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Posted: 3/25/2009 4:32:18 PM EDT
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I've bought a chest rig and a pack from them at pretty good prices and CTD has good customer service. Although their site lists themselves as manufacturer, a lot of the MOLLE stuff is made by Condor. |
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they have raised their prices on that line of gear over 100% I'm shocked to learn that. 
US Cav carries condor stuff. Here's a quick linky Any reason you want the Condor stuff specifically? If your handle rings true, you may want to look at Tactical Tailor stuff. Very good price for the stuff you're getting. |
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they have raised their prices on that line of gear over 100% I'm shocked to learn that.
US Cav carries condor stuff. Here's a quick linky Any reason you want the Condor stuff specifically? If your handle rings true, you may want to look at Tactical Tailor stuff. Very good price for the stuff you're getting. I want the MOLLE shotgun scabbard. before christmas it was $19.95. Now it is $49.95 at CTD. "if my handle rings true" Oh well,do you need a copy of my DD214? |
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Damn if I were tactical tailor/maxpedition/Tad Gear/Camelbak/Spec-ops I'd be pissed at them |
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US Cavalry carries Condor. The Condor pouches I have are of decent to good quality. I am not a big time professional or anything but I am happy with the few Condor items that I have. Oh yeah, did I mention that Condor is really cheap?
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| after doing a little more research the molle shotgun scabbard looks to be made by Voodoo tactical. as far a gear goes if it is made in America I consider it to be of excellent quality. If condor is made in China and blackhawk is made in Korea is it really any different other than the price you pay for Blackhawk??? |
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Most young soldiers don't have a lot of cash to throw into gear, especially when the stuff you are issued "does the job" marginally.
I use and recommend Pantac. It's cheaper than TT, the stitching is of excellent quality, and if you can get a couple guys together in the barracks and make one order, the shipping from Hong Kong isn't that rough. Flame away... |
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Actually, most young soldiers are nothing but disposable income with no idea how to spend it. Oh yeah... they're just rollin' in the dough... Seriously, after what little money a new soldier makes is quickly put to good use on beer and poon there isn't a whole lot left over for "Tactical Nylon Stuff." Thus, the best quality at the best price takes precedence over labels and where it was made. Back to our regularly scheduled thread... CONDOR... I have their plate carrier right here, it's awesome... although I got it from CTD. |
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Tweeter Actually, most young soldiers are nothing but disposable income with no idea how to spend it.
ETA: They have few-to-no bills = shit-ton of disposable income. This is pretty much spot on.... When I was a 19 yr old PFC, I could burn a 2 week paycheck in a weekend out with the boys... Infantryman, stick to TT, Eagle, SOTech etc. The cheap shit seems just as good, but in the long run, the good stuff cost less cause it will outlast you. |
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1. You didn't ask about a MOLLE shotgun scabbard. 2. You asked an airsoft question in a gun forum, you can probably expect some negativity. 3. Some of us are actually not armchair commandos. 1. not in the original post no, but a little ways down I specified. 2. airsoft question? how so? Just asked who carried condor. and BTW this is a tactical gear forum. so I certainly asked it in the right spot. 3. armchair commando comment was directed at noone in particular. |
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they have raised their prices on that line of gear over 100% I'm shocked to learn that.
US Cav carries condor stuff. Here's a quick linky Any reason you want the Condor stuff specifically? If your handle rings true, you may want to look at Tactical Tailor stuff. Very good price for the stuff you're getting. I want the MOLLE shotgun scabbard. before christmas it was $19.95. Now it is $49.95 at CTD. "if my handle rings true" Oh well,do you need a copy of my DD214? Haven't you heard ? 3rd world countries are going through economic crisis as well ! That explains the price hike as well as their government needs to loan our new administration(  ) more $$$$ , so they can add more taxes and restrictions to the US citizens .
