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2/4/2007 3:38:55 PM EDT
www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123017545

Just thought I would post it and hear all the negative comments from the war hardened keyboard commandos!
2/4/2007 3:43:09 PM EDT
[#1]
I've been in some pretty intense internet combat, so I naturally have an opinion.

I think all the services should have the same pattern (like they did with BDUs).  The Marines currently have the best.
I don't see anything wrong with this new Air Force uniform though.

ETA: It is dificult to see what the colors are in this little photo.  I hope they didn't choose ACU colors.
2/4/2007 3:53:24 PM EDT
[#2]
That picture leaves much to be desired...

Is that a tiger-stripe pattern?
2/4/2007 3:53:40 PM EDT
[#3]

Quoted:
ETA: It is dificult to see what the colors are in this little photo.  I hope they didn't choose ACU colors.


Quoted:
Is that a tiger-stripe pattern?


You guys could try reading TFA...  

"The new uniform design is a pixilated tiger stripe with four soft earth tones consisting of tan, grey, green and blue. The ABU will have a permanent crease and will be offered in 50-50 nylon-cotton blend permanent press fabric eliminating the need for winter and summer weight uniforms. "

2/4/2007 3:55:37 PM EDT
[#4]
I agree with fluwoebers, US military forces should have the exact same combat uniform. Why each service requires it's own unique uniform is beyond me, it's just stupid.
2/4/2007 4:49:39 PM EDT
[#5]


I would think it would look pretty good if those were the exact colors used. But I have heard the actual uniform will have much lighter tones, very similar to the US Army ACU.
2/4/2007 4:55:22 PM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
I agree with fluwoebers, US military forces should have the exact same combat uniform. Why each service requires it's own unique uniform is beyond me, it's just stupid.


I agree. Service dress is where it's understandable to be different. Concerning the new ABU, I like it. I'm still keeping my BDUs though!
2/4/2007 5:13:08 PM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:
I agree with fluwoebers, US military forces should have the exact same combat uniform. Why each service requires it's own unique uniform is beyond me, it's just stupid.


Especially since we got shafted with the ACU
2/4/2007 5:15:28 PM EDT
[#8]
Pixilated tiger stripe?
2/4/2007 5:43:04 PM EDT
[#9]
height=8
Quoted:You guys could try reading TFA...   h...that
2/4/2007 6:29:45 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
I've been in some pretty intense internet combat, so I naturally have an opinion.

I think all the services should have the same pattern (like they did with BDUs).  The Marines currently have the best.
I don't see anything wrong with this new Air Force uniform though.

ETA: It is dificult to see what the colors are in this little photo.  I hope they didn't choose ACU colors.


I agree.  Everyone should wear MARPAT.  

It would make things A LOT cheaper on us tax payers, MARPAT works, just take out the EGA and add in little symbols for the other services.  

I hate this metro sexual I'm special, you're special, we're all just a bunch of special fuckers.

When I was active duty you were part of a team, not some special individual Army of One B.S.

2/5/2007 9:52:18 AM EDT
[#11]
I think the idea of everyone having their own uniforms certainly does nothing for OPSEC (Bad guy commando says, "Look over there, three AF guys, two Army guys, and a Marine--we should report this to someone.").  That said, I think the ACU really is the best uniform out of the three (four when the Navy gets its new uniform), but I am not entirely sold on the ACU camouflage yet.  Give it 10 years and we will all probably be back in OD again with khaki dress uniforms.  What's old is new again.
2/5/2007 10:14:37 AM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:
I hate this metro sexual I'm special, you're special, we're all just a bunch of special fuckers.


I believe the primary intent *IS* that exactly (We're special, not metrosexuality). Just like when the Army began issuing the black beret as part of the dress-kit, it's intent is to convey the sense of being part of an elite unit.
2/5/2007 1:30:48 PM EDT
[#13]
AF got rid of the blue in the ABU after quite of bit of service member consternation.  Colors are the same as in the ACU.  The best thing about the new uniform will be the lower maintenance (wash and wear, no ironing, etc).  Unfortunately, a number of other things that would have been good on this uniform were not incorporated (manchurian collar, arm lets on the back shoulders, arm pockets, etc)
2/5/2007 1:59:37 PM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:
AF got rid of the blue in the ABU after quite of bit of service member consternation.  Colors are the same as in the ACU.  The best thing about the new uniform will be the lower maintenance (wash and wear, no ironing, etc).  Unfortunately, a number of other things that would have been good on this uniform were not incorporated (manchurian collar, arm lets on the back shoulders, arm pockets, etc)


Retaining the BDU style collar is my biggest gripe about the upcoming ABU.  

I welcomed the rounded collar on the USMC and Army jackets.

The blazer/dress shirt collar looks goofy on a jacket to be worn in combat.  

Also, the ABUs that I saw last year in the sandbox were lighter in color like the ACU.

Hopefully the news image shown will be closer to the production model to avoid the same complaints that the ACU gets.


