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Posted: 4/9/2010 8:36:58 PM EDT
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I'm looking to get this rig. http://www.bdstacticalgear.com/pd-bds-tactical-simple-stacker-chest-rig.cfm 
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John Wills' ex-wife stole a bunch of his designs, set up BDS, and five years later they haven't figured how to make any of them correctly. I have two canteen covers I got from BDS (one a two-quart with the 40mm loops, the other a one-quart with the strobe pouch), and I wouldn't recommend BDS for anything more complex than that. Materials are lightweight and the stitching has issues.
I would research a LOT of other chest rigs first. ATS, HSGI, SOTech... Edited to add, looking at that one, the six-mag version looks like a knockoff of SOTech's Hellcat rig. I had one of those and loved it. The upper bib is also an SOTech option. How many mags are you trying to carry. |
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I never understood why people find crappy airsoft companies and ask about them when there are soooo many reputable gear makers out there. Just get one of the top brands and you won't have an issue. Tac tailor, eagle, skd, hsgi, sotech, osoe, ats... well gee buddy, perhaps it's because i don't know what the top brands are. 
seriously, i'm a babe in the woods. ETA: will check out SOTECH |
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John Wills' ex-wife stole a bunch of his designs, set up BDS, and five years later they haven't figured how to make any of them correctly. I have two canteen covers I got from BDS (one a two-quart with the 40mm loops, the other a one-quart with the strobe pouch), and I wouldn't recommend BDS for anything more complex than that. Materials are lightweight and the stitching has issues. I would research a LOT of other chest rigs first. ATS, HSGI, SOTech... Edited to add, looking at that one, the six-mag version looks like a knockoff of SOTech's Hellcat rig. I had one of those and loved it. The upper bib is also an SOTech option. How many mags are you trying to carry. 6, maybe 9 mags. i want to take a carbine course this summer. |
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I never understood why people find crappy airsoft companies and ask about them when there are soooo many reputable gear makers out there. Just get one of the top brands and you won't have an issue. Tac tailor, eagle, skd, hsgi, sotech, osoe, ats... well gee buddy, perhaps it's because i don't know what the top brands are.
seriously, i'm a babe in the woods. I didn't mean to offend, it was just something bugging me. The HSGI weesatch might work well for you. Check out SKDtac.com |
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well... I'm not the OP but not everybody can afford the top of the line. and some people do not go in harm's way all day long so a cheap serviceable rig can be just fine. You can get a good set up without spending too much. Like the skd/eagle universal chest rig. |
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well... I'm not the OP but not everybody can afford the top of the line. and some people do not go in harm's way all day long so a cheap serviceable rig can be just fine. You can get a good set up without spending too much. Like the skd/eagle universal chest rig. i saw that. multicam not in stock. 
i also want molle on the shoulder straps and a platform on the back for a hydration carrier. |
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I never understood why people find crappy airsoft companies and ask about them when there are soooo many reputable gear makers out there. Just get one of the top brands and you won't have an issue. Tac tailor, eagle, skd, hsgi, sotech, osoe, ats... well gee buddy, perhaps it's because i don't know what the top brands are.
seriously, i'm a babe in the woods. I didn't mean to offend, it was just something bugging me. The HSGI weesatch might work well for you. Check out SKDtac.com i like this! 
