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Posted: 11/11/2002 6:54:24 AM EDT
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There seems to be a need for both a tactical and sporting shotgun for members of this board. What would be your needs in a shotgun to fill both requirements. What type of action, what brand would prefer, barrels, chokes, sights, optics, slings, shell holders, stocks, gauge, chamber, ect................................. Give your spec's. MIKE. |
| I was having the same delimma a while back. I ended up going with a Remington 870 "turkey" model with the 21" barrel and RemChokes. I did put the eight shiot extension on it and spray paint is with black enamel primer. Works great for upland birds and lowlife scum. |
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Vet, Funny that you would bring up a turkey gun. I have been looking at the Remington 11-87 SPS-T Super Magnum Camo RS/TG for a long time. It's a autoloader, 12 gauge, 3 1/2" chamber, screw in chokes, 21" barrel, camo stock with tru-glow rifle sights. The 3 1/2" chamber will handle super mag shotshells for geese, ducks, turkey and buckshot. The screw in chokes will allow every thing from skeet to X-full turkey choke and Remington makes a rifled choke tube for shooting sabot slugs. The 21" barrel makes it very handy and a oversized mag tube can be added for more firepower. The only draw back is the stock is a high comb style, good for shooting slugs and turkeys but not good for wing shooting. Again the tru-glow rifle sights are good for slugs and turkeys but not for wing shooting. Also fine for shooting whatever goes bump in the night. My brother and I want one but it lists for $930.00 and the best price we got was about $700.00 for it. MIKE. |
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Geen, You might be right about the Winchester X2 practical, the only drawback for me is no 3 1/2" chamber. You could start with a X2 in 3 1/2" mag and a 28" barrel and then add the practical barrel but you would lose the extended mag. Maybee you can add the mag too. But this is no cheap solution. A grand for the gun and at least two hundred for a barrel. Not cheap but a great gun. MIKE. |
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Hop, The good news is I found your gun. It's on GUNSAMERICA.COM, their inventory number is 976226720, made in Belgium Browning A-5, new in box, 12 gauge, three screw in chokes, and a 3" chamber. The bad news it's $800.00 plus shipping to your FFL. What you are looking for is more palm swell to accommodate your hand. Custom guns can be ordered with plam swell for left or right hand shooters. For stock guns you just have to find what you like. Looks like you did. MIKE. |
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I have a Remington 1100 special field, that was one of a limited run of 50 guns. It has the 21 inch barrel, but has the standard Remington stock instead of the english stock. I don't use this gun for tactical purposes, but it has potential for my wife. You could build a good set around a gun like that. Maybe do this; Semi Auto Synthetic stock 21" and 28" barrels, both ribbed Lots of choke tubes Maybe a rifled choke tube for slugs Turkey choke Sling swivles Sling Removable mag extension All in a plastic box like the ones Remington has |
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i would like to see a tactical 11-87 super magnum. with all the bells whistles and recoil control. also an integral weaver rail with a channel cut to use the bead site. i also think someone needs to make a new adjustable choke. say something that will screw into the remchoke system and with an extra full turn go from skeet to full. |
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Z, I think you have hit the nail on the head except two things. I would still want a 3 1/2" chamber and some sort of sights/ optics for the shorter barrel. I need accurate shot placement for spring turkey loads and slugs. Does anyone have any experience wing shooting with any optic sights? MIKE. P.S. Don't tell my wife that one gun can do it all. Right now I have her up to 27 and they still can't do it all. |
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3.5", you Turkey guys! Do you actually shoot the bird or does the concussion of the blast just knock them out and you pick them up? I have NO experience with 3.5", but I assume it would be slower in a pump, than a 3". For tactical I use 2 3/4 rounds anyway. I have always said when I finally get 3.5", I get in a semi-auto only. I have had a hastings fully rifled barrel since "83". It may be one of the first run of barrels they sold in the US? I have had a ton of optics on it. Best one for me is a zero power red dot or a 2x handgun scope. I need long eye relief because my mount is far forward on the barrel. They quit making it like that. This barrel is more accurate with 2 3/4 shells. For a removable saddle, I have always liked the B-square one the best. It is a full U shaped saddle that fully wraps around the top of the receiver. Saddles are good for quick configuration changes, I just prefer to have a dedicated slug barrel with site on it. I have come to the conlcusion that zero power red dots are best for me. I like the wider field of view and red dot in low light. It is highly accurate as long as you have done your work on the range ahead of time. Also zero power red dot sight is best if you have to use buckshot at close range on a running target (or turkey loads too). Using optics for true wing shooting, say quail on the fly, is a bad idea. Now you are aiming, that is bad shotgunning. For single kill shot, that is different. The question is what 2 barrels will your gun come with? That is why I was wondering about the 5 inch rifled slug tubes I saw a few years back. If they are any good and still available, you can combine that tube with a B-square saddle and you get 3 barrels out of two. As a matter fact, now I want to find one of those tubes for a Remington and try it. |
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BINGO! www.precisionreloading.com/choketubes.htm Scroll down half way, "Paradox sabot discarding chokes". Best of both worlds, a tube for sabot slugs. I knew I saw this before. This is a HAstings tube. I saw a few others out there, Remington, Colonial, and others, but I would buy the hastings first. |
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Z, I do not own a shotgun with a 3 1/2" chamber but I have shot my brother's 870 super mag and a friends Mossberg 835 extensivly. I talk my friends into buying guns that I want to try and use them, great idea huh! The recoil from the 3 1/2" is brutal and yes many people complain about the Mossberg short stroking. I think it is user error not the gun. You have to pull all the way back. The 3 1/2" 12 gauge is outstanding on long distance shots at turkeys. Kills them dead. But the patterns produced by the 10 gauge 3 1/2" are far better for shooting geese and such on the wing. This is because the 12 gauge produces long shot strings and patterns with gaps in it. A turkey is a stationary target and it does not matter that the last pellets out the barrel arrive a little later than the first pellets out of the gun. The 10 gauge being a larger bore size deliveres fuller patterns with no gaps. Years ago Weaver made a shotgun scope called "Quick-Point", it was made for wing shooting. I never used one and wondered if anyone did. The rifled choke tubes are ok, better than a smooth bore but not as good as a fully rifled barrel. Cabelas sells them. MIKE. |
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