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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - TAD Gear....My View (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 1/8/2010 7:13:04 PM EDT
Well, I just had to see what all the Hype was, so a opportunity came along to buy a piece of TAD gear. It was a Hardshell Raptor in ME green. It was used, but like Brand new.. got it for $218 shipped plus paypal.........well......... Just as I thought.... a Fuckin $200 Rain jacket..... You guys are fuckin nuts.....
It was a Made in China Rain Jacket with a hood and a bunch of zippered pockets.... If I had used this back in my .Mil days in the MOS I worked in... I would have tore this thing up in less then a year.... In my estimation, there is just no way it is worth the Price they are selling this new. And it's not even made in the U.S. I have seen a lot of kool-aid being drunk, but this stuff is the Mother of all Kool-Aid... The only thing it's got going for it, and was the one thing I was banking on, is that it holds it's resale value so if I decided it was not for me, I could get my money back... and I did. It's getting shipped out to morrow to it's new owner...... And now all the TAD Owners can proceed to defend there High priced made in China clothing made by the best marketing/PR company to come down the pike in quite awhile.... Ow, and I got a nice Waterproof Hardshell from Eddie Bauer that I like very much and it cost a whole whopping $79 on sale over the Holidays....and it looks great, nice shade of green I wanted with a nice adjustable Hood that is removable. And looking at the construction... it's more then likely ran off the same production line..... 
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I only have dealings with their USA made gear. I won't buy anything from them made in a foreign country. The USA gear I have has been great, aside from the product I used to re water proof it.
They swear by their asian made stuff, but I keep hearing things like this. USA made TAD FTW. |
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TAD Gear, Inc. is recognized as a strong local business entity which supports our local community. The California Bay Area was one of the original epicenters for technical outdoor apparel and equipment innovations and manufacturing. We use this very same network for many of our products and are proud to know that we create many jobs in our community. Design and quality are our primary objectives in any product we bring to market. We acknowledge the global market place and are fortunate to have earned customers all over the world. Many of today's technical advancements in outdoor products are being developed in the USA and abroad, but many of the new fabrication and construction techniques are only available outside of our borders. TAD Gear, Inc.'s philosophy is to first pursue all avenues of production locally, however when certain production capacities are only available elsewhere, we will use the best entity for the job. We will deliver only the best products to our customers. During the last administration from 2001 to 2009, over 2 million production jobs were allowed to move off shore, affecting our local infrastructure. TAD Gear Inc. is committed to our local work force and business communities in California, and partner with the best organizations domestically and internationally to produce an uncompromising product line for our discriminating customers. from the horses mouth. |
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TAD gear is nice stuff, I have bought a few jackets from them and I really like the way they look. Problem is, it is overpriced for what you get. I know all the fan boys are going to disagree and say "TAD gear FTW" etc. , but that is my opinion. There are other manufacturers that make just as durable, if not more durable of coats and jackets for less money. Also my credit card info being stolen from their lack of security on their web page is still causing me issues, so that sort of soured me to them. I also had issues with customer service their responding to emails and later sending me a replacement item on a return due to a manufacturing defect.
It seems like it has become the new tacticool accessory for all the internet commandos to look cool at the range or gun show. I swear some people worship their stuff like liberals worship Obama. |
| I refuse to buy anything else from them because they stored my credit card information in a non-encrypted format and it was stolen. It essentially got my account that I use to pay for bills emptied in less than 3 hours while I was sleeping and caused so much frustration, all I got from TAD was an e-mail, after I replied I never got an answer to any of my questions. If they don't care about my money and time to clean up the mess and wait for the whole investigation to be complete so I could get my money back I could care less how great their overpriced stuff is. |
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I refuse to buy anything else from them because they stored my credit card information in a non-encrypted format and it was stolen. It essentially got my account that I use to pay for bills emptied in less than 3 hours while I was sleeping and caused so much frustration, all I got from TAD was an e-mail, after I replied I never got an answer to any of my questions. If they don't care about my money and time to clean up the mess and wait for the whole investigation to be complete so I could get my money back I could care less how great their overpriced stuff is. Yeah, I hear ya there too. I am still trying to get all my bills squared away due to their horrible lack of security, and as you said, my emails and phone calls have yet to be returned by them on my inquiries. So many die hard fan boys around, I doubt they care to lose me or you as customers anyways. 
