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Posted: 7/27/2015 7:51:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PA-Minuteman:
First off I want to say "Thank you", I came across this thread and found your info/opinions very helpful! 
I was looking for a good pattern for my area and the best I came up with was multicam, That was until I found this thread. I am in mad love with Multicam Tropic 
Multicam tropic looks like the camo I been looking for awhile now, but I had to settle with plain multicam instead. My area in open fields that goes into deep woods/mountians and while multicam was great in the fields it sucked it the woods, This may be the answer I'm looking for! Quick question though, how would this mulitcam work in a field with brush and such? All I can find is it in woods, no "open field" tests? Do you think you could test that out for my before I drop $150+ on this camo? Thanks, Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PA-Minuteman:
Originally Posted By Hawkeye:
New Army issue OCP2/Scorpion. Video & more pictures coming soon... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/Gear/MC-OCP2-Scorpion/image_zpstinfnclm.jpg First off I want to say "Thank you", I came across this thread and found your info/opinions very helpful!
I was looking for a good pattern for my area and the best I came up with was multicam, That was until I found this thread. I am in mad love with Multicam Tropic
Multicam tropic looks like the camo I been looking for awhile now, but I had to settle with plain multicam instead. My area in open fields that goes into deep woods/mountians and while multicam was great in the fields it sucked it the woods, This may be the answer I'm looking for! Quick question though, how would this mulitcam work in a field with brush and such? All I can find is it in woods, no "open field" tests? Do you think you could test that out for my before I drop $150+ on this camo? Thanks, I like Tropic a lot. However, like many other patterns, its a fairly environmentally specific pattern. Its real home is in the woods/jungle. I've not tried it in any real open area's. I suspect that in that kind of terrain, standard Multicam will be more effective. I could be wrong though. Having to transition through multiple environments is where Multicam shines. Its not as "good" in each specific environment as a dedicated pattern is, but it works well enough to be viable. As for standard Multicam and woods, I used to be one that wasn't overly impressed with it in that terrain. However, the more I've worked with it, the more I've come to like it in woodland environments. I'll start looking and see if I can find a suitable area to do some testing in with the Tropic. You may also want to give All Terrain Tiger Stripe a look as well. |
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Posted: 7/27/2015 2:58:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wsix:
Less effective? Where? It looks far more suited in a woodland role than MC. Maybe not as good in arid regions. Both suck in the snow. You won't find a perfect camo for the planet, just a suitable camo for specific environments. Scorpion and MC are attempts to have a single effective camo for as wide an array of environments as possible. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wsix:
Originally Posted By Wespe:
Originally Posted By n0zzle:
Originally Posted By Hawkeye:
New Army issue OCP2/Scorpion. Video & more pictures coming soon... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/Gear/MC-OCP2-Scorpion/image_zpstinfnclm.jpg Is this the byproduct of a Woodland and MultiCam one night stand?  Nope, it's a less effective version of Multicam http://soldiersystems.net/2015/07/16/us-army-issued-patent-for-scorpion-camo-admits-pattern-inferior-to-multicam/ Less effective? Where? It looks far more suited in a woodland role than MC. Maybe not as good in arid regions. Both suck in the snow. You won't find a perfect camo for the planet, just a suitable camo for specific environments. Scorpion and MC are attempts to have a single effective camo for as wide an array of environments as possible. If you read the article, it shows it scored less effective than Multicam in all but one environement. It makes sense if you think about it since Scorpion was basically Multicam version 1.0. Crye improved on it and it became what we now know as Multicam. |
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Posted: 7/27/2015 3:34:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wespe:
If you read the article, it shows it scored less effective than Multicam in all but one environement. It makes sense if you think about it since Scorpion was basically Multicam version 1.0. Crye improved on it and it became what we now know as Multicam. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wespe:
Originally Posted By wsix:
Originally Posted By Wespe:
Originally Posted By n0zzle:
Originally Posted By Hawkeye:
New Army issue OCP2/Scorpion. Video & more pictures coming soon... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/Gear/MC-OCP2-Scorpion/image_zpstinfnclm.jpg Is this the byproduct of a Woodland and MultiCam one night stand? Nope, it's a less effective version of Multicam http://soldiersystems.net/2015/07/16/us-army-issued-patent-for-scorpion-camo-admits-pattern-inferior-to-multicam/ Less effective? Where? It looks far more suited in a woodland role than MC. Maybe not as good in arid regions. Both suck in the snow. You won't find a perfect camo for the planet, just a suitable camo for specific environments. Scorpion and MC are attempts to have a single effective camo for as wide an array of environments as possible. If you read the article, it shows it scored less effective than Multicam in all but one environement. It makes sense if you think about it since Scorpion was basically Multicam version 1.0. Crye improved on it and it became what we now know as Multicam. 56 to 58. I call that "operationally negligible" At that point, it's not your camo giving you away, it's your gear, your rifle, or something else. I wouldn't call the test exhaustive by any means as the test was a picture in a picture and not even a live test in the field. The Army could have saved millions by just sending a knife hand expert SGM to US Army Sniper School and saying; "Hey guys, we need a new camo pattern. You, you, and you, find one in a week." |
