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Posted: 6/11/2006 9:55:54 PM EDT
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www.surefire.com/maxexp/main/co_disp/displ/carfnbr/376/sesent/00 I know this has been discussed once before but can find it through search. Anyone use these before? I notice only the EP3 has an actuall NRR. I was thinking a pair of these might be nice under my Sordins. 30 NRR earplugs underthem and I cant really hear people. Im not really comftrable with no earplugs under the Sordins and these seem like they are good middle ground. |
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When I was over in Iraq last year we got shipped a bunch of the surefire ear-pro protypes through adopt a sniper program. Work great, IED's, rides on UH-60's, all sorts of small arms fire, no hearing loss. Also allow you to hear normal conversations better than normal ear-pro. Comfortable too, I have seen them selling for $20 at a local store. If I did not already have a couple pair I would buy some. Do not use electric ear muffs so I do not know how they would work with them. They are my only ear pro when I go shooting now as a civie. |
| If you guys value your hearing, don't use JUST those plugs. 9 dB reduction is hardly anything when you're talking about shooting, even outdoors. You'd need around 28 dB reduction in order to really protect your ears. Even then, if you're not using muffs to get it, you're still risking damagel If you're hearing the sound through the exposed area behind the ear. That bony mass transmits sound pressures rather well, and still damages your hearing. |
Perhaps, but muffs are not on my packing list for a gun fight. And I like to trian as I fight. |
What, you mean deaf? There is no "perhaps." It is proven fact. You can choose to ignore it if you like. There is a point at which training as you fight is not practical. Do you train with other people standing downrange firing live rounds back at you, trying to kill you? That's how you're going to fight. But it's not practical. If you ruin your hearing, you will fight ineffectively later on when you are down one sense compared to your adversary. Not to mention having to deal with tinnitus, auditory loss, etc. They're your ears, but ask yourself this: What mindset, skill, or tactic are you improving by going deaf? Do you shoot without your eye protection on? You don't wear glasses 24/7, why would you train with them on? After all, if you train like you fight, you want to toughen your eyes up to debris, casings, and possibly KB's flying at your corneas. Try training with your brain, and maybe you'll fight using it, too. EDIT: And muffs should be on your packing list. They should be at your bedside with whatever blaster you choose to keep nearby. You may not have a chance to grab them, but if you do have a chance, they're there. Otherwise, get a suppressor if you're going to be stubborn about shooting with ear protection. |
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Funny thing Footrat. 3 IED's, 20,000 rounds + small arms fire, 1000+ 25 mm, serveal hunderd mortar rounds both ways, tank fire 5 meters from muzzle, several rockets, one damm close. (Edit to be honest I was wearing a CVC ,close enough to muffs, for all the 25 mm). And people down range shooting at me and trying to kill me. Last physical perfect hearing in the left ear, 10% loss right ear (I think it was the rocket it rang my bell a bit, or maybe the tank that hurt some). Edit: Muff's screw up my check to stock weld and zero with them. Others millage may vary from mine. Do not get me wrong all for regular ear pro and know several deaf people that did not use it who went through some of the above or worse. I have no desire to get in a flame war, and am rather suprised I do not have worse hearing loss. I do not beleive I am 8 feet tall and bullet proof, and I'm a big believer in eye pro, ear pro, knee and elbow pads and a huge believer in body armor. Also I do wear balistic eye pro when ever I'm awake, bad eyes and choose glass (normal looking but made with ballistic protection) over contacts. If muffs work for you by all means use them. 
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| Your inner ear nerves are made of better steel than mine, then, because a few concerts, a bunch of driving with the windows down, and a number of years playing in bands has ruined my hearing at 22. While I checked out fine during my last physical (about a week and a half ago), I have seriously noticable decreases in my hearing ability, ESPECIALLY when there is background noise. Voices are harder for me to hear, and I find myself watching lips even if I can hear them, because I can't understand them if there is a lot of background noise. When I'm in the truck, I have a decently hard enough time hearing patients as it is, but throw the rattling, bumping, beeping, sirens, and all sorts of other stuff in there with a patient who doesn't talk very loudly, or is altered and can't make clear words, and I've got some difficulty hearing. I take my hearing very seriously, because further damage now could mean a shorter career, or having to wear hearing aids. |
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