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Posted: 8/18/2008 4:53:32 PM EDT
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Do folks have any suggestions for belts for the first line? My only experience with belts was from my military days and the old standard web pistol belt. Every time I go to look at setting up a first line, I get confused by the different duty belts and molle belts out there.
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Posted: 8/18/2008 6:22:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AK47CBR]
[#2]
MOLLE works for me. It gives you good flexibility and realestate to mount pouches. Add some low profile suspenders and you can balance the load very well and the suspenders can be worn under a vest/chest rig.
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Posted: 9/29/2008 10:26:01 PM EDT
[#3]
New arrangements of 1st and 2nd lines.
 
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Posted: 10/1/2008 3:34:51 PM EDT
[#4]
So if you go the duty belt route for all your first line kit. do you wear it in the belt loops on your pants? Or do you wear a belt for your pants and then the duty belt over that?
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Posted: 10/1/2008 3:37:55 PM EDT
[#5]
Separate belt, not looped through your pants. Generally, a 2" duty belt won't fit through the loops anyway. |
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Posted: 10/1/2008 7:02:12 PM EDT
[#6]
For a really light weight 1st line/covert SHTF situation I have a couple of paddle holsters for my pistol and a paddle double mag pouch.
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Posted: 10/18/2008 12:24:24 AM EDT
[Last Edit: jcast141]
[#7]
My god my stuff has a long way to go before I get to the level of some of ya'll. This will be a place holder til I get some pics taken.
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Posted: 11/18/2008 6:55:28 PM EDT
[#8]
BTTT
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Posted: 11/18/2008 9:02:19 PM EDT
[#9]
Why did this get un-tacked?
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AL, USA
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Posted: 11/18/2008 10:21:11 PM EDT
[#10]
Originally Posted By AK47CBR:
Why did this get un-tacked? there is a new tool that he's going to use. bascially there is going to be one thread at the top of the forum (1st page) that contains links to all the good threads (this one, med pouches, quick links, etc) that will be located on the very last page of the subforum. and they will never go to the archives. |
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Posted: 11/19/2008 7:06:06 AM EDT
[#11]
Originally Posted By calicojack:
Originally Posted By AK47CBR:
Why did this get un-tacked? there is a new tool that he's going to use. bascially there is going to be one thread at the top of the forum (1st page) that contains links to all the good threads (this one, med pouches, quick links, etc) that will be located on the very last page of the subforum. and they will never go to the archives. This is correct. I just tacked a little information post at the top explaining what is going on, which is something I should have done last night. This thread and the others will stay in the forum rather than going to the archives, even if they are not used. If there is a demand for it or if we find that people are ignoring them and asking the same questions every couple of days again, I'll retack them, but for now, all mods have been asked to try to reduce the number of tacked threads in the forums. |
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Posted: 11/19/2008 6:39:06 PM EDT
[#12]
Gottcha. That's a good idea.
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MI, USA
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Posted: 12/10/2008 12:49:44 PM EDT
[#13]
How do you like that thigh rig? Who makes that drop let platform and holster? Thanks!
Originally Posted By AK47CBR:
New arrangements of 1st and 2nd lines. http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n259/RRACER300ZX/NewGearLayout00002-Copy.jpg |
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Posted: 12/10/2008 2:14:38 PM EDT
[#14]
It was a bit big for my liking. The panel is a Tactical Tailor large panel and the holster is an HSGI. If you're interested send me a IM maybe we can arrange something.
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GA, USA
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Posted: 1/5/2009 4:30:03 PM EDT
[#15]
Ak47CBR
What is the pouch that you moved from the side of your FAK to your drop leg? At first I thought it might be a knife- but I see the Gerber LMF- |
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AL, USA
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Posted: 1/5/2009 5:36:32 PM EDT
[#16]
it is a knife. don't know what type, but he's carrying like 12....