2/5/2007 11:12:07 PM EDT
[#15]
In the movie "Children of Men" the UK Army uses a digital Tiger stripe that looked really good.
2/5/2007 11:33:46 PM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:
www.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/060317-F-0000R-001.jpg

I would think it would look pretty good if those were the exact colors used. But I have heard the actual uniform will have much lighter tones, very similar to the US Army ACU.


Agreed - that scheme would be better for my area better than anything I've seen going right now.
2/6/2007 5:32:38 PM EDT
[#17]


AF got rid of the blue in the ABU after quite of bit of service member consternation.  


From the AF web page linked at the top of this page:



The new uniform design is a pixilated tiger stripe with four soft earth tones consisting of tan, grey, green and blue.


Yes, the AF canned the idea of the blue/grey non-pixilated tiger stripe pattern.  However, the new-new pattern does have blue in it.

Yes, the uniform will be more comfortable and easy to maintain.  What I don’t understand is why we couldn’t have an effective camouflage pattern as well?  The AF could have easily made a uniform that was distinctive, had all the new/neat features, and provided good camouflage properties.  Instead we end up with this crap.  What in the world is this uniform suppose to camouflage us from?  According to military moron’s web page when the USMC designed their new uniform one of their primary requirements was that the new uniform help save Marine lives.  When the AF designed our new uniform our only requirement was to look distinctive and have permanent creases.  

The good news for me is that being aircrew I will not have to wear that uniform while deployed.  Heaven forbid I ever find myself in a survival situation I will have camouflage appropriate to the environment, either AF provided or private purchase.  Because if I have to jump out of my plane I doubt there will be any uniform Nazis around.  

I’ve talked to combat controllers, SERE instructors, and combat WX that were involved in the wear test.  The AF did not listen to their feedback.  They wanted sleeve pockets, no lower pockets on the front of the uniform, slanted front pockets, and an effective camo pattern.  What we got were pen pockets on the lower arm, and pockets within pockets within pockets.  The pocket placement makes no sense when wearing body armor, or while wearing field gear.  I saw the SERE guys wearing it in the field and it stood out like a neon sign in the woods.  Look here!  Shoot ME!

However, I guess that since more than 95% of the AF will never leave the safe comfort of their air conditioned office, or nice safe airbase defended by hundreds of soldiers, this uniform is perfect.  This uniform screams AF because it emphasizes our corporate non-combat mentality.  It is more suited being worn in the MPF, or at a MAJCOM HQ than while on convoy duty, or in any of the battlefield airman career fields.
2/6/2007 6:32:20 PM EDT
[#18]
I read a public apology by Tiger Stripe Productions, who developed the uniform, directed to all Air Force men and women explaining that the uniform was the result of input from the AF leadership and to please not hold them responsible.




I wish the Army would apologize for the ACU
2/6/2007 7:01:38 PM EDT
[#19]

Quoted:
I read a public apology by Tiger Stripe Productions, who developed the uniform, directed to all Air Force men and women explaining that the uniform was the result of input from the AF leadership and to please not hold them responsible.




I wish the Army would apologize for the ACU


Haha I read that as well.

Kinda funny when they ask for feedback from the troops, then ignore it.

Maybe instead of using the polls from the combat arms guys they listened to the tech school trainees instead who said that they were tired of ironing, and that the woodland pattern was so "1995".


2/6/2007 8:21:56 PM EDT
[#20]
WORSE!!
2/6/2007 8:33:08 PM EDT
[#21]
Exactly why does the USAF need thier own uniform?
2/6/2007 9:19:45 PM EDT
[#22]

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Exactly why does the USAF need thier own uniform?

It's not just USAF, each branch is getting its own.
2/6/2007 9:30:10 PM EDT
[#23]
I like it, and I would mind wearing them.  Well I will be wearing them.
2/7/2007 2:40:32 AM EDT
[#24]

Quoted:
I like it, and I would mind wearing them.  Well I will be wearing them.


I thought I would be wearing them too, but with this force-shaping jazz I might end up wearing the aforementioned day-glo ACU sooner or later.

2/7/2007 11:11:14 AM EDT
[#25]
OK, I'll say it....

MULTICAM!
2/9/2007 5:38:35 AM EDT
[#26]
It's dogshit. I see it everyday. here in Djibouti the command cheif (E-9) is wearing it. ive seen it in deserts and sub-saharan grasslands. its as bad as the ACU which is to say it is fucking WORTHLESS. another great idea from the USAF.
2/9/2007 6:25:14 AM EDT
[#27]
BTW: Who makes the boots the airman is wearing in the first photo? They look perfect for my non-desert environment.
2/9/2007 7:27:25 AM EDT
[#28]

Quoted:
It's dogshit. I see it everyday. here in Djibouti the command cheif (E-9) is wearing it. ive seen it in deserts and sub-saharan grasslands. its as bad as the ACU which is to say it is fucking WORTHLESS. another great idea from the USAF.


The USAF (I'm sorry for saying this) has the worse taste in uniforms anyways. The dress uniform has undergone more changes than any other service uniform and with each new change they mess it up more.

