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Posted: 7/27/2009 8:56:11 AM EDT
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Yes i know we have a 3 day pack resource. i've read all 13 pages, so i'm familiar with the different variations. What i'd like to discuss is the implementation of the third line. In specific, what do you carry and how do you have it packed. pictures would be great as well.
and i'd love for MM to chime in here with significantly more detailed pictures of his new emdom pack |
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What i'd like to discuss is the implementation of the third line. In specific, what do you carry and how do you have it packed. pictures would be great as well. http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=10&f=18&t=506065 |
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What i'd like to discuss is the implementation of the third line. In specific, what do you carry and how do you have it packed. pictures would be great as well. http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=10&f=18&t=506065 that's a bob. not exactly a fighting third line |
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I'd especialyl be interested to see how everyones 1st line belts are working with rucks. I'm going to take a wild ass guess and say they don't really, not if you plan to use the packs waist belt-correctly. FWIW, IMHO, if you are putting on a big ass "first line" 'battle belt' with you 'second line' chest rig, that's not at all "first line". it's just shit that does not fit on your chest rig. |
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What i'd like to discuss is the implementation of the third line. In specific, what do you carry and how do you have it packed. pictures would be great as well. http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=10&f=18&t=506065 that's a bob. not exactly a fighting third line 
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What i'd like to discuss is the implementation of the third line. In specific, what do you carry and how do you have it packed. pictures would be great as well. http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=10&f=18&t=506065 that's a bob. not exactly a fighting third line of course your third line is not a fighting line. Third line gear is your mission load. Without a mission and an environment the mission will be conducted in, you can't design it. Since you mission outside of the military will probably be getting home or leaving home a BOB or GHB is a third line. |
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What i'd like to discuss is the implementation of the third line. In specific, what do you carry and how do you have it packed. pictures would be great as well. http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=10&f=18&t=506065 that's a bob. not exactly a fighting third line of course your third line is not a fighting line. Third line gear is your mission load. Without a mission and an environment the mission will be conducted in, you can't design it. Since you mission outside of the military will probably be getting home or leaving home a BOB or GHB is a third line. okay. but how do you sustain your fighting capabilities without a strong third line or a extensive supply train? |
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What i'd like to discuss is the implementation of the third line. In specific, what do you carry and how do you have it packed. pictures would be great as well. http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=10&f=18&t=506065 that's a bob. not exactly a fighting third line of course your third line is not a fighting line. Third line gear is your mission load. Without a mission and an environment the mission will be conducted in, you can't design it. Since you mission outside of the military will probably be getting home or leaving home a BOB or GHB is a third line. okay. but how do you sustain your fighting capabilities without a strong third line or a extensive supply train? you carry a bigger pack    which is why I have a 6000ci INCH pack. and FWIW, I'll only be doing that if there are mushroom clouds on the horizon.
but really, if I'm in 'bug-out' mode, I'm not in fighting mode, I'll be trying to avoid contact as much as possible, not being Rambo with a pack. |
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okay. but how do you sustain your fighting capabilities without a strong third line or a extensive supply train? Outside of the military you can't. As some kind of a "lone operator" after the apocalypse, you cannot shoot a complete 2nd line worth of ammo without being killed yourself. You’re not going to just be CMing after shooting 1-2 basic loads. Even as a small team, you can carry another basic load in your third line if you would like, but you better be extracted or relived as by the time you have gotten into it you have sustained major casualties almost for sure. |
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okay. but how do you sustain your fighting capabilities without a strong third line or a extensive supply train? Outside of the military you can't. As some kind of a "lone operator" after the apocalypse, you cannot shoot a complete 2nd line worth of ammo without being killed yourself. You’re not going to just be CMing after shooting 1-2 basic loads. Even as a small team, you can carry another basic load in your third line if you would like, but you better be extracted or relived as by the time you have gotten into it you have sustained major casualties almost for sure. This pretty well sums it up. Acting as a self sufficient combatant operating out of a conventional third line is a pipe dream. If you were going to act as any sort of fighter, you would almost certainly have to link up with a group and your group would need to have a very good logistical plan. |
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Realistically you have two choices. One, you go bare bones food, water and max out on ammo. Not gonna leave much room for the nice things like clean socks and sleeping bag. Not to mention its going to get very heavy. Two, you go for basic load ( be it chest rig/belt rig/or whatever) and a second basic load in your pack. That changes your tactics from one of confrontation to escape and evasion.
Speaking from experience of having to carry a hundred pound pack on a ruck march, its no fun. Can you imagine having to E&E with that much weight on your back? I pack a basic load in my chest rig or my LBE (whichever I decide to carry) and in my ruck I have another basic load. My philosophy is that its better to E&E than to make contact and get into a shooting contest with a no doubt numerically superior enemy. Since my resources are limited its the best choice. It may be different for you if you have a larger support network. I have only myself. Hope this helped. |
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A bag (more appropriately a set of gear) like this is going to have to be stored somewhere, safely over time. You could put it in your house or in a spare vehicle that you have stored up (battery disconnected, tires inflated, etc...) or in a storage unit. You're talking about surviving on your own or as a small group for a long period of time which initially will require substantial financial resources. Also this will supplement any fighting load you do have in the second line.
Putting this together, I'd have three bags to contain ammo, MREs, spare fluid for portable stoves, socks, sleeping systems, shirts, and the winter gear (I live in the South) so I can live with having it further down the line. But the best thing to consider is portability. In the event of zombies or that mushroom cloud, you want to be able to get at it quickly so you can get mobile. Tough boxes, rolling work boxes, and bags like this one from Tactical Tailor which also makes a great 2nd line bag http://www.tacticaltailor.com/productimages/bagscases/200/rollingduffleloaded_200.jpg |
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