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Posted: 1/5/2009 7:39:36 PM EDT
[#17]
Originally Posted By calicojack:
it is a knife. don't know what type, but he's carrying like 12.... That you know of! |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 1/6/2009 4:50:07 AM EDT
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I can understand having a redundancy in your gear but doesn't defeat the purpose to have both knives mounted on the same piece of your kit? (your dropleg subload)
Just my advice- |
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Posted: 1/6/2009 6:56:23 AM EDT
[#19]
Originally Posted By Niquorice:
I can understand having a redundancy in your gear but doesn't defeat the purpose to have both knives mounted on the same piece of your kit? (your dropleg subload) Just my advice- In that case, one is a knife and the other is a strap cutter, so I think it is more a case of two knives with two different purposes rather than one knife backing up the other. |
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Posted: 1/6/2009 6:56:52 AM EDT
[#20]
Originally Posted By AK47CBR:
It was a bit big for my liking. The panel is a Tactical Tailor large panel and the holster is an HSGI. If you're interested send me a IM maybe we can arrange something. I dont see a seperate MOLLE holster listed on HSGI's site... source? |
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Posted: 1/7/2009 9:11:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AK47CBR]
[#21]
Originally Posted By Niquorice:
I can understand having a redundancy in your gear but doesn't defeat the purpose to have both knives mounted on the same piece of your kit? (your dropleg subload) Just my advice- One is a knife the little pouch is a webbing cutter. ETA: Joker beat me to it. |
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Posted: 1/7/2009 9:19:05 PM EDT
[#22]
what would the first piece to buy in 1st line. name and pic of each.
What are the actual names of each piece... |
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AL, USA
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Posted: 1/7/2009 9:51:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: calicojack]
[#23]
Originally Posted By elvia:
what would the first piece to buy in 1st line. name and pic of each. What are the actual names of each piece... kinda difficult to answer because it all comes down to what YOU want to carry. but here goes: ATS Warbelt, Ice Battlbelt, Tactical Tailor Molle Belt, OSOE Molle Sleeve popular brands are pretty much limited to three. ATS, HSGI and DBT popular versions include the sarfariland 6005/6005, HSGI Modular, Tactical Tailor Modular, Spec Ops Vapor holster w/ your choice of sleeve Anything else is completely subjective as some people put the following items on either their first or second line. Knives, Med Pouches, dump Pouches, gas mask pouches, general purpose pouches, strobe pouches, radio pouches, etc. that's about the best i can tell you for a first line without knowing more about your uses for it (.mil, .leo or .shtf). Will you deploy with it? will you use it in training classes? will it sit on the floor of your closet for the next 2 years? |
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Posted: 1/8/2009 9:03:37 PM EDT
[#24]
Calicojack is right. Although my first question would be what do you already have? Meaning, type of weapons, gear, then needs. If you only have a pistol then what you need is vastly different than some one who has an AR, AK, SMG, FAL, M1A...... you get the picture.
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Posted: 2/15/2009 6:54:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Currahee]
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I keep my 1st and third line in one of these ready to go for a match, trip to the range or zombie invasion.
The guns actually stay in the safe 
The rifle: CMMG Upper w/Phantom FH, EOTech 512 w/Michigan Industries BUIS, DPMS Lower w/ Bushy LPK, Cavalry Arms stock and forearm, Tapco SAW pistol grip w/spare parts and batteries, Brinkman Maxfire in a FOBUS mount, IDF sling First Line- The Pistol: glock 17 OD in Uncle Mike's belt holster First line pistol belt w/Blackhawk belt keepers W/2x pistol mags in Uncle Mike's pouch multi tool in generic scabard BOK (I'm looking to enlarge the BOK) boonie hat w/ear pro, lens cloth and some 550 cord The other pouch is an E&E pouch that I don't keep on all the time Second Line- Blackhawk low profile chest rig w/5 mags loaded with XM193, cleaning kit and mora knife Misc- Okely gloves (found them on the range, I usually forget to put them on) VooDoo tactical kneepads (don't use them much) 300 rnd SA battle pack my favorite ear pro muffs I need to get some new third line pics next time I repack it... but here I am wearing it medium alice w/camelbak 72oz carrier and the usual crap 
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Posted: 2/15/2009 9:50:49 PM EDT
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Here is my:
line one Line Two Line Three I am still working on improving each article as time goes on but they pretty well cover most everything. I will not keep the Line Two open very long, so if you cannot view it, its because I hide it again... I view Lines one two and three simply as: Line One is your basic uniform Line Two is your weapon support for your primary and secondary weapon Line 2.5 Modular Essential Bag (Piggy backs to pack but able to carry in line two) Line Three is your sustainment gear. Anything else added or taken away is modular to all lines. For instance if you need protective posture in Line 1, the you don the body armor etc and you always have your Primary weapon. Line Four is my BOV Line 4.5 is my Big Out Trailer Vehicle Support Line Five is my BOL Line Six Pre Stocks |
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USA
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Posted: 2/15/2009 10:00:37 PM EDT
[#27]
unable to access pics due to them being locked
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Posted: 2/16/2009 8:56:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RjSteed]
[#28]
Originally Posted By RjSteed:
Here is my: line one Line Two Line Three I am still working on improving each article as time goes on but they pretty well cover most everything. I will not keep the Line Two open very long, so if you cannot view it, its because I hide it again... I view Lines one two and three simply as: Line One is your basic uniform Line Two is your weapon support for your primary and secondary weapon Line 2.5 Modular Essential Bag (Piggy backs to pack but able to carry in line two) Line Three is your sustainment gear. Anything else added or taken away is modular to all lines. For instance if you need protective posture in Line 1, the you don the body armor etc and you always have your Primary weapon. Line Four is my BOV Line 4.5 is my Big Out Trailer Vehicle Support Line Five is my BOL Line Six Pre Stocks Which pics? None of the pics on my site can be locked.. I think I know the problem, it did not do this last time I linked it... |
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Posted: 2/16/2009 10:34:22 PM EDT
[#29]
excellent!!!!! very informative...... i am probly going to re organize my kits as a result of watching this!!