is it ok to run a carrier without plates? obviously it's not going to be as low profile as a chest rig. would it be as light without the plates? |
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http://www.skdtac.com/HSGI_Weesatch_Plate_Carrier_p/hsg.508.htm
The weesatch will run without plates and has a back for hydration resiviours I love mine. I have the side sap[i adapters also with estac utitli pouches on each side, a hsgi hydration carrier on back with a cameback omeag resiviour, amd the double mag pouch bungees that SKD provides. Great rig with or without plates. . |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I never understood why people find crappy airsoft companies and ask about them when there are soooo many reputable gear makers out there. Just get one of the top brands and you won't have an issue. Tac tailor, eagle, skd, hsgi, sotech, osoe, ats... well gee buddy, perhaps it's because i don't know what the top brands are. seriously, i'm a babe in the woods. I didn't mean to offend, it was just something bugging me. The HSGI weesatch might work well for you. Check out SKDtac.com i like this!http://www.skdtac.com/v/vspfiles/photos/HSG.508-2T.jpg is it ok to run a carrier without plates? obviously it's not going to be as low profile as a chest rig. would it be as light without the plates? Get the X-Backed Straps and run it like a Chest Rig... Woo A worn as a Chest Rig with the X-Backed Shoulder Straps.... No Plate. 1xMini Admin 3xTACO 1xQuad Pistol Mag 1xBleeder/Blowout     CXS |
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Get the X-Backed Straps and run it like a Chest Rig... Woo A worn as a Chest Rig with the X-Backed Shoulder Straps.... No Plate. 1xMini Admin 3xTACO 1xQuad Pistol Mag 1xBleeder/Blowout CXS i need to be able to have a hydration carrier. the weesatch seems ideal though. i'm a small framed guy. |
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What's the hive mind say? I'm looking to get this rig. http://www.bdstacticalgear.com/pd-bds-tactical-simple-stacker-chest-rig.cfm http://www.bdstacticalgear.com/prod_images_large/9AC9864A-BA87-B65B-A4D5C580BB6A0B08.jpg I ran this vest while operating in Afghanistan, it worked well for me. A few other Marines in my platoon also bought this rig and loved it. The only thing that can be a pain in the as too use is the zippered pounch running across the whole thing, depending on how much stuff you have on it. As for "airsoft" quality if it stood up 7 months in Afghanistan i am sure its at least decent. Pic of it half-set up after a day of shooting at the range, then in use while in afghan. http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/joshuajjackson/rig.jpg http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/joshuajjackson/Afghan/Afghanistan045.jpg http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/joshuajjackson/Afghan/merooftop.jpg |
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i'm looking at highspeed gear's site. as a matter of fact, i was just looking at the shoulder pads! i think we have a winner! Concur. Ran one in Iraq/'stan when we could run carriers (as opposed to full armor)...no complaints. yeah, my brother ran a blackhawk carrier in iraq. he said it was ok. one thing is for sure, i wouldn't even consider one. blackhawk used to be the bee's knees back in the day. (along with blackwater gear) no so much anymore. and these were the only manufacturers i really knew of. i'm glad i started this thread. i found some good manufacturers. |
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Take a look at the BravoCompany USA.. They have a nice rig that has a Hydration system that may work well for you.. You will find what works and is required in the field for the .Mil may not be such a hot set up for you.... Take a look at a nice 4- 6 mag chest rig and perhaps either an integral Hydration carrier on the back or run one independent of a chest rig.
Rigs with more cordura coverage are nice to spread there weight over Body armor, but can be pretty hot if your not running armor. figure out what your needs are and what you want the rig to do first... Eagle makes a nice chest rig.. Tactical tailor... Don't over load yourself... like a lot of folks do in the beginning... My opinion on that BDS rig... overkill for what you most likely want... |
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Take a look at the BravoCompany USA.. They have a nice rig that has a Hydration system that may work well for you.. You will find what works and is required in the field for the .Mil may not be such a hot set up for you.... Take a look at a nice 4- 6 mag chest rig and perhaps either an integral Hydration carrier on the back or run one independent of a chest rig. Rigs with more cordura coverage are nice to spread there weight over Body armor, but can be pretty hot if your not running armor. figure out what your needs are and what you want the rig to do first... Eagle makes a nice chest rig.. Tactical tailor... Don't over load yourself... like a lot of folks do in the beginning... My opinion on that BDS rig... overkill for what you most likely want... Harv, B Co was the 1st place I checked. (Paul's local so he's usually the 1st place I check when I need something.) Multicam is out of stock.
What I need in a rig... Well after lurking around LF and MM for a while I figured out that I wanted to be able to carry 6 or more mags without having to buy extra pouches. I need to be able to run a hydration system. I need something that will have an attachment point for an ALS holster and pistol mag pouches. I want to have the option of attachments on the shoulder straps and a fold under bib if I need the extra real estate. I've thought about it for a while. If the BDS rig isn't quality, I'm not interested. The thought occurred to me that the HSGI rig would be hot. I've decided that the versatility out weighs that. (Though this course is in August so I may be putting my foot deep into my mouth.) Any more input would be appreciated. 