And be advised , only part of "Tactical" that these 3rd world country companies products is how "tactical" they can steal design . Now more of your money and less of quality ! I see more and more new boots , fresh out of SOI buy this crap . Use it several weeks , then bring into the shop for repair . Needless to say , we do not do any repair work on this crap . At one point , we could not make any of our products , as we were so damn busy fixing this stuff . So no more do we repair it . We only advise to buy better built gear and if we do not have it , we refer the guys to another company that will fit their needs . Any time we cannot fill the needs to our customers , we do refer to TT , Eagle and other fine companies . Never will we stir any customer to any company that will stand behind their products . Gene @ HSGI |
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Most young soldiers don't have a lot of cash to throw into gear, especially when the stuff you are issued "does the job" marginally. I use and recommend Pantac. It's cheaper than TT, the stitching is of excellent quality, and if you can get a couple guys together in the barracks and make one order, the shipping from Hong Kong isn't that rough. Flame away... I used to have no bills and could purchase my own PVS 14's US Optics Scopes, custom armor and all, but now I'm 26 and have a young company I'm trying to expand in a shitty economic downturn. I've seen the condor plate carrier which appears to be a copy of the Eagle unit, and it looks a little chinsy with the slightly off colored ACU nylon, but I think with a little reinforcement at the load points with strong fishing line, it would do the job. Unfortunately the Army's new issue IOTV is like 32 pounds by itself, and we have to hump a combat load of ammo, frags, water, binos, rangefinder, first aid kits, helmet and weapon equaling easily another 30 pounds. The IOTV chokes you of 40% of your ability to breathe, robs you of cooling and mobility, removes the ability to go prone with a helmet, and fatigues you out prematurely. Through Army times I hear the Eagle plate carriers with side plates are 13 pounds lighter than the IOTV and are being issued to Ranger regiment and select units in Afghanistan where six soldiers in the 101st have literally died recently in one incident alone for lack of ability to break contact with the new IOTV and a combat load in the mountains. I like Eagle but the condor carrier is $75, and the Eagle one $200. We are probably buying 4-6 plate carriers for dismounted missions where we need to be mobile and compete with terrorists wearing sandals and an AK with 2-3 magazines. Need the gear + don't have the expendable money= buy the shitty wannabe and make it work. Iraqi summer is way too hot for the IOTV on dismonted missions- PERIOD. |
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I used to have no bills and could purchase my own PVS 14's US Optics Scopes, Damn... that's heavy cash... I never had that much extra. I've seen the condor plate carrier which appears to be a copy of the Eagle unit, and it looks a little chinsy with the slightly off colored ACU nylon, but I think with a little reinforcement at the load points with strong fishing line, it would do the job. Mine's desert... I replaced the fastex clips w/ those from the MOLLE repair kit and it's a solid piece of gear now. I like it better than the Eagle too b/c the neoprene inside is kind of "embossed" to allow airflow. Through Army times I hear the Eagle plate carriers with side plates are 13 pounds lighter than the IOTV and are being issued to Ranger regiment and select units in Afghanistan where six soldiers in the 101st have literally died recently in one incident alone for lack of ability to break contact with the new IOTV and a combat load in the mountains. Yup. I've seen the USMCs "Scalable Plate Carrier" and I think these are the same thing. I like Eagle but the condor carrier is $75, and the Eagle one $200. There ya go... I paid less, but there's no reason a Plate Carrier should cost anywhere near that... it's a frickin' baby bib w/ PALS webbing. |
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On the condor/voodoo tactical gear, here's a piece of advice. There's a reason it's cheap- it's poor quality. While you may just be looking for the pouches and not a piece of rappelling equipment, you still need to think decent equipment. I have heard stories of guys on this board buying some condor gear just to see if it would work. They never took it out of the house and they're finding problems with it. In fact I remember one story, a guy put a couple condor mag pouches on his chest rig, and once he picked up the rig off the table to put it on the mags ripped through the stitching and fell out of the pouches. If that's how poorly they preform in a kitchen, how do you think they will perform on a training exercise or worse, in combat? You really don't want your shotshells falling out of the webbing because it was too loose to hold the shells? The stitching is not reinforced, the webbing is out-of spec and can be often difficult to attach, sometimes literally impossible. There are other shotgun ammo puches out there: Specops Brand -$45.00 Blackhawk 18rd. is on-sale for $18.00 Blackhawk 12rd. is on-sale for $16.00 Tactical Tailor has 6 rd. horizontal and 6 rd. vertical panels for $16.00 There are other companies that make this stuff, but here's a good start. I'd go with the Blackhawk stuff due to the phenomenal deal that is. Yeah, the Condor shotgun pouches go for under $10 each, but you'll have to keep replacing that stuff. Now, I'm in the army, in fact I'm an Infantry LT, whos unit is into personnally buying their own gear. I told my platoon they better not show up with Condor or Voodoo tactical gear, and I'd consider it being out of unifrom if they did. That stuff is junk and it has no place on the bodies of fighting men.If they want TT, BHI, or any number of good companies they can go for it. If they just want to buy their own gear to look cool so they buy Condor/Voodoo, they're out of uniform. There's no reason to get that crap if you have a FLC. |
