACU's. here is an old ar15.com thread on this subject. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_10/256386_index.html/page=1 other articles http://forum.specialopspaintball.com/index.php?showtopic=130951 http://www.multicampattern.com/index.htm |
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OP, Multicam may be best for that area. I generally am not a huge fan of MC as I prefer Marpat Desert & Woodland stuff if possible. I can tell you that I worked in the desert out there in Nogi & Amado for a little bit and I wore coyote. Never had a problem sneaking up on people and there were times that people were within 15 to 20' of me and they didn't see me. If you're really concerned about being "seen", then just wear a damn ghillie. There's much more to concealment than just what magic colors you're wearing. Know what I mean?
Now, I am not flaming you or anything like that ('specially since I'm from AZ), but don't get too caught up in the whole "which works the best all the time" argument. As a sidenote, I once saw an Instructor (when I was going through Precision Rifle Operator school) that made a point that I never forgot about camoflauge. He was wearing blue jeans, an OD green t-shirt, a tan hat, and sneakers went into the brush. We went to our trucks, about a 100 yard walk back and forth, and when we got back he was "hiding". We tried to spot him from about 20 yards out and couldn't do it. He'd used natural vegitation to hide his presence from us and when he finally popped up, he was about 30 yards out or so. From that point on, I just go with whatever is closest to the specific area that I'm going to be spending the most time in and leave it at that. Best of luck and whatever you do, make sure to carry any kind of long gun and a few spare mags if you're going anywhere near the 'line' down South. 
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OP, Multicam may be best for that area. I generally am not a huge fan of MC as I prefer Marpat Desert & Woodland stuff if possible. I can tell you that I worked in the desert out there in Nogi & Amado for a little bit and I wore coyote. Never had a problem sneaking up on people and there were times that people were within 15 to 20' of me and they didn't see me. If you're really concerned about being "seen", then just wear a damn ghillie. There's much more to concealment than just what magic colors you're wearing. Know what I mean? Now, I am not flaming you or anything like that ('specially since I'm from AZ), but don't get too caught up in the whole "which works the best all the time" argument. As a sidenote, I once saw an Instructor (when I was going through Precision Rifle Operator school) that made a point that I never forgot about camoflauge. He was wearing blue jeans, an OD green t-shirt, a tan hat, and sneakers went into the brush. We went to our trucks, about a 100 yard walk back and forth, and when we got back he was "hiding". We tried to spot him from about 20 yards out and couldn't do it. He'd used natural vegitation to hide his presence from us and when he finally popped up, he was about 30 yards out or so. From that point on, I just go with whatever is closest to the specific area that I'm going to be spending the most time in and leave it at that. Best of luck and whatever you do, make sure to carry any kind of long gun and a few spare mags if you're going anywhere near the 'line' down South.
-SS Hmm. I do spend most of the time in the desert, not woodland area. Was just thinking that if I ever needed to go up north, coyote might not work too great, but given your example with the instructor, I think it would do just fine. thx for the helpful post |
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Some of that looks a lot like Hyde Definitions new patterns.
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Check this shit out: http://www.survival-nature.com/english/landcamo%20patterns.html http://www.survival-nature.com/english/landcamo%20extreme%20sniper%203d.html |
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OP, Multicam may be best for that area. I generally am not a huge fan of MC as I prefer Marpat Desert & Woodland stuff if possible. I can tell you that I worked in the desert out there in Nogi & Amado for a little bit and I wore coyote. Never had a problem sneaking up on people and there were times that people were within 15 to 20' of me and they didn't see me. If you're really concerned about being "seen", then just wear a damn ghillie. There's much more to concealment than just what magic colors you're wearing. Know what I mean? Now, I am not flaming you or anything like that ('specially since I'm from AZ), but don't get too caught up in the whole "which works the best all the time" argument. As a sidenote, I once saw an Instructor (when I was going through Precision Rifle Operator school) that made a point that I never forgot about camoflauge. He was wearing blue jeans, an OD green t-shirt, a tan hat, and sneakers went into the brush. We went to our trucks, about a 100 yard walk back and forth, and when we got back he was "hiding". We tried to spot him from about 20 yards out and couldn't do it. He'd used natural vegitation to hide his presence from us and when he finally popped up, he was about 30 yards out or so. From that point on, I just go with whatever is closest to the specific area that I'm going to be spending the most time in and leave it at that. Best of luck and whatever you do, make sure to carry any kind of long gun and a few spare mags if you're going anywhere near the 'line' down South.
-SS Hmm. I do spend most of the time in the desert, not woodland area. Was just thinking that if I ever needed to go up north, coyote might not work too great, but given your example with the instructor, I think it would do just fine. thx for the helpful post Also remember, the primary color of treek trunks, brush piles, and pine needles is brown, not green. If you are in the woods and down low to the ground or using brush piles etc for concealment, coyote wouldn't be a bad choice. That said, I would still go with multicam, or a mix of multicam and digi desert/coyote. |
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Auscam! For real! Doesn't look like anything special, but the stuff works pretty good. Way back in 93 I was deployed to Somalia. We got to mingle with the Aussie troops. They would disappear into the countrysidw when wearing Auscam. Its good stuff! |
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Check this shit out: http://www.survival-nature.com/english/landcamo%20patterns.html http://www.survival-nature.com/english/landcamo%20extreme%20sniper%203d.html interesting. I wonder if vests/molle pouches will start coming in those patterns. |
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Auscam! For real! Doesn't look like anything special, but the stuff works pretty good. Way back in 93 I was deployed to Somalia. We got to mingle with the Aussie troops. They would disappear into the countrysidw when wearing Auscam. Its good stuff! Works better then most in semi arid areas, I've always thought of it as the original multicam. First time I saw it in the field was during a JRTC rotation and the stuff even worked great at FT Polk. It worked awesome in Eastern Wa (Yakima) also. |
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Auscam! For real! Doesn't look like anything special, but the stuff works pretty good. Way back in 93 I was deployed to Somalia. We got to mingle with the Aussie troops. They would disappear into the countrysidw when wearing Auscam. Its good stuff! Works better then most in semi arid areas, I've always thought of it as the original multicam. First time I saw it in the field was during a JRTC rotation and the stuff even worked great at FT Polk. It worked awesome in Eastern Wa (Yakima) also. in doing "serious research" on multicam (wikipedia article and some blogs), ironically, multicam has been in use by the australian army since about '08 :D |
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I'm looking into ATACS fairly heavily. Living in AZ coyote works great until you get to the woods. I won an ATACS bag in a raffle so I'm gonna do some experimenting and see if I like it before going balls out with it. ATACS is exaclty like ACU, good for a single environment and that's about it. |
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Check this shit out: http://www.survival-nature.com/english/landcamo%20patterns.html http://www.survival-nature.com/english/landcamo%20extreme%20sniper%203d.html Nice !! |
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yeah, multicam looks like the best, especially from your pics. I heard somewhere it uses the brain's natural tendency to "fill in the blanks", and that causes it to adapt to it's surroundings better. like a science experiment I did in the 8th grade, hold a piece of paper with a plus sign on one half and a dot on the other half in front of your face, and stare at the dot. the plus sign dissapears. also, TKD sounds great for shooting guns out of your pant legs, ala bayonetta http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk316/StevenJaz/Bayonetta__Art_Contest_by_E_Mann.jpg?t=1311042065 Cameltoe action ftw!
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