Armory Sponsor
Posted: 5/1/2007 5:55:51 PM EDT
|
well, i'm a bigtime noob when it comes to shot guns but since i will be forced to sell my glock 19 due to a move to NY from CT. it will be almost a year before i'll be able to get my CHL in ny so for HD i am going to acquire a shotgun. first plan once i hit the tarmac in ny is training since i know little to nothing about pump guns and barely enough to operate one safely. basically i've been reading and went to a few shops but didn't harass them too awful much for info. just touching and looking at what's out there. more or less after reading on here it's down to the good ole' 870 or 500, but i still have a few questions. as far as sights, i dislike the little bead on the end of the barrel... more than likely due to lack of training but i'm prior service and can competently operate traditional iron sights and would just prefer to go that route. if i find a good deal on one, how much of a pain is it to add iron sights front and rear. they look glued on the barrel is that smith' work? are the holes there in the rear to screw on or do i have to have a smith' drill and tap those also? should i get something with the sights i want already, or can i have them changed easy enough? i can add all the farkles later but just want to pick out things that are more expensive to change at a later point in time than buying them as is. next, i'm moving to NY and have hoops to jump through. with these being the rules to the game what model/options would you spec out for a build for basic HD? this is just as far as the initial purchase, not so much the simple add ons but i would gladly accept any recommendations you might have. 22. "Assault weapon" means ....... (b) a semiautomatic shotgun that has at least two of the following characteristics: (i) a folding or telescoping stock; (ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon; (iii) a fixed magazine capacity in excess of five rounds; (iv) an ability to accept a detachable magazine; caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/nycodes/c82/a68.html thanks alot for all the info that i've already read! -Zac |
|
I do not understand the laws of the northeast and so cannot understand why you would need to sell your Glock...but...my advice is to look for an 870 with rifle sights if you are most comfortable with pistol type sight pictures. You can find them with "ghost ring" rear sights...basically a huge peep sight...but they will be more expensive and you may or may nort like them. While sights can, indeed, be added later you will find it is much less costly to buy the gun the way you want it to start with. If you want the ghost ring rear, you will have to purchase an 870 Police Model rather than the less expensive Express model, but the Express is available with either bead or rifle sights. I personally can shoot the bead sight as fast and accurately as any other with Buckshot, but with slugs the rifle or ghost rings do better for me. For HD I have little need for slugs, so my HD Police Model has a bead sight. I am sure you will get other good opinions as well...just stick with a standard type shotgun of good quality and try and save for a SureFire fore end light...it is worth the price for HD. Then buy ammo...lots of ammo...and learn to use what you have and you will be just fine. Good Luck! |
| well it's not just the northeast it's any state, i'm just moving state to state and it's going to be at least a year before i can even legally have my glock in the state of new york. another basic arms class, finger printing, waiting for aproval.... instead of leaving it in a friends safe for a year and be without a HD weapon, i just assume trade it in on a basic shot gun. a glock is a glock... i can get another one eventually once legal in the state of new york. |
|
Spam16v, I was in the same situation as you when I moved to this state from PA -- I simply brought my Mossberg 590 with ghost ring sights for HD until I was able to ultimately negotiate the NY pistol licensing obstacle course and legally transfer my sidearm. For those who don't know, without a NY State Pistol Permit, one cannot legally possess a pistol whatsoever in this state. That means that you cannot keep one anywhere in this state to include in a lockbox in your closet. Period. Once you go through the expensive and time-consuming hassle of obtaining your permit (week-end long training course, fingerprinting, four reference letters sent directly to the sheriff from persons who are required to put their names and addresses on each of your fingerprint cards), you then would be required to have your pistol transferred from out of state by an FFL to a local FFL, who then gives you a receipt that you take to the local sheriffs' office. The sheriff then records the serial number and re-issues you your permit card with the pistol information on it -- complete and total registration of the firearm. You then take the sheriff's receipt to the FFL, who runs your background, completes the transfer, and returns your firearm. Regarding the punitive process of NY State licensing, keep in mind that an application for a full carry requires a supplemental application to the one above (license for residence possession, employment, or sportsman) in which you are required to write two essays on what "proper cause" you have to carry 24/7 and why that cause constitutes a "special need" for a full/concealed carry permit apart from persons engaging in the same kind of "conduct, profession, or business." Good luck finding some kind of worthwhile precedence or guidance as to what that might mean for you -- case law includes many examples of persons whose applications were denied that one reading them would never have imaged their being denied. A judge then makes a decision on whether to grant you the privilege. Rant on: clearly, it should be absolutely obvious how this process deters criminals from acquiring handguns to be used in crimes in New York -- just ask anyone who skipped all this and bought it on the street before they jacked up someone who was unarmed, patiently waiting for approval to carry or someone who just gave up on the whole idea of legally carrying for self-defense at all. Lastly, I believe there is no reciprocity in NY for other state's pistol/carry licenses, so beware all you non-NY pistol licensed, decorated combat veterans heading up to Ft. Drum from out of state with your issued/personal sidearm checked in your luggage -- you will (and some Soldiers have been) arrested on site and prosecuted. Rant off. Welcome to NY, Spam16v. |
Opinions relative to one's experience -- I have found that the 590 is THE BEST for me and the sights that came with it have been, and are, definitely needed. Mileage and opinions vary, obviously. |
|
i just assume sell the glock in CT and bring in a shot gun from CT instead of having my pistol tucked away somewhere for over a year while i jump through hoops. what's the retail on an 870 police typically? i'll be finishing a side job this weekend so i'll have a little extra to throw on top of the Glock when it trade it in. dime a dozen... i'll get another one. |
|
Welcome to NY. if you prefer irons the 590 is the way to go IMO. That said for a house gun irons are a bonus only. You shouldn't expect to use slugs and nothing is realy any faster for buck then the classic bead. That said, my primary Mossberg 500 has LPA sights. My secondary 870 is getting ready to have a XO Big Dot Pistol sight installed on the barrel. Install a bead base, dove tail and mount. Finaly my "Comp" gun 11-87 has Wilson Combat/Trijicon Sights. I don't like how they adjust and wish I had put the LPA's on it instead. |
| it's more of a welcome back... i left at 18 for the army 21 days out of high school. grew up in Erie county south of buffalo in the snow belt. is the 590 available with iron sights? which models are available w/ghost rings, or iron sights. i've been doing quick google searches and 90% of what i find are bead sights on stock guns or tricked out folding custom guns. |
|
I hate to throw a fly into your ointment, but you might also consider a semi-automatic, to wit: Saiga-12 The ones sold here come with 5-round mags, and polymer, not wood, furniture, but based on the AK model, are reliable as heck! More info, see Saiga-12 Forums. Bill |
I bumped this thread for you. Good hunting. |
maybe down the road for a second or third weapon, but not right now. thanks |
Armory Sponsor