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I refuse to buy anything else from them because they stored my credit card information in a non-encrypted format and it was stolen. It essentially got my account that I use to pay for bills emptied in less than 3 hours while I was sleeping and caused so much frustration, all I got from TAD was an e-mail, after I replied I never got an answer to any of my questions. If they don't care about my money and time to clean up the mess and wait for the whole investigation to be complete so I could get my money back I could care less how great their overpriced stuff is. Yeah, I hear ya there too. I am still trying to get all my bills squared away due to their horrible lack of security, and as you said, my emails and phone calls have yet to be returned by them on my inquiries. So many die hard fan boys around, I doubt they care to lose me or you as customers anyways. If you contact them via facebook, your question will be answered within hours. Usually. They still need to learn to reply to stanard emails though. |
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Small custom batches... Pricing is in line with the high end techincal clothing manufacturers...Noone twists anyones arm to buy it... What a load that is... and ya know what... Those other $400 Hardshells are overpriced as well, Just goes to show you, there's always folks out there with more money then sense... If this jacket were in the $100-150 range (which leaves a very nice room for profit margin) they would be something worth looking at. but the prices, combined with where it's made= huge rip off in my book. And just how does one quantify that there worth it?? Please feel free to share.. You know, Like you wore one to the Summit of Everest and it came back with out a scratch, or you wore one in an Armored vehicle for a year and have pics to show how well it held up?? Otherwise, trips to the local range and to Winn Dixie or across campus on a 45F degree so you could be late and flunk out of Economics 101 (which you obviously must be if your buying this stuff... ) really does nothing to quantify how the material or the "Small batch" construction justifies the price....
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Small custom batches... Pricing is in line with the high end techincal clothing manufacturers...Noone twists anyones arm to buy it... What a load that is... and ya know what... Those other $400 Hardshells are overpriced as well, Just goes to show you, there's always folks out there with more money then sense... If this jacket were in the $100-150 range (which leaves a very nice room for profit margin) they would be something worth looking at. but the prices, combined with where it's made= huge rip off in my book. And just how does one quantify that there worth it?? Please feel free to share.. You know, Like you wore one to the Summit of Everest and it came back with out a scratch, or you wore one in an Armored vehicle for a year and have pics to show how well it held up?? Otherwise, trips to the local range and to Winn Dixie or across campus on a 45F degree so you could be late and flunk out of Economics 101 (which you obviously must be if your buying this stuff... ) really does nothing to quantify how the material or the "Small batch" construction justifies the price....and you're an expert/authority because??? please enlighten us on how your opinion merits any strength other than a momentary personal observation.... please expound... |
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and you're an expert/authority because???
please enlighten us on how your opinion merits any strength other than a momentary personal observation.... please expound... I figure having over two decades of working for Uncle Sam and being in various environments from Deserts to winter Forests in Temps from 120F to -10 and having to work in those environments and wearing out clothing thru actual hard field use has given me a "tad" bit of what's good and what's not...
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Cabrito and you're an expert/authority because???
please enlighten us on how your opinion merits any strength other than a momentary personal observation.... please expound... I figure having over two decades of working for Uncle Sam and being in various environments from Deserts to winter Forests in Temps from 120F to -10 and having to work in those environments and wearing out clothing thru actual hard field use has given me a "tad" bit of what's good and what's not...
