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Posted: 12/14/2009 10:51:15 PM EDT
| Can anyone with real world experience in using the "old" ECWCS and new 5 piece sleep system tell me which one is warmer? I heard that the new one isn't as warm as the old one. |
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The 3 piece is teh cats ass. I was warm in single digit weather, as long as you stay on that iso mat.  apparently a kid died in boot camp last winter from freezing in the middle of the night because they were sleeping on concrete pads and he didnt use an iso... |
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Here's what the new 5 pc. set is Comes w/ 2 stuff sacks. A small and a large so you can bring along only what you want and leave the rest behind. Uhhh ... so it has five pieces, two of which count the fucking stuff sacks? Are the bags themselves any different than the Black/OD ones? Honestly, if you're going to drop your own money on a sleeping bag system, I would recommend checking out sleep system from Wiggy's. I have the SuperLight FTRSS, and it rocks. My wife had the Ultima Thule FTRSS until she lost the outer bag. These things are way warmer than the USGI bags. |
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The 3 piece is teh cats ass. I was warm in single digit weather, as long as you stay on that iso mat. apparently a kid died in boot camp last winter from freezing in the middle of the night because they were sleeping on concrete pads and he didnt use an iso... DAMN! Thats rough. I never used to use the dang thing until the first time I was in the field in single digit temps and near the ocean. I didn't think I was gonna make it. We had like 5 or 6 of us stuffed inside a M105 trailer so we would have as much body heat going around as possible. Ahhh the good ole' days. |
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Here's what the new 5 pc. set is Comes w/ 2 stuff sacks. A small and a large so you can bring along only what you want and leave the rest behind. ... Are the bags themselves any different than the Black/OD ones?... I weighed both sets on a postal scale. Both style patrol bags are the same @ 2lb 5oz. Intermediate bags ACU style is 3lb. 11oz. , Woodland is 4lb. 1oz. Bivy cover ACU is 1lb. 15oz. , Woodland 2lb. 3oz. Total weight savings is about half a pound. The zippers and pull strings are a little bit different also, but not much. |
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Quoted: Wouldn't he have died using the woodland set also??? If the cause was that he was on a concrete pad w/ no ISO pad underneath? if it was that cold ,,more than likely. Pads are a must ..even in warm weather. Ground sucks the shit right outta you because the bags loft/insulation is compressed by your own body at that spot. I dont use the MSS system...therma rest and 0f slumberjack bag works for me at 5.5lbs total vs 8-9lbs of surplus bag for cold weather.even with a bivy its lighter |
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So are the US ECWS modular sleep system worth the money? Would you pay 200 plus for one?
I am also looking for a sleeping bag the is rated down to -10 to zero degrees, but 400ish is high. I want something that is rugged and can take some abuse. I am looking to send 150 to 200. Thanks |
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So are the US ECWS modular sleep system worth the money? Would you pay 200 plus for one? I am also looking for a sleeping bag the is rated down to -10 to zero degrees, but 400ish is high. I want something that is rugged and can take some abuse. I am looking to send 150 to 200. If you can get a complete (including the Bivy Bag) USGI sleep system in the old Woodland/OD/Black combination for under $200, I would say that it's totally worth it. It isn't the best system in the world, but it's pretty good, and you can probably get it for a good price. In the $400-ish range, you're hopefully talking about the Wiggy's system that I highly recommend. Yes, they are more expensive, and they don't come with a bivy bag, BUT consider if any other sleep system is going to offer you the same guarantee offered by Jerry ... ABOUT WIGGY PRODUCTS By Jerry Wigutow WIGGY’S GUARANTEE: Our Guarantee is for a lifetime of use. If a seam opens, the zipper breaks or the Lamilite insulation deteriorates (such as losing its loft or separating, clumping in one place or another), Wiggy’s will repair or replace your bag at no charge to you. At this time, I know of no sleeping bag manufacturer that would even consider such a guarantee. The reason is simple: they already know the insulation they use will deteriorate. If you have ever compared information from the different sleeping bag and extreme cold weather garment manufacturers, you will see that they have never guaranteed the insulation they use, nor do they now. |
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So are the US ECWS modular sleep system worth the money? Would you pay 200 plus for one? I am also looking for a sleeping bag the is rated down to -10 to zero degrees, but 400ish is high. I want something that is rugged and can take some abuse. I am looking to send 150 to 200. Thanks Well worth it, but they can be had well under $200- with the sale on my website now they are under $150. |
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So much for Wiggy's Guarantee. I have a FTRSS that I was able to get issued while in the Air Force. I have since retired and the zipper broke. I contacted Wiggy's and was told to send it in along with $35.00 to cover the repair. I aksed about the warrenty but he (Jerry) just said he needed the $35.00 to complete the repair.
As a side note, I submitted a suggestion to the military to replace the current sleeping bag system (Extreme cold and Intermediate) with the FTRSS. It was denied and I contacted Natick labs as they were the reviewers, The said Wiggy's warentee was overstated. All their repair requests were not honored. My FTRSS is not really a great bag, the insulation has matted down and clumped in areas. This happenede after the first washing and has never come back. I used it in Alberta, Canada during a winter exercise one year. The next year I went back to my Extreme cold weather bag and was never cold. Just 1 persons opinion. Dave |
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does anyone have a link to were you can buy one of the older 3 piece systems, complete. thanks in advance. don't mean to hijack. I have them listed in the EE, just folow the link from the ad. |
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Quoted: BLUF: Somebody fucked up big time by purchasing these new systems. Again,.....the system failed the individul soldier/sailor/and Marine. Somebody's "good" idea is actually a HUGE POS that's still steaming. Maj Gee... wonder which "O" owns stock in the company, and which Congresscritter's getting the kickback?  |
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