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Posted: 8/2/2015 9:13:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Shawnmt6601]
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Posted: 8/2/2015 9:17:46 PM EDT
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I will try to add some ERDL and ARVN airborne camo test pics up in the next few weeks and some black spray paint striped 3rd pattern ODs as well as a PAVN ( NVA) uniform just for fun
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Posted: 8/3/2015 9:23:41 PM EDT
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Shawn, where did you get the Tiger Stripe cammies? Good qualitiy? Sized correctly? Price?
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Posted: 8/3/2015 10:55:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheGunslinger:
Shawn, where did you get the Tiger Stripe cammies? Good qualitiy? Sized correctly? Price? http://www.mooremilitaria.com/apparel.html |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 12:42:44 AM EDT
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Thanks!
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Posted: 8/4/2015 8:08:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shawnmt6601:
Originally Posted By TheGunslinger:
Shawn, where did you get the Tiger Stripe cammies? Good qualitiy? Sized correctly? Price? http://www.mooremilitaria.com/apparel.html I also appreciate that! |
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Posted: 8/7/2015 12:09:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryAwesome review. 
I was curious about the differences but it seemed like every discussion got bogged down in politics. |
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Posted: 8/12/2015 4:03:41 PM EDT
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for you guys who like the vietnam ERDL as much as me,
moore militaria is having a sale this weekend on his ERDL and first patter ODs http://www.mooremilitaria.com/sale-items.html |
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Posted: 9/8/2015 1:06:43 PM EDT
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Some more Multicam Tropic.
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Posted: 9/8/2015 8:01:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hawkeye:
Some more Multicam Tropic.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smu58HsSHv0
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/Gear/MCT/Tropic%202_zps6nd4ue2k.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/Gear/MCT/Tropic%203_zpspdyyuvns.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/Gear/MCT/Tropic%204_zpswjexlh9q.jpg Thanks for more MC tropic! I decided to get a set of Tru-Spec TRU and love them! I'm going to keep a set of MC Tropic and plain MC in my BOB. These camo's work well with my area 
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Posted: 9/8/2015 11:07:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PA-Minuteman:
Thanks for more MC tropic! I decided to get a set of Tru-Spec TRU and love them! I'm going to keep a set of MC Tropic and plain MC in my BOB. These camo's work well with my area
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PA-Minuteman:
Originally Posted By Hawkeye:
Some more Multicam Tropic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smu58HsSHv0
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/Gear/MCT/Tropic%202_zps6nd4ue2k.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/Gear/MCT/Tropic%203_zpspdyyuvns.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/Gear/MCT/Tropic%204_zpswjexlh9q.jpg Thanks for more MC tropic! I decided to get a set of Tru-Spec TRU and love them! I'm going to keep a set of MC Tropic and plain MC in my BOB. These camo's work well with my area
That's a good plan. MC and MC Tropic work well together and will cover 90% of the terrain and environments east of the missisippi. For your area, add in a simple lightweight MC Alpine smock for winter and your set. Gear wise, you can get away with using standard MC gear, even with the Tropic. It makes for a nice breakup effect if you dont want to run 2 different sets of gear. |
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Posted: 11/11/2015 2:03:28 PM EDT
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Keepin' the thread alive
Anybody have any experience yet with MC Arid? |
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AK, USA
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Posted: 11/12/2015 4:14:15 AM EDT
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Atacs is trying again. Thing is, If I can't get it in NYCO ripstop, I'm not interested. The FG in 65% poly 35% cotton is a terrible material. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 10:24:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wsix:
https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11012109_907574169296051_3279496682921533210_n.jpg?oh=d0cd47a7b2cf9382c9c68bd8bb3da43d&oe=56F4A74D https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/12190003_907086196011515_8903998636041984712_n.jpg?oh=ded18aa68967a3d4fa576042c6250ac6&oe=56C1ECBE Atacs is trying again. Thing is, If I can't get it in NYCO ripstop, I'm not interested. The FG in 65% poly 35% cotton is a terrible material. Think I'm going to have to agree at this point. They really need to bring it out in NYCO. |
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Posted: 11/12/2015 10:54:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OlKev:
Keepin' the thread alive Anybody have any experience yet with MC Arid? I've got a couple of pics on the previous page. I need to try and find time to take some more. |
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AK, USA
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Posted: 11/12/2015 8:12:23 PM EDT
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Schott Performance Fabrics has FG in NYCO, so, wtf isn't propper or tru spec making BDU's in it?
