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Posted: 10/8/2007 4:31:01 PM EDT
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Forgive me for my ignorance, but why does the Benelli M-4 only have a mag. capacity of 4 + 1? Would I be in the right to assume that there is some law regulating this too now? If there is no law regulating this, does someone sell a replacement mag. tube? With this in mind why go with the M-4 and not the M-1? Is it because Billy Bob must have the newest toy on the playground, or is the ARGO system worth the extra $ and fewer shell capacity? Thanks, D |
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D congrats on your purchase, you bought the best shotgun in the world, period! ATF has imposed their rule prohibitting the importation of benelli made full length mag tubes or 2 shot extensions anymore but they can be found for high prices. I paid $500 for my full mag tube for my 11707 version, but numrichgunparts has an american made tube for $100..my advice is buy it and get rid of the limiter and you also wont have to have a new spring or anything additional..plus it matches up color pretty nicely. you wont be letdown by the M4, mine will shoot incredibly well and digest everything shes fed. here is a pick of her... shes on top of course! |
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And the answer to your question is 5 in the tube, 1 on the carrier (so be it you only can do this upon first load or anytime there is not a round ready to go), and 1 in the chamber for a total of 7 rounds. I have not seen a modified bolt on a aM4, but on the M1 and M2, the fish and wildlife guys went thru the roof when they found out about this "floating" or "ghost" round and benelli had to modify the bolt by cutting a small groove in it. Also adding the extended tube would put you in violation of 922r, however many have done it,but is it worth a possible 10 years in prision if you are caught for those extra 2 rounds? Even if you buy the american tube (made by socom on here and the benelli forums) you must swap 4 more american parts to become compliant. There are followers on brownells, handguard by surefire, the other stuff I have not seen mass produced. Just beware of possible legal issues that may come with a extended tube. But I agree with militray police, it is a DAM fine gun. my porns: 
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What is the total amout of shells you could have in a M-4 and in a M-1 with no mods, and staying "with in the law". I thought all that Clinton stuff was done with, but apparently the Bush’s have done some damage to the law-abiding gun owning citizen. Thanks MrMilitaryPolice for the enthusiasm, but I have not yet bought one. I am currently in the process of elimination. I absolutely love the Benelli line of shot guns, but I want the most bang for my buck. If I could get a better set up on the M-1 then I will go with that, but if either one the guns will be a pain in the you know what I will go with a Remington 11-87 police. I just wanted to get feed back on your experience with the M-4 and the M-1. Thanks, D |
| well, i own both the M1 and M4 and until the M4 came along, the M1 was the baddest on the block. The M4 shoots so much easier and with less recoil b/c of the gas system v/s the inertia system of the M1. The M1 may not function reliably with accessories mounted on the gun b/c of the inertia recoil sysytem so be aware of that if adding an light, side saddle etc etc..no such probs with the M4 at all. I do own a 11-87 hunting gun and its terrific but i wouldnt go with that system in a tactical set up and thats just my opinion. You wont go wrogn with any of the ones you mentioned but definitely the M4 is the cream of the crop. |
| Raider, it is on and off of their website, and pretty new anyways. But here is a link to the first known install I have seen for it. On the Benelli forums a few guys have them.I just do not like the idea of grabing a 1913 rail and shooting a shotgun. Even with the plastic/ rubber protectors they can still cut into your hand. But even with this it only make 3 of the 5 pieces. If I had any sort of machinist ability in my body, I am sure I could fab up 2 more of the parts off of the list and sell thema dn their would be a decent market for it, but after modding the gun enough you still need to spend the 45-600 for the collapsable stock. I say no thank you. I will buy another gun for that. |
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Thanks spoolup, I purchased the collapsible stock when I got the M4 but frankly I don't wanna put it on if it's gonna get me in hot water. I'm just not sure what's legal and what's not. My plan was to SBS it but now I've seen ATF letters saying that 922 will not apply and letters saying that it will. I'm very confused. 
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THEY are even confused, there are several posts here and on the benelli forums that have scanned images of the letters received from the BATF that stated one thing, but the next letter stated something else (if I remember right, they added a part or 2). Thats why mine is virgin and shall remain that way. Besides it is cheaper? All in all I like it, I just wish that some agencies (not just the BATF but local LEOs, ect) in line so they are all on the same sheet of paper. I have known individuals who have been pulled over a traffic offense and made the officer aware that they have a CCW and it was on them, the officer took the ammo and gave him a speeding ticket. The UT AG, ran that LEO thru a grinder, and I believe thay are working a way to have LEOs trained on the CCW laws here in utah and the changes made aware via interoffice memos ect (sorry off on a rant). But yeah I know whaere your coming from. Even on the XD forums a few have sold the stocks just to be on the safe side. But its funny that youtube shows more videos of that stock than the typical solid traditional stock. |
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Is the M-2 subjected to the same laws as the M-4, are people having to swap parts with American made pieces to add the extended mag tube? I do like the gas system on the M-4, but I also like the idea of more shells in the gun. I currently own a Winchester 1300 Defender (which holds 6+1) and use this as one of my HD weapons. I want to get a semi-auto, but would like to get as close to the 6+1 as I can. Would I be dropping too much cash on a M-2 ($999 at a local sporting shop) or M-4 (didn’t bother checking $), or would I be better off getting myself an 11-87 police model? Thanks, D |
922r applies to anything imported after '89. For M1s/M2s, however, you *may* be able to legally add a US-made extension, as long as you also use a US-made follower. This is based off of my interpretation of an ATF letter posted in one of the recent threads on the subject - according to the letter, the M1/M2 series will have exactly 10 "imported parts" as per 922r with the aforementioned US mag parts - and 10 is the magic (legal) number. This is based off of the list given in the letter, as well as a statement later in the letter which said that a buttstock with a pistol grip as part of it (i.e., not separate, like an AK or AR, but one unit, like a Benelli) counts as only 1 part combined, not 2 parts separately. |
The M-2 I was looking at came with a +2 extension, would that be the 10th or 11th imported part? Does some one make a +4 extension? @ $999 would you all buy this or just go with the 11-87 police? |
1) 922r was enacted in November 1990 and applies only to guns imported after that date. Guns imported prior to that are exempt, but practically speaking they'd already be in the configuration you want them in to begin with. 2) While your logic is sound, you simply cannot use someone else's letter to legally justify your own actions or modifications. Letters not addressed to you provide no legal protection whatsoever. If you believe an M2 has X number of parts because you read it in someone else's letter, then you should write and request your own letter before you act. |
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Boy I hate these M-4 threads. I wish Benelli would make this gun in the USA and end this problem. Or import ban should be lifted. As always I have to caution everyone that we cannot talk about illegal modifications and that each person should contact ATF and seek their own legal council before altering their gun. A co-worker bought a M-4 last week. Great gun, shoots great but no shotgun is worth a trip to club fed or the state pen. MIKE (the pain in ass). |
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