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Posted: 2/19/2009 1:49:23 PM EDT
[#30]
Originally Posted By fpd164:
excellent!!!!! very informative...... i am probly going to re organize my kits as a result of watching this!! So the links worked I take it? |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 3/9/2009 2:00:57 PM EDT
[#31]
So from what I understand this would be 2nd line and I attach the magazine holders to it? What about FAK or BOK or anything else like that?
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Posted: 3/15/2009 2:11:56 PM EDT
[#32]
That is correct. Your 2nd line is more of a sustained load out. For patrol or if you suspect a higher likelihood of an encounter or you're in a defensive posture but still need mobility. At least that's how I see it. You're 1st line would be the bare essentials of what you'll need in case you need to ditch you 2nd and or 3rd lines.
After TONS of trial and error this is what I've arrived at. 1st Line 
2nd Line 
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Posted: 3/15/2009 4:15:36 PM EDT
[#33]
What about using a LBV and web belt as a combination 1st line/2nd line setup?
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Posted: 3/18/2009 6:15:57 AM EDT
[Last Edit: protus]
[#34]
Originally Posted By 103:
What about using a LBV and web belt as a combination 1st line/2nd line setup? 
my "heavy" rig.. line "one" for this is: folder mini kit in my pants leg. drop leg with 1 mag in it. thats it. It aint my hsld super uber operator deal. Not made for that. My other set up is a TT mesh molle vest... with- 2x hsgi umps 1x prc125 radio pouch 1x 1qt canteen pouch 1x m4 pouch( holds, shears,CAT and usgi bandages) 1x grenade pouch- holds 4 inch Izzy 1x 6x6 med pouch ( holds the rest of my BOK and snivvel kit) 1x coldsteel peacemaker inside pockets hold maps, gloves bandana food chem lites 5x8 sil tarp back holds 3 liter bladder. on person line 1 for that rig is a ACT battle belt, with 2 x psitol mags 1x eagle drop leg 1x med/EE pouch ( for course work has extra BOK stuff, field use its used as EE pouch mini kit) also have a usgi warlord set up for mobile /tight space use... |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 3/26/2009 4:10:09 PM EDT
[#35]
Great thread.............I learn something new every day!
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Posted: 3/27/2009 10:56:18 AM EDT
[#36]
This is just my opinion of line 1,2,3....
They should all be separate/ modular. With the advent of gear, equipement and supplies these days even as apposed to 8 years ago. There are many options avaiable.... Your line one should allow you to be able to put on your line two, and your line one and two should allow you to put on your Line three and unass the area... All this without difficulty, and multiple readjustments. This is why I chose the chest harness I did, the thinner straps do not interfere with the straps of my pack and the openess of the chest rig on my back allows my back to breath bette then if I were wearing a vest fo some type...Sure when I wear a pack, I sweat. But who dosnt? Line 1 - is my basic uniform whatever that may be... Socks Underwear T' Shirt BDU Trousers BDU Blouse Head Cover Gloves Boots Water - Survival Straw Tool - Pocket Knife Nav - Pocket Compass Shelter - Clothing on my back and Line 1.5 Fire - Fire Starter Food - Line 1.5 Medical - Line 1.5 Signal - Line 1.5 Morale - Line 1.5 Line 1.5 Water Bladder added to above Scout with Essentials (Water, Tool, Navigation, Shelter, Fire, Food, Medical, Signal, Morale ) Line 2 Knee and Elbow Protection Individual Body Armor (Head and Torso) Chest Harness (Weapon support to include med kit to keep me alive until I can get to higher med) Line 2.5 Water Bladder added to above Med Kit added to above Scout added to above Line 3 Sustainment pack Scout attached Med Kit attached Line 3.5 Truck Keys added
I like to think the way I designed my kit is completely modular and allows me to re configure for the mission <<< (used loosly) I intend to accopmlish... I can easily and fairly quicky move certain pieces from line to line if I need to.... |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 8/3/2010 1:14:27 AM EDT
[#37]
Bump for a nice thread
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Posted: 10/30/2012 3:45:23 PM EDT
[#38]
Any updates to anyones gear?