FG in NYCO. Hawkeye, maybe we just need to buy some and make our own shit. By that I mean, we buy it and you make it.
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Posted: 11/12/2015 10:21:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Hawkeye]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wsix:
Schott Performance Fabrics has FG in NYCO, so, wtf isn't propper or tru spec making BDU's in it? FG in NYCO. Hawkeye, maybe we just need to buy some and make our own shit. By that I mean, we buy it and you make it. Tru-Spec is doing AU and FG TRU uniforms in nyco. Just started earlier this year. They may be planning to do some in the new iX as well if they do it in nyco. I dont know. As for me making some...... Not sure about that. Clothes are a different animal than chest rigs. Might end up with 3 sleeves or something. LoL. |
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Posted: 2/20/2016 4:23:56 PM EDT
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This is a great thread. I feel like it should be tacked.
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Posted: 4/26/2016 2:03:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JOEGUNNER:
This is a great thread. I feel like it should be tacked. Amen! |
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Posted: 4/26/2016 2:43:51 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/26/2016 2:44:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/26/2016 2:45:12 PM EDT
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Remember. "Desert/Arid" patterns & colors only work in the desert. Never in the woods/swamp.
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Posted: 4/26/2016 5:49:15 PM EDT
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Thanks for keeping this thread going, I really appreciate it!
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Posted: 5/16/2016 6:23:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Hawkeye]
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Posted: 5/16/2016 6:35:02 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryWell done..!! |
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Posted: 5/16/2016 11:12:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By myitinaw:
Well done..!! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By myitinaw:
Well done..!! Thanks. Had to delete the first version though as I realized I had left some footage out by accident. New version up now. |
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Posted: 6/13/2016 9:19:30 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/21/2016 11:14:19 AM EDT
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What's the latest? (Keeping the thread alive)
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AK, USA
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Posted: 7/27/2016 4:07:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistorySeems to work really well. In the takes that I could see you, it was your head or shadow giving you up. |
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Posted: 7/27/2016 5:22:02 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryI really like this one. I love Tiger stripe designs, and the only time I noticed you was when I was searching to find the person I knew was supposed to be there. Just walking along, you would never spot someone without having knowledge that someone was supposed to be there. Do you have a preferred vendor? |
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Posted: 7/28/2016 9:21:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wsix:
Seems to work really well. In the takes that I could see you, it was your head or shadow giving you up. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wsix:
Seems to work really well. In the takes that I could see you, it was your head or shadow giving you up. I've got head gear for the next one. |
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Posted: 7/28/2016 9:23:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Hawkeye]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Seatbelts:
I really like this one. I love Tiger stripe designs, and the only time I noticed you was when I was searching to find the person I knew was supposed to be there. Just walking along, you would never spot someone without having knowledge that someone was supposed to be there. Do you have a preferred vendor? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Seatbelts:
I really like this one. I love Tiger stripe designs, and the only time I noticed you was when I was searching to find the person I knew was supposed to be there. Just walking along, you would never spot someone without having knowledge that someone was supposed to be there. Do you have a preferred vendor? Any Tru-Spec dealer should be able to get them. I usually just order directly from Tru-Spec these days. Go to 0241 Tactical for the TOP jacket. |
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Posted: 8/22/2016 11:43:37 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/22/2016 6:22:30 PM EDT
[#37]
Cool video. It amazes me how much the black on the PIG gloves jumps out. Thanks!