And yourself?? thanks. while i certainly don't have the wealth of your years Harv, i do have 2 very close buddies in A-stan who swear by TAD Gear as well as gear such as Tactical Tailor and HSGI. they are also top tier AR snobs. maybe they are gear snobs, maybe not. but they are in action down range. i find them to be credible when it comes to their needs. i'm certain they are not your typical label whores nor are they wearing the gear for the chicks. i myself spend a lot of time in the mountains and am more than an avid hiker and camper. i choose the gear based upon my own rationale. again i'm sure the brown bears and elk could care less. while i do respect your opinion and would like to apologize for our last jesting joust last time we debated the merits of TAD it would seem as though the tone of your posts really displays a cynicism against TADs lack of general afforability. you seem to obsess and fixate about TAD to a certain degree that could be unhealthy for your blood pressure
i have a thread in the class III forum asking about the merits of a 10.5 LMT upper vs. an 11.5 BCM upper, seriously i would love to get your technical opinion on that issue... 
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I like good quality gear as much as the next guy, but I never bought into the $100 pants of $350 jackets. Clothing are expendable items and if you use them in a hard environment, your going to wear ,rip, and tear the material. It's going to get hung up on Vehicle interiors, gear is going to rub against it and unless you strip off some layers, your going to sweat while humping a $70 pound pack, it's just that simple...My opinions based on my experience and that's why I started my own thread so I would not "poo" in some one elses TAD love feast thread.
And keep in mind, most troops who buy this stuff are the same ones who buy $4oo Strider knives... and there usually single with no family...
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... and there usually single with no family... good point. i use my gear trust me. i went with the buy once cry once rationale, after shredding other "quality" gear. in my experience TAD has served my needs well, with the caveat that i have never had to dive to the ground because i was gettin shot at. i will admit though i own expensive ARs and play the class III game but only really punch paper. i need to run bioth my TAD and NOVESKE in a class or two... |
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What a load that is... and ya know what... Those other $400 Hardshells are overpriced as well, Just goes to show you, there's always folks out there with more money then sense... If this jacket were in the $100-150 range (which leaves a very nice room for profit margin) they would be something worth looking at. but the prices, combined with where it's made= huge rip off in my book.
And just how does one quantify that there worth it?? Please feel free to share.. You know, Like you wore one to the Summit of Everest and it came back with out a scratch, or you wore one in an Armored vehicle for a year and have pics to show how well it held up?? Otherwise, trips to the local range and to Winn Dixie or across campus on a 45F degree so you could be late and flunk out of Economics 101 (which you obviously must be if your buying this stuff...) really does nothing to quantify how the material or the "Small batch" construction justifies the price.... +100 I will say it is nice gear, but waaaaaay over priced for what you get. I have had TAD gear in the past and have used it in Iraq and Afghanistan. While it might be good, it sure as hell isn't that great. It will hold up like anything else under stress. It will break, tear etc. No GI with common sense is going to spend $400 out of their own pocket on a hoodie or jacket that they know will get fucked up while at war. If they do, they are usually REMF's that never leave the wire. But again, I have seen E-1's buy 30K cars and can't afford the gas to drive them. If you are in a career field that needs gear, trust me it will flow like a river for free. TAD seems to have more of a cult following than anything else. Look at the picture threads floating around like "let me see your TAD gear". 99% of it looks like it never left the house. It's probably safe to say that it hasn't. Not to slam anyone here, but there are alot of "chairborn rangers " here that just have to have the latest and greatest. Thats fine, but don't be so quick to slam folks when asking opinions. There are some vet's here that actually have to battle tested this shit. Wearing to the range or some fly by night carbine class doesn't really hold water. IMO of course. 