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I've run multiple week-long classes with a HSGI Wasach. I would NOT run it without plates. I'm 6'4" and could not get it cinched up enough so the plates properly covered my upper chest (heart). The rig would sag and with some movement, the front would shift down. They MAY have fixed this issue with more recent iterations but I think shifting is a problem whenever you're dealing with plate carriers. HSGI makes solid kit but I sold mine and now run a OSOE Micro Rig (4 mags + Med Kit + Misc storage). The Micro rig can be set up with an "H Harness" and you can add a hydration carrier or just wear a camelback over your web gear.
If you're determined to go with more mags, you could get the ORIGINAL S.O.E. - MOOKIE WAR LITE PALS - 8 MAG and add the H harness and hydration carrier. OSOE = John Willis - the guy whose ex-wife started BDS tactical. OSOE = good. BDS = BAD. 
I used to carry a lot of mags in my Wasach. After reevaluating my needs (aka not serving in Iraq / Afghanistan), I decided the micro rig was the way to go. I can always wear my armor w/ plates underneath it. Hope this helps, Mike |
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B Co was the 1st place I checked. (Paul's local so he's usually the 1st place I check when I need something.) Multicam is out of stock. What I need in a rig... Well after lurking around LF and MM for a while I figured out that I wanted to be able to carry 6 or more mags without having to buy extra pouches. I need to be able to run a hydration system. I need something that will have an attachment point for an ALS holster and pistol mag pouches. I want to have the option of attachments on the shoulder straps and a fold under bib if I need the extra real estate. I've thought about it for a while. If the BDS rig isn't quality, I'm not interested. The thought occurred to me that the HSGI rig would be hot. I've decided that the versatility out weighs that. (Though this course is in August so I may be putting my foot deep into my mouth.) Any more input would be appreciated. Have you thought about a belt rig?? I see a lot of folks who suit up in a class and the overload themselves pretty fast with a lot of gear there not use to hauling for long periods of time. I like a belt option and then add a simple chest rig. Then I can also run a separate Hydro rig which I can take off independently from the rest of what I'm wearing to refil it. 
This is what I run.. I can feed both Carbine and pistol with either 60 additional rifle rds or 34 pistol rds plus what's in them 90 rifle /51 pistol. More then enough to run several drills. Now add a nice simple chest rig with an additional 4-5 mags (120-150 rds) that you can back fill into the two open top Kydex type mag pouches and you can stay on the line for all the drills. (Empties and or partials start getting dropped in the dump pouch) Chest rigs were not designed for speed, but for load carrying. You will want one or two open top rigs that can be accessed quickly. This set up is very modular and gives a lot of freedom of movement. With a belt rig, you can also place you pistol in a good location close to a location that one might CCW from.There are plenty of holster options also that don't require a leg strap ( I like them, but then I practice with them a lot). If I'm going to run a larger rig, then I want Plates in them, or else they have little to no value to me other then there hot, heavy and restrict movement. Just my $.02 based on my experience. Something to think about. |
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http://www.skdtac.com/Esstac_Chest_Rig_LBB_Load_Bearing_Boar_p/ess.520.htm
This looks good, expensive though, and no multicam in stock. |
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i wasn't aware of the shifting/sagging issue witht he weesatch.