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Posted: 8/23/2016 8:54:22 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lew:
Cool video. It amazes me how much the black on the PIG gloves jumps out. Thanks! Yeah, I've got a couple of pair of PIG gloves, and I love them. One pair is actually an early test pair, and they are still going strong. But that's one thing I wish they could change, the large black area's on the knuckles. Still, the pro's outweigh the cons for me and I'll still keep using them. |
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Posted: 8/23/2016 5:09:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hawkeye:
Yeah, I've got a couple of pair of PIG gloves, and I love them. One pair is actually an early test pair, and they are still going strong. But that's one thing I wish they could change, the large black area's on the knuckles. Still, the pro's outweigh the cons for me and I'll still keep using them. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hawkeye:
Originally Posted By lew:
Cool video. It amazes me how much the black on the PIG gloves jumps out. Thanks! Yeah, I've got a couple of pair of PIG gloves, and I love them. One pair is actually an early test pair, and they are still going strong. But that's one thing I wish they could change, the large black area's on the knuckles. Still, the pro's outweigh the cons for me and I'll still keep using them. I replaced mine for field/range use with Mechanix Fast Fits in Multicam, but the SKD's will always be in the truck. Both are great gloves. |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 9:20:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lew:
I replaced mine for field/range use with Mechanix Fast Fits in Multicam, but the SKD's will always be in the truck. Both are great gloves. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lew:
Originally Posted By Hawkeye:
Originally Posted By lew:
Cool video. It amazes me how much the black on the PIG gloves jumps out. Thanks! Yeah, I've got a couple of pair of PIG gloves, and I love them. One pair is actually an early test pair, and they are still going strong. But that's one thing I wish they could change, the large black area's on the knuckles. Still, the pro's outweigh the cons for me and I'll still keep using them. I replaced mine for field/range use with Mechanix Fast Fits in Multicam, but the SKD's will always be in the truck. Both are great gloves. Fast Fit's are my backup/alternates. Like them as well. |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 11:28:39 AM EDT
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Thanks for this thread and keep up the good work.
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Posted: 10/17/2016 10:53:01 PM EDT
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Bump |
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Posted: 12/9/2016 12:06:43 PM EDT
[#43]
Teaser - Hope to have something new to show off soon.
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Posted: 12/22/2016 1:50:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Hawkeye]
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 Brookwood Covert Woodland [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zq20oz5_F8M[/youtube] |
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Posted: 12/22/2016 2:33:38 PM EDT
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I like that Brookwood get up. Who makes those garments?
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Posted: 12/27/2016 11:48:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lew:
I like that Brookwood get up. Who makes those garments? 0241 Tactical |
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Posted: 2/1/2017 12:23:41 PM EDT
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 A-TACS iX revisit. |
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Posted: 2/1/2017 3:02:32 PM EDT
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Quote History Nice vid brother!
I'm not a big fan of that camo, I spotted you everytime
By any chance could you do some Wolf Grey vid in a wooded area? I was thinking about using Wolf Grey in my Get home bag. I know WG blends in pretty well in rural areas but I haven't seen any videos of it in wooded area. |
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Posted: 2/2/2017 10:02:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Hawkeye]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PA-Minuteman:
Nice vid brother! I'm not a big fan of that camo, I spotted you everytime
By any chance could you do some Wolf Grey vid in a wooded area? I was thinking about using Wolf Grey in my Get home bag. I know WG blends in pretty well in rural areas but I haven't seen any videos of it in wooded area. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PA-Minuteman:
I'm not a big fan of that camo, I spotted you everytime
By any chance could you do some Wolf Grey vid in a wooded area? I was thinking about using Wolf Grey in my Get home bag. I know WG blends in pretty well in rural areas but I haven't seen any videos of it in wooded area. Thanks. And yeah.....that's what they all say. 
Not sure about Wolf Grey. I wouldn't rule it out, but it honestly hasn't been on my interest list. |
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Posted: 2/2/2017 5:27:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryExcellent video Hawkeye! Thank you for your efforts. |
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