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The Maj hit it. Anyone who has spent time in the suck, as a workhorse, will tell you that spending that much on a shell or whatever is ludacris. That shit will get straight up  out there, then your ass is out a couple hundred bucks. More money then sense
ETA: I'll garauntee that the issued Goretex parka/trousers do a much better job that this TAD stuff. Oh and its issued, not payed for out of pocket. |
| +1 for the above comment. Another thing, soft shells are shit. They do not stop wind that well, some better than others, and what the hell do I need a water resistant top for when almost all other jackets are water proof? Do they look good? Yes! Do they wear good? yes! THATS IT! I actually have enjoyed the rush on soft shells because now i get my regular good functioning gear cheaper. |
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+1 for the above comment. Another thing, soft shells are shit. They do not stop wind that well, some better than others, and what the hell do I need a water resistant top for when almost all other jackets are water proof? Do they look good? Yes! Do they wear good? yes! THATS IT! I actually have enjoyed the rush on soft shells because now i get my regular good functioning gear cheaper. OK, maybe we need to define context. TAD is definitely high end gear. A large majority of high end gear is usually based off of name recognition with "high quality" as secondary to that. TAD started out as gear for the outdoor, expeditionary, and mountaineering class in mind. Soon it began to see a following with LEO and MIL segments and thusly made its way into the gun realm. As for the best gear for military applications certainly not. My two buddies are doing private security work over there. As for the protections from the elements and very cold temperatures it is what they go to. They mostly are on guard duty and from what I hear from them its important but generally mundane duty. They are not engaging in firefights in the mountainous regions of A-stan. I don't think anyone is really claiming it is THE BEST for military applications although the fact that some LEO and MIL enjoy TAD definitely validates the quality for many of us who have never entered these professions. (Aside from obvious BS, I seriously consider gun and gear advice from anyone who actually operates or has operated. It becomes all part of the experiential knowledge that ARFCOM and Forums in general have to offer. Some is TONS better then others.) In general whether high end or not, the outdoor, rock climbing, repelling, camping, moutaineering and even firearm cultures are GEAR driven. Is there much difference between Columbia, Northface, Arc'teryx, TAD? The same differences of the LMT, NOVESKE, COLT debate.... TAD has concepts and design cues that I find aesthetic. It is also quality gear that functions as it is supposed to. It is understated, no logos, embroidered branding, in fact you can choose your own logo-ing and branding. It works when I hike, repel, camp etc.... I'm not poor, I'm not rich. As a male in a consumerist democracy I have been conditioned to want gear. I want a SONY flat screen vs. the Vizio. But, I'm not stupid either. I don't blindly follow name recognition. I have a vaid rationale why I spend $$$ on some seemingly arbitrary things. But we all do because we are American men. I can't lie, chicks (my wife) find my TAD gear to be pleasing on the eye. Just like my SBR is pleasing to shoot. and my beautiful daughter fun to raise....
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+1 for the above comment. Another thing, soft shells are shit. They do not stop wind that well, some better than others, and what the hell do I need a water resistant top for when almost all other jackets are water proof? Do they look good? Yes! Do they wear good? yes! THATS IT! I actually have enjoyed the rush on soft shells because now i get my regular good functioning gear cheaper. Well, to each his own. I have an excessive amount of jackets & outdoor stuff in general. The majority of it is REI & North Face, and only in the last few months have I picked up TAD equipment. I've found that the TAD jackets to be the most well-made & most functional. And, when you compare the prices of TAD to shopping at say, REI, there isn't that much of a difference. For example, my wife's denali fleece from North Face was $170 at the time, and my TAD Ranger hoodie was $200. My wife's denali isn't very windproof, and there is no hood. I've worn my ranger hoodie with only a tshirt underneath to go deer hunting in ~30 degree weather, and it has an ***load of pockets. Or look at the stealth hoodie - if you compare it to other softshells at REI, IIRC it's actually cheaper than what they stock, and they are ALL made in china. Oh and as far as softshells go: I have a north face goretex jacket that I'm pretty sure would resist a firehose. But, I never take it anywhere, except to wear while waiting for the train to go to work. Why? It turns into a sauna in minutes if I'm moving. Traps too much moisture inside, and that's with all the vents open. I've relied on softshells for years when outdoors, and I've found them to be the best balance of breathability & water resistance. BTW, this north face jacket was $450 new, but I purchased it for $80 due to a going out of business sale. TAD's hardshells max out around $350, I believe. This is a bit long winded, but if you are going to buy high-end outdoor gear, their prices are not out of line. Plus, buying from them gives you the chance of buying USA made. Almost everything at REI is made in china. Is tad too much for show-off stuff? Why yes, of course, but so is most high-end gear. As far as durability, I've worn their jackets repeatedly while hunting, and they still look brand new. |
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Yet again, no one has been able to quantify why it's High end. I looked at it's construction pretty close. I compared it to a Gen 1 ECWS and I'm not seeing a great difference in the tape seams. the quality of the stitching, the type of Zippers used and how they hold up. The Material and how it breathes. My first Issued Goretex Jacket was with me in the field for well over a decade... That bad boy got rolled up and stuffed in the sponson of a M1 MBT so I could pull it out when I needed it. It had Turbo Shaft oil and grease or CLP on it. It was constantly getting snagged, tugged and pulled around the inside of the turret and the constant coming and going there the Commanders hatch. It was worn in Sun or rain, it bitter cold, high wind and kept me warm and dry compared to the old M65 Field jackets. It faded over time and I retreated it and it always maintained it's waterproof rating.