i'm 5'11" 160lbs and i've got a pretty slim build. i like this... Mookie lite 4 mags w/ molle attachments. but after upgrading the shoulder straps to install a hydration carrier i'm looking at spending around $250- $300. |
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Polymorpheous Have you thought about a belt rig?? I see a lot of folks who suit up in a class and the overload themselves pretty fast with a lot of gear there not use to hauling for long periods of time. I like a belt option and then add a simple chest rig. Then I can also run a separate Hydro rig which I can take off independently from the rest of what I'm wearing to refil it. This is what I run.. I can feed both Carbine and pistol with either 60 additional rifle rds or 34 pistol rds plus what's in them 90 rifle /51 pistol. More then enough to run several drills. Now add a nice simple chest rig with an additional 4-5 mags (120-150 rds) that you can back fill into the two open top Kydex type mag pouches and you can stay on the line for all the drills. (Empties and or partials start getting dropped in the dump pouch) Chest rigs were not designed for speed, but for load carrying. You will want one or two open top rigs that can be accessed quickly. This set up is very modular and gives a lot of freedom of movement. With a belt rig, you can also place you pistol in a good location close to a location that one might CCW from.There are plenty of holster options also that don't require a leg strap ( I like them, but then I practice with them a lot). If I'm going to run a larger rig, then I want Plates in them, or else they have little to no value to me other then there hot, heavy and restrict movement. Just my $.02 based on my experience. Something to think about. I've got 2 pistol belt I can use for something like this. I've toyed with the idea of a dump pouch similar to what you've got and my holster if I couldn't find a comfortable spot on the chest rig. |
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http://www.skdtac.com/Esstac_Chest_Rig_LBB_Load_Bearing_Boar_p/ess.520.htm This looks good, expensive though, and no multicam in stock. I saw the BOAR, and I like it. Too bad about the out of stock issue.
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Again, for me.. that Mookie rig is way overpriced.. I picked up a Blackwater 5 pouch chest rig on clearance for $25 shipped a year or two ago.. you have to balance what you want. For training classes, you can't do better the Eagle /Paul Howe chest rig for price and quality.. Tactical tailor is another one that has a good price point vs quality. You looking for a load carriage system that can handle some good field use without costing you a fortune. And your going to change things up several times s you find what works for you...
And here's a little secret... ALL gear is overpriced..... and does not hold it's value.. I never once bought a piece of gear new.. Always used off of one of several different exchange on the different boards I frequent. Cause another secret... MOST folks hardly use there gear.. so when they sell it.. it's usually like new.. so you can buy different rigs and try them... don't like them.. resell them and buy something else... don't fall in love with gear...
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For hydration, I've always run a basic camelback over my rig - then put my sling on. Lately though for classes, I just have a gallon jug w/ water and a nalgene with vitalyte / gatoraid that I drink from back behind the line with my ammo.
I have a belt rig setup but never use it. Belt rigs are popular but in the zombie apocalypse I envision, I'll gear up while wearing an IWB CCW which makes having an OWB retention holster and a bat belt with gear on it a no-go for me.
...But that's just my concept of my zombie apocalypse 
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Harv is generally right when it comes to buying used gear. Buy quality used gear and you'll save money and still have quality kit.
GTG manufactures (in MY mind at least) are: OSOE - Original Special Operations Gear Eagle HSGI Tactical Tailor I'm sure there are others I've forgotten. I don't dig Blackhawk! products for the typical reasons and only have a Blackhawk! belt among my gear. I've found Blackwater Gear to be very low quality. -shrug- |
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Harv is generally right when it comes to buying used gear. Buy quality used gear and you'll save money and still have quality kit. GTG manufactures (in MY mind at least) are: OSOE - Original Special Operations Gear Eagle HSGI Tactical Tailor I'm sure there are others I've forgotten. I don't dig Blackhawk! products for the typical reasons and only have a Blackhawk! belt among my gear. same here I've found Blackwater Gear to be very low quality. -shrug- i think they stopped making gear a while ago ATS gear is supposed to be good stuff. SKD carries them |
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Again, for me.. that Mookie rig is way overpriced.. I picked up a Blackwater 5 pouch chest rig on clearance for $25 shipped a year or two ago.. you have to balance what you want. For training classes, you can't do better the Eagle /Paul Howe chest rig for price and quality.. Tactical tailor is another one that has a good price point vs quality. You looking for a load carriage system that can handle some good field use without costing you a fortune. And your going to change things up several times s you find what works for you... And here's a little secret... ALL gear is overpriced..... and does not hold it's value.. I never once bought a piece of gear new.. Always used off of one of several different exchange on the different boards I frequent. Cause another secret... MOST folks hardly use there gear.. so when they sell it.. it's usually like new.. so you can buy different rigs and try them... don't like them.. resell them and buy something else... don't fall in love with gear... this sounds like a good idea. i only frequent 3 boards and i can't use the exchange on one of them yet. ETA: just found the Eagle Paul Howe rig in multicam with an ATS H harness for $50 on the EE! Thanks for the tip Harv!