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hey infantryman, On the condor/voodoo tactical gear, here's a piece of advice. There's a reason it's cheap- it's poor quality. While you may just be looking for the pouches and not a piece of rappelling equipment, you still need to think decent equipment. I have heard stories of guys on this board buying some condor gear just to see if it would work. They never took it out of the house and they're finding problems with it. In fact I remember one story, a guy put a couple condor mag pouches on his chest rig, and once he picked up the rig off the table to put it on the mags ripped through the stitching and fell out of the pouches. If that's how poorly they preform in a kitchen, how do you think they will perform on a training exercise or worse, in combat? You really don't want your shotshells falling out of the webbing because it was too loose to hold the shells? The stitching is not reinforced, the webbing is out-of spec and can be often difficult to attach, sometimes literally impossible. There are other shotgun ammo puches out there: Specops Brand -$45.00 Blackhawk 18rd. is on-sale for $18.00 Blackhawk 12rd. is on-sale for $16.00 Tactical Tailor has 6 rd. horizontal and 6 rd. vertical panels for $16.00 There are other companies that make this stuff, but here's a good start. I'd go with the Blackhawk stuff due to the phenomenal deal that is. Yeah, the Condor shotgun pouches go for under $10 each, but you'll have to keep replacing that stuff. Now, I'm in the army, in fact I'm an Infantry LT, whos unit is into personnally buying their own gear. I told my platoon they better not show up with Condor or Voodoo tactical gear, and I'd consider it being out of unifrom if they did. That stuff is junk and it has no place on the bodies of fighting men.If they want TT, BHI, or any number of good companies they can go for it. If they just want to buy their own gear to look cool so they buy Condor/Voodoo, they're out of uniform. There's no reason to get that crap if you have a FLC. That's easy to say making twice as much as the fighting men. BHI is Vietnamese so the difference is fairly small there. I spoke to a medic today who is knowledgeable and substantiated the rumor that SGLI will not pay out to people who die in non-issued armor, so plate carriers need to be issued for that reason I believe even if worn with the issued plates.. The FLC is not a plate carrier and is a quality manufactured piece of garbage kit that even when working and fitting properly makes a soldier look like a hobo. I have a TT two piece MAV with X harness and it's great compared. It looks professional and is comfortable. The Condor plate carrier is a direct copy of the Eagle one in 600 denier rather than 1000. The 600 denier is what issued Alice rucksacks are made of so obviously the Army didn't bat an eyelash to fielding the inferior 600 denier for 40 years. In sniper school we learned how to sew out of neccessity so I'm 100% certain I could reinforce a plate carrier so it would be up to the task. Obviously Eagle would be nice, but neither are OK unless issued according to SGLI so all we can do is make an SOP to remove the neck protector to add a slight amount of comfort and cooling unless we can get command to issue the Army accepted Eagle Plate carrier. It's all political, we should be running Pinnacle SOV 2000 Dragon skin anyway. It's superior armor with superior coverage and better weight distribution and flexibility. As far as the plate carrier alone, I'd lean toward the guy suggesting it's a bib. It's simply a vest that holds plates. It doesn't have to be special, it just has to hold plates so they are covering you if you get shot. The plate stops the projectile not the vest. |
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Yeah, I know BHI is vietnamese, but it is WORLDS ahead of Condor. I've seen plenty of HSLD types with BHI gear.It might not be up to snuff of the HSGI and SOE stuff, etc... but if you're on a budget it isn't terrible. I will say BHI is the baseline of gear. There is better, but there is also much worse, and BHI is about the lowest someone in a serious line of work should be looking for.
Also, I'm a Guardsman. I may make a few bucks more than an enlisted guy, but I'm not making 2x the amount of my men. I also use the issued FLC, which is great equipment if the only equipment you can buy yourself is Condor. The FLC is much better than anything you could buy from Condor or VooDoo. You know private Joe snuffy is gonna go out and buy stuff to look cool and not wear the FLC, if they decide to do that it just better be stuff that's worthwhile, not Condor simply to be different. As for the armor, yes, it's true if you're wearing non-issued armor SGLI will not cover you. As for the dragonskin remark, there are non-political reasons for not issuing us the dragonskin. The armor's construction is basically small plates held together with an adhesive, which fails at the required temperature testing, leaving the plates to fall to the bottom of the carrier. It also weighs 20lbs more than the current armor and more weight is the worst way to protect our soldiers. That is just a few of the problems with dragonskin. Now, back to the topic of why anyone who's not carrying pellet-filled magazines shouldn't buy condor... Also, as a side-note, he's looking for a MOLLE shotgun scabbard, not shotshell carriers (or plate carrier), That's my missunderstanding. I haven't seen those anywhere other than voodoo/Condor/US patriot made. He could try getting one of those and seeing if it works, not a bad price if there's only one company who makes it, and he has the money to gamble with on it. But as a general rule I would still avoid Condor/VooDoo as it is chinese made knockoffs of other companie's designed equipment. BHI is at least american owned and designed, but some of their stuff is produced in Vietnam. Now with the scabbard there are 3 companies who make it, all for $30: Condor/VooDoo and US Patriot (which claims to be american made). Good luck, maybe ask over on lightfighter if there's another company who makes this stuff. Green0- 1/105th Cav? Which company? |
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Why not just go with tactical tailor? It's darn close to the price of the condor stuff, and is made in the USA with a great warranty. You can get it in just about every color under the sun, and it's tough stuff.