This Raptor would have never survived that.Material was way to thin. And as for buying a $1oo plus fleece, where the hell do you guys shop. I got a brand new 300 Polartec Fleece jacket on sale (at Gander Mtn of all places) for $35 dollars. It's the same material with out the North Face Denali marketing...All that money for ground up plastic bags made from low linear density Polyethylene ground up and blown in a plant in the PRC from a country that builds several different models off the same assembly line, yet most Americans have no clue because they don't understand how this business model works. (Talk to folks who have actually been to China and have seen there production faculties first hand.. eye opener) Why do you think TAD started to shift manufacturing over there??? Because certain manufacturing processes use chemicals and processes that are now illegal here due to environmental and health concerns.. yet places like Mexico and China have no issues with the uses of chemicals like Toluene and MIBK and MEK, because there still cheap and plentiful to use and help lower production costs. When you have1.3 Billion Chinese to recruit for you factories, a little think like harsh chemicals and toxic work conditions don't stop you....
I'm here to tell you.. clothes are a rip off that has huge profit margin... Back in the day guys were buying 511 pants for $50... You can now get them on sale at places like LA police gear for $17.99.... Yet guys will buy $100 Crye pants..... What a hoot...The folks who grew up in the depression would be laughing at what folks will pay for clothes.... A wear item that no matter who makes them or what there made from, will eventually wear, rip, tear and need replacing. I tried TAD in good faith so I could unbiasedly see if they were worth all the hype...I have determined they are not. I realize other folks will draw a different conclusion. But then again, there are folks who will spend $2500 on a custom 1911 pistol because there made by a rock star... and I have found that there is another market that I cannot see or get...
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Yet again, no one has been able to quantify why it's High end. <snip> geez Harv, you want to apply a research methodology to test which jacket, built with what materiel, worn by a certain size male, under certain conditions observed the first thread fray or pilling of the fleece??? find some funding and i can refer you to some Ph.D. students. Quoted:
I'm here to tell you.. clothes are a rip off that has huge profit margin... <snip> ummm. duh.
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TAD Gear = Overpriced and somewhat of a fad for range commandos. It's like women and Prada/Gucci handbags or etc... Except that a comparable hardshell jacket from Outdoor Research, Arcteryx, North Face or any other gear MFG are gonna be as much or more. To HARV if you had taken half a second to look up the Raptor on the tad gear website you would see that it is marketed as a lightweight hardshell jacket(light version of Predator jacket). So it stands to reason that it would be lighter weight than USGI Goretex. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Small custom batches... Pricing is in line with the high end techincal clothing manufacturers...Noone twists anyones arm to buy it... If this jacket were in the $100-150 range (which leaves a very nice room for profit margin) they would be something worth looking at. but the prices, combined with where it's made= huge rip off in my book. care to tell me TAD's cost on these items? i'm curious as you must know when referring to their profit margin. this argument is tired; those who want to buy the clothes will continue to do so regardless of what you say. those who think it is too expensive will continue to complain about the price vs. features, construction, etc. |
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I own a TAD hoodie and softshell, I think they are great. I've had a lot of North Face, Spyder, Columbia, ArcTeryx etc etc... and the TAD stuff I own is my favorite.