Now i just need a hydration carrier! Thanks for all of your help fellas! 
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i wasn't aware of the shifting/sagging issue witht he weesatch. i'm 5'11" 160lbs and i've got a pretty slim build. i like this... Mookie lite 4 mags w/ molle attachments. but after upgrading the shoulder straps to install a hydration carrier i'm looking at spending around $250- $300. The weesatch won't sag forward if you have a 3L hydration pouch on the back to balance it out. |
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The Blackwater (aka, Uncle Mike) was in impulse buy as Botach was selling them for $19.95 a year or so ago. (Yeah, I know Botach... Life is a gamble).
Not bad for what it is. Look for Used CamelBak carriers and then pick up a new Bladder... I picked up a Used (More like Brand new by it's condition) Eagle Plate carrier a few years ago just to see if I liked it... tried it... did not like it and sold it a week later for exactly what I paid..... good deal for me... Let the guys who have the disposable income and can by a SCAR and a ACR buy your gear new, then sell it to you for what it's worth....
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Plate carriers do not work without plates, skip the wee/wa satch. I have gone to classes with two spare mags on my belt and extras in a dump pouch. Spectre gear has a simple chest rig. The skd/eagle is okay. Think about what you will use. I'm not a 23 year old Marine in Iraq. A couple of rifle mags on my belt disappear under a parka or large windbreaker. |
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Plate carriers do not work without plates, skip the wee/wa satch. I have gone to classes with two spare mags on my belt and extras in a dump pouch. Spectre gear has a simple chest rig. The skd/eagle is okay. Think about what you will use. I'm not a 23 year old Marine in Iraq. A couple of rifle mags on my belt disappear under a parka or large windbreaker. decided against the weesatch. i got a SKD/eagle ATS h-harness rig off of EE for $50. |
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Quoted: Plate carriers do not work without plates, skip the wee/wa satch. I have gone to classes with two spare mags on my belt and extras in a dump pouch. Spectre gear has a simple chest rig. The skd/eagle is okay. Think about what you will use. I'm not a 23 year old Marine in Iraq. A couple of rifle mags on my belt disappear under a parka or large windbreaker. The SATCH series can be worn like a Chest rig if you use the X Backed straps. But alot of new Geardos buy large ass rigs, and soon figure out there is no need for more than 4 Rifle Mags in a Class Scenario.. 65% of us are probably guilty of that. CXS |
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Plate carriers do not work without plates, skip the wee/wa satch. I have gone to classes with two spare mags on my belt and extras in a dump pouch. Spectre gear has a simple chest rig. The skd/eagle is okay. Think about what you will use. I'm not a 23 year old Marine in Iraq. A couple of rifle mags on my belt disappear under a parka or large windbreaker. Some plate carriers come with built in ballistic protection. But I agree when I see many peoples' gear set ups, they carry as much, if not more than my Marines carry in the field. |
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BDS gear is sold in the PX on Marine Corps bases. What Marine bases? None of the ones I've been to had it. Camp Lejeune PX carries BDS, Spec Ops, and a bunch of Chinese shit.... CXS Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile MCB Hawaii clothing store carries, Spec ops, Blackhawk, and BDS i think some other random stuff from time to time. I've seen BDS at the main PX at 29 Palms as well. |
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BDS gear is sold in the PX on Marine Corps bases. What Marine bases? None of the ones I've been to had it. Camp Lejeune PX carries BDS, Spec Ops, and a bunch of Chinese shit.... CXS Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Wow. Last time I was in there they had Spectre, Blackchicken, and Spec-ops but no BDS. Now that I think about it though, I guess that's been a few months. |
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BDS gear is sold in the PX on Marine Corps bases. What Marine bases? None of the ones I've been to had it. Camp Lejeune PX carries BDS, Spec Ops, and a bunch of Chinese shit.... CXS Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile MCB Hawaii clothing store carries, Spec ops, Blackhawk, and BDS i think some other random stuff from time to time. I've seen BDS at the main PX at 29 Palms as well. Thats the PX I was talking about :D |
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