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OK, USA
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Posted: 1/8/2013 12:08:27 AM EDT
[#39]
bump again
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Posted: 1/8/2013 10:19:52 AM EDT
[#40]
Figured I would contribute something to this thread since we seem to have a lot of new members.
My EDC or lite 1st line. This is also what I carry over here on my deployment sans weapon light. 
My primary 1st line. 
My primary 2nd line. 
My two 3rd line options. the camelbak on the right is a basic E&E bag. 
The contents of my basic E&E bag. I've added a few extra items but the basics are there; food, fire, water and shelter. I also can keep a G26 in the upper pouch on the pack. 
My heavier third line expands on the basic needs and can extend for up to 72 hrs. |
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Posted: 1/8/2013 11:29:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: bradpierson26]
[#41]
Originally Posted By stoner01:
Figured I would contribute something to this thread since we seem to have a lot of new members. http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh541/stoner011/IMG_5735.jpg My EDC or lite 1st line. This is also what I carry over here on my deployment sans weapon light. http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh541/stoner011/IMG_5736.jpg My primary 1st line. http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh541/stoner011/IMG_5738.jpg My primary 2nd line. http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh541/stoner011/IMG_5740.jpg My two 3rd line options. the camelbak on the right is a basic E&E bag. http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh541/stoner011/6B4E58D9-5A26-41A4-A20C-53016B3A81E3-751-00000229465E23BB.jpg The contents of my basic E&E bag. I've added a few extra items but the basics are there; food, fire, water and shelter. I also can keep a G26 in the upper pouch on the pack. http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh541/stoner011/CD16CFC4-72B5-476F-9A0C-586C2FCC20CE-751-000002293AD8837F.jpg My heavier third line expands on the basic needs and can extend for up to 72 hrs. GOOD STUFF. love my british racing green endura! Do I also spot a BM 520? 
Here's some of my stuff 
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Posted: 1/8/2013 8:49:07 PM EDT
[#42]
Originally Posted By bradpierson26:
Originally Posted By stoner01:
Figured I would contribute something to this thread since we seem to have a lot of new members. http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh541/stoner011/IMG_5735.jpg My EDC or lite 1st line. This is also what I carry over here on my deployment sans weapon light. http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh541/stoner011/IMG_5736.jpg My primary 1st line. http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh541/stoner011/IMG_5738.jpg My primary 2nd line. http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh541/stoner011/IMG_5740.jpg My two 3rd line options. the camelbak on the right is a basic E&E bag. http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh541/stoner011/6B4E58D9-5A26-41A4-A20C-53016B3A81E3-751-00000229465E23BB.jpg The contents of my basic E&E bag. I've added a few extra items but the basics are there; food, fire, water and shelter. I also can keep a G26 in the upper pouch on the pack. http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh541/stoner011/CD16CFC4-72B5-476F-9A0C-586C2FCC20CE-751-000002293AD8837F.jpg My heavier third line expands on the basic needs and can extend for up to 72 hrs. GOOD STUFF. love my british racing green endura! Do I also spot a BM 520? http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo56/bradpierson26/IMG_1678.jpg Here's some of my stuff http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo56/bradpierson26/IMG_1220_zps7818c976.jpg http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo56/bradpierson26/IMG_0956.jpg http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo56/bradpierson26/IMG_7672.jpg Benchmade 5000 actually. |
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Posted: 4/30/2018 10:57:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Currahee]
[#43]
Holy necro post.
I only shill my off site stuff when appropriate My article on line gear My article on line gear And there are links to my bitchute channel with videos on each line. |
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