Quality: yes Functional: yes Expensive: yes Do you were clothes out quickly in active combat? yes Answer: don't buy any brand of expensive clothing in 24/7/365 harsh environments, use your issue stuff! 
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I own a couple of TAD explorer jackets, they and quite a few of other companies do charge allot for what you get. They are wind breakers that aren't warm at all, and because of the jackets athletic cut are not well suited for layering. The reason I own two vice one of their jackets was when I bought the first one, I liked the designed but I found it a bit too tight to wear warming layers under it, so I went one size up. The one size up, makes the sleeves a bit long. Which has cause wear spots on the sleeves from where they hang over the Velcro fasteners.
The other day at the local Target they had jackets that were the same style, made of similar material but without the Velcro on the sleeves for 35 dollars. I don't know if the Velcro is worth 175 dollars that a judgment call. If you are one who wears patches on your sleeve than maybe? I don't personally but to each their own. I would agree with the few assessments that they are more fashion items than functional field items. But someone has to be that guy who shows up at the range, with all the cool toys and tactical gear on and shoots from the bench. |
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I own a couple of TAD explorer jackets, they and quite a few of other companies do charge allot for what you get. They are wind breakers that aren't warm at all, and because of the jackets athletic cut are not well suited for layering. The reason I own two vice one of their jackets was when I bought the first one, I liked the designed but I found it a bit too tight to wear warming layers under it, so I went one size up. The one size up, makes the sleeves a bit long. Which has cause wear spots on the sleeves from where they hang over the Velcro fasteners. The other day at the local Target they had jackets that were the same style, made of similar material but without the Velcro on the sleeves for 35 dollars. I don't know if the Velcro is worth 175 dollars that a judgment call. If you are one who wears patches on your sleeve than maybe? I don't personally but to each their own. I would agree with the few assessments that they are more fashion items than functional field items. But someone has to be that guy who shows up at the range, with all the cool toys and tactical gear on and shoots from the bench.[/quote] BINGO! |
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The other day at the local Target they had jackets that were the same style, made of similar material but without the Velcro on the sleeves for 35 dollars. I don't know if the Velcro is worth 175 dollars that a judgment call. If you are one who wears patches on your sleeve than maybe? I don't personally but to each their own. Sure that velco is the only difference between a target jacket & one from TAD gear? This debate is like: stag vs colt psl vs larue obr polyester suit vs wool wasr vs russian sgl primary arms vs aimpoint |
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I refuse to buy anything else from them because they stored my credit card information in a non-encrypted format and it was stolen. My CC finally got compromised. The Fraud department caught it, and shut it down before anything significant hit. Funny how that top dollar gear doesn't bring enough revenue for decent computer security. 
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Cut, style and color were the same, the jackets were in tan, gray and brown. Material was listed as highly water resistant and breathable, it felt similar to their shark skin and not their Rhino hide.