The late 1950 and 1960 USAF uniforms looked pretty damn good and lately they morph so many times I couldn't tell you what they look like now.  

Now they screw you guys over with horrible looking camo patterns.  As if it wasn't bad enough you guys were using hand me downs from the Marines and Army.  

The USAF must have some weird gay guy doing their uniform consulting.
2/9/2007 7:52:06 AM EDT
[#29]
Hooray for beauracracy!
2/9/2007 10:47:07 AM EDT
[#30]

Quoted:
WORSE!!
i98.photobucket.com/albums/l262/wesmerc/navynavy.jpg

Anyone have a higher resolution version of that photo?
2/9/2007 11:27:02 AM EDT
[#31]
As 3-rd world as it looks, the digi-tiger actually looks like it'd do better than the ACU.
2/9/2007 6:35:38 PM EDT
[#32]

Quoted:
I read a public apology by Tiger Stripe Productions, who developed the uniform, directed to all Air Force men and women explaining that the uniform was the result of input from the AF leadership and to please not hold them responsible.
I wish the Army would apologize for the ACU


Here's the note from Tiger Stripe Products:


Airman Battle Uniform, an advanced BATTLE uniform?

Note to the ranks: When we started the uniform project in 2002, AF Leadership informed us that 97% of AF personnel did not need a Battle uniform but rather a barracks utility work uniform. Leadership ultimately received exactly what they asked for. The resulting uniform is that barracks utility work uniform.

The name actually does apply if one takes into consideration the Battle activity that AF Leadership says is the mission of the majority of today's Air Force. Advanced Battle features like easy entry slanted  chest, arm, and leg cargo pockets, elbow and knee padding pockets, improved neck closure to keep debris out and to protect from body armor, gusseted shoulders for ease of movement, and most importantly... an authentic Battle ready advanced pixilated Tiger Stripe pattern and colorway are not needed for the 21st century United States Air Force. Besides making the connection between the Air Force and the pattern; why is blue one of the pattern colors? Besides the sky or ocean, how often does the color blue occur in deserts, forests, or urban settings? This uniform does not seem to fit the definition of an advanced Battle uniform. This is a new style of Battle uniform.

We're sorry. We wished we had the opportunity to give you an authentic Battle uniform with all the relevant features plus an effective camouflage design. At the very least you could have had a uniform with a State-of-the-Art pixilated Tiger Stripe pattern and colorway.

The men and women of the Air Force have our undying support for the difficult jobs that are performed for our country. BATTLE uniform? Maybe it's just according to your own definition. You decide.

Tiger Stripes Products page  It's about half way down on the right in a yellow box.
2/10/2007 4:37:50 AM EDT
[#33]
God I hate the new uniform. It was not thought out at all, and all feedback was ignored.
There is so much wrong with it, I don't even know where to begin.
I will be wearing my BDU's until the last day allowed.
2/10/2007 4:51:35 AM EDT
[#34]

Quoted:

Quoted:
It's dogshit. I see it everyday. here in Djibouti the command cheif (E-9) is wearing it. ive seen it in deserts and sub-saharan grasslands. its as bad as the ACU which is to say it is fucking WORTHLESS. another great idea from the USAF.


The USAF (I'm sorry for saying this) has the worse taste in uniforms anyways. The dress uniform has undergone more changes than any other service uniform and with each new change they mess it up more.

The late 1950 and 1960 USAF uniforms looked pretty damn good and lately they morph so many times I couldn't tell you what they look like now.  

Now they screw you guys over with horrible looking camo patterns.  As if it wasn't bad enough you guys were using hand me downs from the Marines and Army.  

The USAF must have some weird gay guy doing their uniform consulting.



I was a Law Enforcement Specialist in the USAF from 83-88 and Cops pretty much were the only folks that wore BDU's.  EXCEPT for when I went to Osan AB, ROK, every damn person there was wearing them.  Never could understand why a clerk needed to wear cammies.  No disrespect to clerks who do not carry a weapon daily.
   But I agree that all the branches of the Military need to wear the SAME UNIFORMS!!!  
2/10/2007 1:54:57 PM EDT
[#35]

Quoted:

Quoted:
WORSE!!
i98.photobucket.com/albums/l262/wesmerc/navynavy.jpg

Anyone have a higher resolution version of that photo?



I looked for awhile with no results but I did find different angles and even a different pattern altogether.  just google it
2/10/2007 3:59:09 PM EDT
[#36]
Oh yeah, I am just loving the "Van Damme-oflage"  Maybe we can get Steven Segal, Van Damme and Chuck Norris all wearing this in their next stright to video bargin bin movie and it will be cool then!  No, in all seriousness though, who thought up this crap?  Who ever sees shadows running horizontally in nature?  This is why tiger stripes be it in their original guise or this reincatnated nightmare have always had problems blending in.  Of course this has been overlooked in this latest adventure of Chair Force follies!
2/11/2007 1:32:14 PM EDT
[#37]
Where is Robert McNamara and the Whiz Kids to set them all straaght- one uniform, one service rifle!
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