I'll admit i've had a few condor items that I figured would be OK since they weren't going to be highly used items, and even in that role they were just substandard items. I just can't get behind them. The qualtiy sucks. Even the issue SDS stuff is better. |
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Why not just go with tactical tailor? It's darn close to the price of the condor stuff, and is made in the USA with a great warranty. You can get it in just about every color under the sun, and it's tough stuff. I'll admit i've had a few condor items that I figured would be OK since they weren't going to be highly used items, and even in that role they were just substandard items. I just can't get behind them. The qualtiy sucks. Even the issue SDS stuff is better. Because he's not looking for a whole setup, he's looking for a shotgun scabbard specifically, which neither tactical tailor nor any other reputable gear company make. Only condor/voodoo and US patriot |
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Why not just go with tactical tailor? It's darn close to the price of the condor stuff, and is made in the USA with a great warranty. You can get it in just about every color under the sun, and it's tough stuff. I'll admit i've had a few condor items that I figured would be OK since they weren't going to be highly used items, and even in that role they were just substandard items. I just can't get behind them. The qualtiy sucks. Even the issue SDS stuff is better. Because he's not looking for a whole setup, he's looking for a shotgun scabbard specifically, which neither tactical tailor nor any other reputable gear company make. Only condor/voodoo and US patriot My bad man, I was just going by what I read originally. I ddn't see the part about the shotty scabbard. Thanks for setting me straight. |
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Why not just go with tactical tailor? It's darn close to the price of the condor stuff, and is made in the USA with a great warranty. You can get it in just about every color under the sun, and it's tough stuff. I'll admit i've had a few condor items that I figured would be OK since they weren't going to be highly used items, and even in that role they were just substandard items. I just can't get behind them. The qualtiy sucks. Even the issue SDS stuff is better. Because he's not looking for a whole setup, he's looking for a shotgun scabbard specifically, which neither tactical tailor nor any other reputable gear company make. Only condor/voodoo and US patriot My bad man, I was just going by what I read originally. I ddn't see the part about the shotty scabbard. Thanks for setting me straight. Yeah, read my above post. I thought he said something completely off the mark. |
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Hey infantryman,
take a look at this: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=10&t=275466 Made in america too. Would this work for waht you'd need? ETA: Eagle also makes a leg rig for a breaching shotgun, I'm sure it could be rigged to wear it where ever you need it though. http://www.eagleindustries.com/product.php?productid=657&cat=0&page=1 Eagle is GTG high quality gear. |
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Cavalry squadrons don't have companies, we have troops.
If you're talking about this tripe: http://www.army.mil/-news/2007/05/22/3292-army-defends-body-armor-quality/ That's an obvious lie from the originally squed bull shit testing the Army did. I have a couple buddies who have worked with Blackwater for 3 years in Iraq now doing PSD in and around Bagdhad, and they have worn the pinnacle armor through those years including temperatures well over 120 degrees in the sun and have not had failures of any kind. In one case they saw a vest stop the primary projectile from an EFP after penetrating the hull of a South African Mamba (the technology and design of which our MRAPs are now based on). The contractor was critical condition from the impact, but survived. In another event a Blackwater contractor took 8 rounds in a firefight not feeling a single round and only realizing it when he took off his vest. I owned one once and it fit well and distributed weight nicely without all the heat of the IOTV and even IBA for that matter. I will never believe the government on these kinds of debates where they are the primary wistle-blower and no end users have similar issues, knowing full well of the kind of corruption that these contracts often involve. The BW guys can buy any armor they want with their $260,000 annual pay, and they choose Pinnacle. I'm not saying the IOTV is complete trash, but the pinnacle has more coverage of rifle threat armor- where the IOTV has more inferior soft armor. The IOTV is so heavy soldiers wearing it who get 300's on PT tests suck wind at about 200meters into a run and feel like old men with a history of smoking. Mobility is important, breath ability for cooling and unrestricted respiratory function is too. If we'd been fighting a war and not handing out candy and trying not to hurt anyone for all these years, maybe we'd have a different situation where we didn't need more and more armor all the time to try to counter the IED threats. The tactics just begin to sound more and more like survival without much of another objective and I feel the IOTV and its 32 pounds are another of many reflections of that. My mind just wants to say there should have been a faster more efficient, less conventional way to finish business in Iraq. |
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Hey, I forgot about the whole "Troop" thing. I'm in an infantry company now, but I was in the 105th Cav up until about last July, I just got the 2 terms (troop and company) mixed up in typing.