TAD gets what the market will bear, I have no issues with that. People are free to wear what they want. No gear out there, not matter how much it costs will last for ever in the field and most gear that cost 2-3 times more will not last 2-3 times longer and other than a few niche circumstances will it provide 2-3 times utility. That being said some people just get too much of their ego wrapped up in their purchases and feel they need to justify why they actually need to spend the extra. If someone wants to take a 200-300 jacket to the field than that is their option and don't need to justify it more to anyone. The good Major and myself are both pretty experienced Marines in combat arms, Harv is a former (I believe retired) Tanker. I actually own two of their jackets and few other pieces of their gear. For most part I wear it around town as a wind/light water barrier. I wouldn't take it to the field beyond even it being non-issue, the issue gear has more utility and even if I destroy it I can take it back to CIF with a damaged gear statement and get another. |
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With all this being said, what MFG actually makes quality stuff worth the price? Also, which MFG has the best product that doesn't cost a lot? I'd like the function of an issue gore-tex parka without it being camo, something I could use everyday. Several companies make ECWS like tops in non-camo. |
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With all this being said, what MFG actually makes quality stuff worth the price? Also, which MFG has the best product that doesn't cost a lot? I'd like the function of an issue gore-tex parka without it being camo, something I could use everyday. Several companies make ECWS like tops in non-camo. Could you give me some names, I've not been able to find any. |
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I refuse to buy anything else from them because they stored my credit card information in a non-encrypted format and it was stolen. My CC finally got compromised. The Fraud department caught it, and shut it down before anything significant hit. Funny how that top dollar gear doesn't bring enough revenue for decent computer security. this really turned me off to them... same for Denny/Global Tactical if you're going to maintain a strong online presence, you need to invest in some good IT security... |
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When did this data compromise occur and why were not all customers notified?
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I refuse to buy anything else from them because they stored my credit card information in a non-encrypted format and it was stolen. It essentially got my account that I use to pay for bills emptied in less than 3 hours while I was sleeping and caused so much frustration, all I got from TAD was an e-mail, after I replied I never got an answer to any of my questions. If they don't care about my money and time to clean up the mess and wait for the whole investigation to be complete so I could get my money back I could care less how great their overpriced stuff is. Yeah, I hear ya there too. I am still trying to get all my bills squared away due to their horrible lack of security, and as you said, my emails and phone calls have yet to be returned by them on my inquiries. So many die hard fan boys around, I doubt they care to lose me or you as customers anyways. |
| As a former clothing buyer let me tell you that the mark up is anywhere from 20% to 50% depending on the product, what the name is and as Harv stated, how much a person is willing to shell out. There has always been and will always be the current "in" clothing. It's the smart consumer who reads between the lines and is able to find the good bargain that will perfom just as well. |
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With all this being said, what MFG actually makes quality stuff worth the price? Also, which MFG has the best product that doesn't cost a lot? I'd like the function of an issue gore-tex parka without it being camo, something I could use everyday. Several companies make ECWS like tops in non-camo. Could you give me some names, I've not been able to find any. Tru Spec use to make multiple non-camo colors, now it looks like they are down to only black. |
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Lets compare a LAPG tactical Fleece Hoodie (which I own) for $60 which is a rip off of the Ranger Hoodie and the Spectre Hoodie cut style to the Ranger Hoodie.
I have worn both (a friend has a ranger) and I will say the ranger is 50x more comfortable. The Ranger is 50x less stiff. The Rangers overall cut quality is 50x better. The rangers Fleece is 50x better. The Rangers cut of pockets is 50x better. The Rnagers zippers for pockets and the jacket alone are 100x better. When layering, with my spectre, the Ranger is 100x better with comfort. The cords in the Ranger are 2353465465475675676x better. The LAPG ones are horrible quality, and look like crap. The ranger is 50x lighter yet just as if not even warmer. The LAPG version is so stiff you can sit the coat up on its own... For $60, its not a bad coat, but the difference of $140 is EXTREMELY noticable. If you want to pay cheap, thats exactly what you will get with quality. The ranger is a 100x better, and for the extra 140$, its overly worth it. Even for just your weekend warrior type. I paid $150 for my eagle A3 molle pack. Was it alot of money for a pack? Yes. But worth it? every penny. It has seen so much abuse I can't begin to tell you. It has yet to rip or tear or even discolor. usually the zippers fuck up, and after close to 2 years of lugging it around through hell, the zippers are as strong as they were when I bought it. I have said it once, and I will say it 1000 times, within the worl d of tactical gear, AR15s, hardcore outdoor gear, you GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. That chinese 80% off replica crap is just that, 80% the quality RELPICA CRAP. |
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