As for the armor thing, I've read that in other places as well, not just Army times, but I can't seem to find the article on it. I tend to blow off Army times on it's take of things as well. (HK416 debacle anyone?) Lets stay on topic here, shall we?: Shotgun scabbards? |
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Please stop spreading BULLSHIT about SGLI not paying out cause you have the wrong armor, didn't wear your seatbelt, etc. quoted from a trusted source (Barracks lawyer). Here are the facts from the source.
http://www.insurance.va.gov/SGLISITE/SGLI/mythsRumors.htm |
| I have a Condor rig. I will just put down my thoughts. My condor rig is the compact plate carrier rig. And all my pouches are condor. I do not got to tactical clinics on a regular basis. THe quality of the puches ia good. The carrier it self is not bad but not top of the line. for me the gear ia great. It carries everything I need. I keep this rig for SHTF only. I figure that will be the only time I use it. Is the stiching like top end gear no. But I should hold up long enough for me to get the hell out of dodge. This gear is not ideal for a professional type operator, LEO, Millitary. But It would work. I have had mine well over a year and it seems fine. I paid about $40 shipped for the carrier alone well worth it. Carrier does have padding that helps air circulation and yes it will hold a plate, Need more info email me. |
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Dragonskin was banned because Pinnacle refused to provide samples to the Army for testing when the Army requested them. they continued to refuse to provide samples well after their armor had been banned. I don't know if Dragonskin works as well as Pinnacle claims and I don't really care. Pinnacle was given the chance to prove their claims and they turned it down. The Army Times had surprisingly good coverage of the entire debacle as it was going on.
As noted, the claims that SGLI won't pay if you are wearing nonissued armor are pure bullshit. |
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Hey, I forgot about the whole "Troop" thing. I'm in an infantry company now, but I was in the 105th Cav up until about last July, I just got the 2 terms (troop and company) mixed up in typing. As for the armor thing, I've read that in other places as well, not just Army times, but I can't seem to find the article on it. I tend to blow off Army times on it's take of things as well. (HK416 debacle anyone?) Lets stay on topic here, shall we?: Shotgun scabbards? I wrote a congressman with a few others on the armor issue. I agree the Army Times is an Obama supporting rag. They only say that pro-Obama shit because the admin POGs all buy the Army times almost on an individual basis, where the Infantry and other combat guys buy one and whore it out to a whole platoon. So the conservative soldiers who make up ~62-65% of the Army aren't the big customer. I'm pretty sure the 416 is vastly superior to the M4 (issues such as hammer forged barrel namely).. I'm sure the gas piston system is great, but I'd really like to see chrome lined, hammer forged barrels for double the accurate service life [if it actually equates to that like HK claims]. The real reason soldiers are tempted to buy cheap gear is knowing the economy tanked and Obama is driving it deeper into debt as fast as he can and taking away re-enlistment bonuses and trying to grab our health care away from us too. He knows the majority of us don't vote for him so he doesn't give two shits about us. The future got a lot less certain for guys having to come back and find work. |
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The real reason soldiers are tempted to buy cheap gear is knowing the economy tanked and Obama is driving it deeper into debt as fast as he can and taking away re-enlistment bonuses and trying to grab our health care away from us too. He knows the majority of us don't vote for him so he doesn't give two shits about us. The future got a lot less certain for guys having to come back and find work.
You gotta loosen up the Tin foil just a bit or your gonna be just nuts by the time your 50..... 
Troops buy cheap shit cause they don't know any better.. simple..and as far as the Pinnacle debacle... Murray was exposed as the sham he was and has dropped off in to anonymity. |
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